Old issues never die, just fade away

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Guest

Hi everyone,

This thing about probs pasteing pics in outgoing OE6 emails will never go
away. Is it just a combination of OE6 and SP2 bugs or what?

Sorry for maybe too much detail. Complaining that I've given too much info
or that you don't much like my writing style won't help. I'm too aware of
both as well.

There must be some file storage related and/or file requirements absolutely
necessary for sending jpg's and gifs using XP Home SP2 w/IE6 and OE6 e-mail
handler. What one or both are, I'm certain will resolve the issue of 'one or
more pictures çould not be found'.

As I recall, used to be I could cut and paste any and all pic's/gif's into
e-mails no prob, even disregarding size and/or where the file was/had been
stored at, but I started encountering probs about a year ago. I'm certain
there's an explanation, but where? Hello Bill', are you listening (obviously
not)?

About half the time, images I try displaying in the e-mail body either by
paste, inserting or even formatting as 'background' produce no displayed
image (nothing), and using background>picture more often produces MS's red
'x'. At least for now anyway, the problem images are always the same ones.

Many of my pasted jpg/gif images (of varying size and file directories)
either don't display or when they do, they're represented by the red 'x', and
thereby fail to send as I'm getting an OE message saying "One or more
pictures in this message could not be found. When you send this message these
pictures will not be included, are you sure you want to send this message?".

Whatever message there should be (linking users towards resolving the
obvious issue) neither OE or MS has ever offered much if anything abour it
(mash-grind). It "almost" seems like OE6 will only find pasted files coming
from somewhere specific, but I'm not actaully finding that to be the case.

But since location shouldn't be an issue and it seems I've also ruled out
byte and frame size as being any issue (even though the messaging prompts
indicate a locating issue). And as I'm not seeing any other means to force
an image to display. Neither are we able to force Bill' to fix the problem
as well it seems.

So that leaves us with only the workarounds to try and I think I've tired
them all. Except for one method, problem images all but completely fail to
display in OE6. Ways I nearly succeed in displaying them is by pasting
imagery into the e-mail body, but it still often produces MS's red 'x' and
upon clicking send, again the less than helpful OE message ('could not
locate') appears.

I think I've tried just about everything, copy and pasting striaght from
'legitimate' folders (those displayed w/icons) such as "My Documents" and "My
Pictures" folders.

With gif images, what of mine that do display, are in tiles! I tried the
same thing (using a jpg from another non-iconned sub folder of the same
icooned "My Pictures" folder), but nothing at all appears and when clicking
send, it results in the 'çould not locate' message, so I know it pasted even
though I can often see no other indication that it did.

Having tried to paste, insert and even the use the background feature as a
means of displaying problem images from just about every conceivable folder
that OE6 might recognize (locate) them in (i.e.; C:\Program Files\Common
Files\Microsoft Shared\Stationery, C:\Windows folders, C:\Doc's & Settings\My
Documents\Me\My Pictures\etc. and C:\Documents and Settings\All
Users\Documents\<shared pictures> My Pictures folders), but almost everytime
I get either nothing or the red 'x' and in both cases it results in the same
OE 'çould not' message.

A few pictures that do display in my e-mail drafts will send, but I can't
that stands out between those that will and won't. At least in one instance,
a pic that was e-mailed to me and once I could e-mail, now won't, nor does it
seem to matter where store that jpg or even if I change it's name, it just
refuses to display in an e-mail. Same for other problem images, where
they're stored doesn't seem to matter.

And as I don't recall any pics that I myself took that won't display and
send, I'm left to looking at possibly the file folder's thumbs as being the
issue, but I'm not sure they relate to how OE6 finds images.

I've even tried using OE6's "Stationery" feature (displays MS's own htm
pictures) by first pasting various sizes of jpg's and gif's into the
Stationery folder, but none succeed in displaying them in my e-mails (i.e.;
email toolbar's Format>Background>Picture feature). Of minor note, pasted
jpg's (oddly my 'xxx.jpg' files appear as 'xxx.JPG' in the "Stationery"
folder) and on at least one occaision, somehow the pasted file's size
mysteriously changed from it's 200 bytes to 0.

Way too many jpg's and gif's simply refuse to display either at all or they
result in the red 'x' and clicking send produces the 'could not locate'
message. Even comparing their byte and frame sizes against the will(s) and
won't(s) aren't telling me anything. Some just absolutely won't paste,
insert or even format onto my e-mails despite a lot of effort (sorry).

When I could/can, I've experimented by sending myself an e-mail to my yahoo
account used to forward back to me using YPops, (but my YPops isn't fwrd'g my
mail "again", that annoyance comes and goes leading me to believe it's a
server thing), but when YPops is working, whenever I try sending the
'nothing' displayed pics and/or the red 'x' pics, a lot of the time all I see
in the returned e-mail's body is either nothing, the same red 'x', or I
occaisionally do succeed in figuring out a way to viewing the problem pics.

What's so discourgaging is the fact that program help applications are more
apting called helpless, nor does MS, Windows or OE provide any ready
source/link for identifying the 'nothing' or red 'x' issue, plus googling, MS
knowledge base searches and even forum posts aren't helping crack this thing
either.

