OEM XP

[kurttrail]

The OEM who installed the software is bound by this license. It is on
the seal when you open an OEM one pack, three pack, or thirty pack.
As the OP is the OEM in this case he is bound by the license. Now
what constitutes a defective motherboard and how long the warranty
is, is also up to him. It just may be that the fact that it doesn't
accept the latest graphics card or CPU makes it defective in his mind.

I don't believe the SBL states the mobo is the computer either. Some
password-protected website says it, I think, but don't know, since it is
password-protected.

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[kurttrail]

Sorry about the password protection.. Although anything stated by
microsft isnt legally binding unless it is in the EULA.

"Thank you for your post, Michael. Generally, you may upgrade or
replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer
and the customer may maintain the license for the original Microsoft
OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or
replacement of the motherboard. Unless upgraded or replaced under
warranty, if the motherboard is upgraded, then a new computer has
been created and the license of new operating system software is
required. The original Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot
be transferred to another computer."
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm

I never said the OP was bound by this. I actually said he is allowed
to do this.

LOL! The MS Licensing Team can state the sky was yellow and the sun was
blue, but that doesn't mean a goddamned thing. MS neither defines that
the computer is the mobo in either the EULA or the SBL, so that means
MS's mobo is computer nonsense is just wishful thinking, and NOBODY
agreed to follow MS's wishful thinking.

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[kurttrail]

If you cannot understand/comprehend/agree to the System Builder's
and OEM licensing agreements, you are better suited to puchase
a "Retail Version" of Windows XP rather than an "OEM Version".

Another example of Carey shoving his head up his ass when confronted
with the truth. Carey, if you cannot deal with reality, suicide is
painless, and you are better suited to that end.

http://carey.microscum.com/

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[Alias]

If you cannot understand/comprehend/agree to the System Builder's
and OEM licensing agreements, you are better suited to puchase
a "Retail Version" of Windows XP rather than an "OEM Version".

Polly want a cracker?

You're wrong, Carey, admit it. You'll feel better by being honest.

Alias

 

[Jonny]

Am still waiting for someone to define "computer" as per MS in the OEM EULA.
One's opinion of "computer" is not acceptable. Once this happens, all the
opinions about it can stop.

I do know that a "buy with hardware" OEM XP install Cd will install as many
times as needed, but will work on only one PC at a time. Activation is
required. This incudes swapping motherboards of much different assets, bios
software, chipsets, and/or manufacture. Reality check performed numerous
times. Whether "illegal" or not has not been proven to my satisfaction.

Everyone's opinion in this matter is respected by myself, irregardless.

 

[kleuske]

OEM versions of Windows XP have limitations.
That is why they cost less than Retail Versions.
If you install an OEM version, then decide to
upgrade to a different motherboard, then the
OEM license is no longer valid and you'll need
to purchase a new copy of Windows XP. That
is not the case with a Retail Version.

OEM versions of Windows XP:

-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
-- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
-- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
-- only hardware component you cannot change is the motherboard model.
-- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
-- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller".
-- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.

Best Advice: Purchase a "Retail Version" of Windows XP!

Best advice: Dump that shitbox OS and install linux instead. No more
EULA headaches and you can upgrade your computer w/o extra cost. Saves
you a bundle.


Regards,

Kleuske.

 

[Gordon]

Earlier this year i bought a copy of xp home OEM to go with my new
hand built pc. When i bought it (legally) the guy in the shop said
its just XP only not in a box. Now im being told that with my generic
oem copy i can only use it on this computer with this hardware
config`. So what happens when i have to upgrade, say, my motherboard?

This whole thread is an ABSOLUTE JOKE - what on earth does a
supposedly-reputable company like Microsoft think that discussions like this
make it look like? Stupid that's what!
This is exactly the sort of arrogant treatment of its customers (victims?)
that actually PROMOTE the cause of piracy. Any Eula should be absolutely
specific as to what you can or can't do with a particular licence, with a
legal test in court if neccesary.

Sheeeesh!

 

[GregRo]

Uh...that means the online store has it in stock...Have you ever purchased
from an online store..They always say in stock..Ingram Micro for
example....They dont have a physical store that I know of but they have
almost everything "in stock" at a warehouse..Wal-Mart doesnt sell the OEM
only retail...I just called them.

The online store does sell it.

Greg Ro

 

[GregRo]

Certainly if you change or add a minor component in the computer (a diskette
drive, for example), the result ois not a different computer. The
motherboard, however, is a different story, and you run the risk that if you
cahnge the motherboard and try to activate bytelephone, the Microsoft person
on the other end might refuse you.

I thought the counter reset after 120 days?




Greg Ro

 

[Gordon]

I thought the counter reset after 120 days?

