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Synapse Syndrome
Mitch said:
Heh, I'd say the same about this Macbook Air.
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Heh, I'd say the same about this Macbook Air.
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Moshe Goldfarb
And what happens when these kids get into the real world someday and start
looking for jobs or applying to college?
Are they going to list "I know Sugar" on their applications?
That will go about as far as listing Open Office.
You Linux freaks just don't get it do you?
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Steve Hix
Synapse Syndrome said:
No doubt.
Then again, you've lately been saying quite a bit that doesn't map to
reality all that well.
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Peter Köhlmann
Mitch said:
No, they don't
Depends on the definition of "real user". Usually, no, it isn't serious
enough. "Serious" hardware is competitive. Apple hardware isn't
Yes. Although religous nutjobs would feel insulted being compared to apple
users
Well, he should have perhaps made it clearer that apple stuff is highpriced
junk
Well, it certainly isn't even good enough to be properly landfill
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Moshe Goldfarb
It's their only defense.
The entire thing is laughable.
One Linux loony is claiming he can buy 3 Asus units for the cost of one Mac
unit.
Yea, sure he can.
And I can buy 10,000 marbles for the same price.
He will still be stuck with the limitations of that device, only he will
now have 3 of them.
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Lefty Bigfoot
I can see how it's useful for someone that is on the road
constantly and doesn't need a luggable workstation. If all they
need is lightweight basic computing, it seems like a decent
choice. If you need to do heavy duty work on it, it's a boat
anchor.
Jealousy is so ugly. I don't have an iPhone myself, having no
need for one, but I don't have any silly notions about ownership
of one implying any stereotypes for the owners.
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Tim Murray
And you will have all the marbles.
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Moshe Goldfarb
Which is more than most Linvocates can claim!
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Synapse Syndrome
REPOST. Sent a few hours ago, but the microsoft newsserver filters posts
containing
swearing, even though I cannot find any swearing in my post.
What are you talking about? How can any Mac advocate argue with a Windows
user and talk about the amount of software they have available? Is this
just some dumb reference for Macs being able to run Unix programs, and the
Intel hardware to run Windows apps by running Windows itself? When you are
talking about the amount of native software, nothing comes close to Windows,
and Macs cannot even run most of Macintosh software natively anymore, with
all the processor (Motorola > PowerPC > Intel) and OS changes (MacOS > OSX)
you keep having.
LOL. Compromise is what happens when you design an ultra-compact, and to
get the Macbook Air that thin, for posing fanboys, there have been far more
compromises than ever!
What is your definition of 'feature rich'? So what are these better
features you were talking about exactly? I can only see a higher
resolution, as the screen is quite a lot bigger.
The main feature of this Macbook Air is its thinness, and there are a lot
of common features missing in it. It is compromised!
My Thinkpads have more than one measly USB port. They have Firewire. How
could an Apple not even have Firewire??
They have high speed 7200rpm 2.5 hard drives. This Macbook Air has 4200rpm
1.8" drive like those used in iPods. Do you realise that? Thinkpad X4x
series had 1.8" drives, and they moved back to 2.5" for the X6x, as 4200rpm
drives are 'performance dogs' (quote from the Thinkpad division). I think
you will find that this is going to be the biggest criticism of this laptop
when it comes out. It's going to be s-l-o-w. SSD's are very very
expensive, but you'd have to get one of those if you want better performance
as you cannot even get 5400rpm drives in 1.8" size, let alone 7200rpm.
And this thread was started on the basis that it uses a processor especially
made for Apple. This new small form factor was apparently planned for
Penryn all along, according to the AnandTech link posted. It's just Apple
wanted the smaller size on the older Merom core, that has been out for ages.
And by the way, it took ages for Apple to move from the Core Duo to the Core
2 Duo once it came out. I think we can expect to see Windows/Linux PCs with
Penryn chips long before we see them in Apples, and Penryn is a major
advance in processor technology.
I'm not against Macs for any reason, but some of their fans are knob.heads
and this Macbook Air is just a toy, made for iPosers. Have you
pre-ordered one already then?
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containing
swearing, even though I cannot find any swearing in my post.
Gene Jones said:
What are you talking about? How can any Mac advocate argue with a Windows
user and talk about the amount of software they have available? Is this
just some dumb reference for Macs being able to run Unix programs, and the
Intel hardware to run Windows apps by running Windows itself? When you are
talking about the amount of native software, nothing comes close to Windows,
and Macs cannot even run most of Macintosh software natively anymore, with
all the processor (Motorola > PowerPC > Intel) and OS changes (MacOS > OSX)
you keep having.
LOL. Compromise is what happens when you design an ultra-compact, and to
get the Macbook Air that thin, for posing fanboys, there have been far more
compromises than ever!
What is your definition of 'feature rich'? So what are these better
features you were talking about exactly? I can only see a higher
resolution, as the screen is quite a lot bigger.
The main feature of this Macbook Air is its thinness, and there are a lot
of common features missing in it. It is compromised!
My Thinkpads have more than one measly USB port. They have Firewire. How
could an Apple not even have Firewire??
They have high speed 7200rpm 2.5 hard drives. This Macbook Air has 4200rpm
1.8" drive like those used in iPods. Do you realise that? Thinkpad X4x
series had 1.8" drives, and they moved back to 2.5" for the X6x, as 4200rpm
drives are 'performance dogs' (quote from the Thinkpad division). I think
you will find that this is going to be the biggest criticism of this laptop
when it comes out. It's going to be s-l-o-w. SSD's are very very
expensive, but you'd have to get one of those if you want better performance
as you cannot even get 5400rpm drives in 1.8" size, let alone 7200rpm.