Of course I checked out ways that images are intentionally blocked, ref.
MS's article 291387, but that led nowhere as no matter what I change in my
IE6 or OE6 settings seems to resolve my red x and/or lack of displaying a
pasted pic. And nope, it's not a "read only" issue. I do read some about
malware embedded in pics, but besides our customary scanners, what can a user
do to analyse them?

I've tried for a long time to solve this puzzle. What surprises me is that
more people aren't complaining. At least I can still send some pics and
those I have issues with I can attach, but it won't surpise me too much if
they're next.
 
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LuDean Marvin

I personally have not had this problem before. A friend of mine had a
problem with PhotoShop files failing to load, and it exhibited the same
apparent random pattern that you are experiencing. In that case, some
programs could open them while others could not. My best guess is that the
program or device that produced the photos are in some way corrupting your
images. Check to see what program/device oringinally produced them (or that
may have edited them) and see if there might be a correlation there.
 
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Fishface

Sorry for maybe too much detail. Complaining that I've given too
much info or that you don't much like my writing style won't help.
I'm too aware of both as well.

Well, too much extraneous information, perhaps, but they do say a
picture is worth a thousand words! From where are you cutting the
files, Windows Explorer? I didn't see that you mentioned that, and
I don't quite relish the thought of reading through all that again...
 
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Fishface

LuDean said:
A friend of mine had a problem with PhotoShop files failing to load,
and it exhibited the same apparent random pattern that you are
experiencing. In that case, some programs could open them while
others could not.

Someone with a Mac sent me a JPEG created by Photoshop CS2 (Mac)
and it would not display in OE or IE on a Win2k machine. IrfanView
was able to open it, though.
 
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Guest

Assume it's explorer. I almost always right click em, click copy and paste em
elsewhere.

Maybe users might avoid any issues by using "send to" or some other means?

Anyway, one pic I really like, I never even changed it's name except for a
copy I have in another folder.

Despite that pic having been emailed me originally (w/both of us using OE6),
neither original or copy will display in today's OE6 e-mail body.

When running Win98 I had to do as you mentioned (IrfanView), but the prob
pics aren't necessarily those. But glad you mentioned it, as at least a few
prob pics might be a result of previous irfanView conversion.

Does irfanView still use the gaudy red cartoon like icons? Even though
likely there's a way to prevent all pics from being converted during
irfanView's install, I was kind of ticked it my install resulted in that
being done.

I seem to even recall some friends had issues trying to view my e-mailed
IrfanView pics.

No problem like an old problem.
 
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Fishface

Assume it's explorer. I almost always right click em, click copy and paste em
elsewhere.

That method doesn't work at all in Win2k, which I'm running at the moment.
Maybe users might avoid any issues by using "send to" or some other means?

There is a "Send To Clipboard as Name" Powertoy which I use quite a bit.
www.microsoft.com/Windows95/downloads/contents/WUToys/W95PwrToysSet/Default.asp
These Powertoys were made for Windows 95, but most work with XP.
The "Send To X" Powertoy does mess with one thing, which is easily restored:
http://groups.google.com/group/micr..._frm/thread/28e2804384c0eaf8/44cf09a721c3eb18

I'm pretty sure you SHOULD NOT install the CD AutoPlay one, though!
I don't know if using the "Send To Clipboard as Name" instead of what you
are doing would help, though. If you drop one of the files onto Internet
Explorer, does it display?
When running Win98 I had to do as you mentioned (IrfanView), but the prob
pics aren't necessarily those. But glad you mentioned it, as at least a few
prob pics might be a result of previous irfanView conversion.

I wasn't implying that IrfanView was the cause, but the solution for me to view
the file.
Does irfanView still use the gaudy red cartoon like icons? Even though
likely there's a way to prevent all pics from being converted during
irfanView's install, I was kind of ticked it my install resulted in that
being done.

Yes, but I never associate any files with IrfanView. I do have a shortcut to
IrfanView on my SendTo menu, though.
 
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Guest

Fishface said:
That method doesn't work at all in Win2k, which I'm running at the moment.

I'm running XPHomeless'.
If you drop one of the files onto Internet Explorer, does it display?

No issues w/pasting anyewhere but in OE6.
I wasn't implying that IrfanView was the cause, but the solution for me to view
the file.

I understood what you were saying, I just was saying that possibly pics
having been
converted using IrfanView might cause issues when you cease using it and
they're
reconverted. And I can't confirm if any of my old IrfanView pics
experienced any
issues after I converted them back to 'windows' or 'explorer' as I had so
few pics back
then and I don't see any issues with them as I'm not trying to e-mail them.
Yes, but I never associate any files with IrfanView.

I only meant to say that if IrfamView users don't want "all" associated
files actually
converted during the install of IrfanView, they need to 'avoid opening the
corral' by
not telling IfranView which files to associate during the install, as 'the
cows do get out'
by the user failing to realize what will be done by 'leaving the gate open'.
 

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