Supposedly, and there are other glitches as well. I activated the same copy
of XP (using the same activation key) on two different machines, one a
Toshiba Tecra laptop and the other an Acer desktop, over the internet,
successfully, within 5 days of each other.

 

[Guest]

In-stock and available for online purchase only!

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/sear...ws+xp&ics=20&ico=0&Continue.x=34&Continue.y=9

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

 

[Guest]

In-stock and available for online purchase only!

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/sear...ws+xp&ics=20&ico=0&Continue.x=34&Continue.y=9

 

[Alias]

In-stock and available for online purchase only!

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/sear...ws+xp&ics=20&ico=0&Continue.x=34&Continue.y=9

I can purchase generic OEMs without any hardware all day long, available
online or in person.

http://www.appinformatica.com/

or

http://www.pcbox.com/catalogo/catalogo/default.asp?lan=es&cnt=es&familia=29

or

http://www.aplimatica.es/spa/subcategory/INFO>60025/INFO>25.html

Remember, Carey, this is an international newsgroup, not a USA
newsgroup. We don't allow WalMart in this part of the world.

Alias

 

[Kerry Brown]

I don't believe the SBL states the mobo is the computer either. Some
password-protected website says it, I think, but don't know, since it is
password-protected.

With the new way OEM Windows product is sold the end user should end up with
a one pack which has the OEM license printed on the outside of the package.
This means they should be aware of the issues regarding OEM support,
motherboard replacement etc. There is much confusion as a lot of old stock
still exists and there is a lot of high quality counterfeits around as well.
I believe that with the new packaging at least some of the confusion will go
away. It will probably take a year or more before all the old product is
gone. It will probably take longer than that before all the OEM system
builders realise there has been a change No offence to the many system
builders here but I find a few small OEMs to be some of the most
curmudgeonly people in the industry. If you attend any MS OEM events and
spend time talking to people at random it is amazing how many of them are
close minded and resistant to change. Strangely enough it may be the
counterfeiters that lead the way. If they change their packaging then a lot
of the stuff bought on eBay or at flea markets will have the OEM license on
it. They won't have to worry about selling some hardware with the OEM
software to pretend they are legal.

Kerry

 

[chrispsg]

This is simply a discussion on different opinions how people percieve the
EULA. I agree that EULA should come right out and say what can and cant be
done with the license..Tell that to the people that to the MS legal
department and the people who draft it...

I dont think the EULA causes piracy...People that want to make a buck and
people that dont have the buck to spend or dont want to spend the buck are
the cause of piracy..

Have you ever heard someone say "I dont like the EULA...So I am going to
steal your product."

psg

 

[Steve N.]

In


Steve,
Thanks very much for the compliment and pointing out that the information is
for informational purposes only.

You're welcome

IMO As far as I can see, anyone purchasing a generic OEM and building their
own system, they are the OEM and can dictate what upgrades they will or will
not support. This seems to be the defining logic from the OEM system
builders statement. They leave it up to the generic OEM as to what they will
support with the suggestion the motherboard is the defining component.

People who buy generic OEM releases do not have access to the
information that is purported to say that, before or after the time of
purchase, even by following links provided elsewhere in this thread and
the EULA does not define it at all, therefor it's a moot point.

According to what you're saying and what I read in the available OEM
Builders License, the end user who installs their copy of the generic
OEM purchase becomes the OEM in this case and it is _their_ decision to
make whether a motherboard upgrade or replacement constitues a new
computer or not along with everythng else concerning support of the OS.
Therefore, it is not the decision of some Microsoft rep to make if/when
it comes to phone activation.

They
must also explain any upgrade is approved by the OEM if prompted for
activation.

This is rediculous. It's a contradiction as indicated above.

Branded OEM versions are different and the OEM should be consulted before
upgrading a Mother Board.

Granted.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Liar. Read the frikking page, it says "In stock." Do you even know what
that means? What a ditz! Learn to read, you pathetic idiot!

Steve

I was wrong about it being in stores, I admit it.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

No it doesn't. It means the retail outlet (i.e. physical store) has it
in stock. About a month ago it said it had to be ordered only online.



No I haven't.



Tell you what, I'll go down to my local Wal-Mart store and see for
myself and then post back with the results of my investigation.

I was wrong, I admit it. It is online only.

Steve

 

[chrispsg]

I was wrong, I admit it. It is online only.

Steve

Everyone is intitled to a mistake now and then..That discussion was a little
off topic anyway.

psg

 

[kurttrail]

I was wrong about it being in stores, I admit it.

Steve

And that's the difference between you and Carey. You are man enough to
admit to making a mistake, and Carey isn't.

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