And this thread was started on the basis that it uses a processor especially
made for Apple. This new small form factor was apparently planned for
Penryn all along, according to the AnandTech link posted. It's just Apple
wanted the smaller size on the older Merom core, that has been out for ages.
And by the way, it took ages for Apple to move from the Core Duo to the Core
2 Duo once it came out. I think we can expect to see Windows/Linux PCs with
Penryn chips long before we see them in Apples, and Penryn is a major
advance in processor technology.
I'm not against Macs for any reason, but some of their fans are knob.heads
and this Macbook Air is just a toy, made for iPosers. Have you
pre-ordered one already then?
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Alias
Moshe said:
My kid, who is in University, dual boots XP with Office and Linux with
Open Office and knows both.
Alias
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Gene Jones
Synapse Syndrome said:
Most Macs can run all software, only the Intel versions can't run the
few remaining Classic apps. There are tons more OSX software than
classic so it really doesn't matter.
It's the thinnest laptop with the largest screen, has a FULL keyboard,
the keys light up when the ambient light level gets dark, it has no
unneeded ports, thus battery life is longer than any laptop of it's size
and power. has LED backlit screen, keeps its value better than any other
laptop, runs OSX, etc, etc.
No, you are thinking of "Legacy" ports. Do you really need an ethernet
port nowadays? nope! an optical drive? nope! those are all 1980's ports
that Apple made standard, now they are taking them away just like they
did to the floppy which they brought the world in 1977. Trust me, every
laptop in 10 years will work just like the MacBook Air, you are just
trying to prop up a dying platform (window/linux)
And could you please explain why you would ever need a USB port?
Everything is wireless now (in the modern Apple world) but yes, if you
still live in the (old legacy Windows world) you can't understand what
I'm saying.
what is this?
http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/wireless.html
what is this?
http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/
what is this?
http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html
you don't need firewire with "wireless migration", gosh, you sure don't
know what is going on in the modern computer world!
http://www.apple.com/macbookair/wireless.html
so you admit you don't understand how OSX works? programs load into RAM,
they don't load off the hard drive but what? maybe once a month? Do you
even use a Mac? Sounds like not.
Yes, when SSD's come down in price it won't matter anyway. So wait a
year if you aren't ready to join the modern world.
Yes, but Apple was able to help Intel Engineers to get to the small chip
size. And when you feel the bottom of the of the MacBook Air, you'll be
shocked at how cool running it is. Apple and Intel did it again.
I'm not a fan of Apple, I just like quality products, you don't and I
don't hold that against you. Sure, I've actually have 6 on order.
How about you?
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Alias
Gene said:
The Mac Air is nice, I admit. I just watched the video. I wouldn't mind
having one
The wireless features are really cool. I would connect aDVI TFT Monitor to it, though. 13" ain't much and I don't travel much
and when I do, it is without *any* computers.
Alias
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StormDrain
Synapse Syndrome said:
It's easy. Mac's start off loaded with software. Everything from a
full blown set of developer tools to an SQL database to a full featured
text editor (will spell checking), dictionary, thesaurus plus all the
unix goodies (grep, bash etc). These all run under a robust UI with
integrated system services and a plethora of GUI functionality all
accessible through one button on the mouse.
All Tier 1 Mac OS X apps run natively, these include apps used daily by
professionals as well as science apps, games for kids, just pick a
category. We can also run Tier 1 Linux/UNIX/OSS whatever apps: MySql,
Gimp to name a couple, on the same system. If we need to, if we
absolutely have to, if our lives depend on running that oddball windows
app we can do that too. One system, thousands of apps many of which are
designed for different systems.
The ability to run software is why I bought this machine several years
ago. Forget it dude, you windows guys are so far out of your league you
don't even know it.
<snip>
--
SD
"This post was proof read by Mac OS X Leopard
running on a G4 933 with a little more than 700
things of ram.
"
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Mitch
Moshe said:
He must be. He still doesn't understand that showing a couple screen
shots of Beryl is _not_ advocating Linux, and certainly not a specific
product recommendation.
Of course, his poor-attitude spelling and extreme exaggerations do the
same. I would swear if a product he didn't use had 1 percent less
performance, he'd call it crap. Heck, if it had ten percent better
performance, he'd call it crap as long as it wasn't what he used.
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Mitch
You got to remember these arguments are addressed towards appil retardees
conning the public out of money and better technology.[/QUOTE]
How are Mac users conning the public out of money?
How are Mac users causing any slower adoption of tech?
Isn't this a complaint directed better at nearly ANY other company?
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The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly
Synapse said:
Agreed. I love Thinkpad xseries too. I have an x41.
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Hadron
Kier said:
Poor Kier. Always counteraction with no "action". Come on Kier. Instead
of getting your panties in a wad, do some real advocacy.
What SW do YOU use that is better on Linux than on XP?
OSS that is.
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Hadron
Moshe Goldfarb said:
No. The core kernel and the architecture is excellent.
The apps generally let it down.
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Snit
Which apps have let you down? What were you doing with them?
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Synapse Syndrome
"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
I have an X31 and an X40. I have been planning to get a X61 or X61s, but
now I think I'll wait for a Penryn powered X62 (or is it going to be a new
design, X70?).
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Agreed. I love Thinkpad xseries too. I have an x41.
I have an X31 and an X40. I have been planning to get a X61 or X61s, but
now I think I'll wait for a Penryn powered X62 (or is it going to be a new
design, X70?).
ss.