ntfs wont defrag some files

R

R.P.

for some reason XP pro refuses to fully defrag the volume (could not
defragment some files see details) but the 'details' list is empty.
Assuming they were system files that were fragmented I used a system file
defrag on it and it says no system files are fragmented (now) but XP
'defrag' still does same.
- R.P.
 
G

Gerry Cornell

R.P.

Is this a single hard drive or a partition? How much free space? I am including below some general comments about Disk Defragmenter by way of background information which may or may not help.

The amount of free space is very important when running Disk Defragmenter. A
minimum of 15% is required but sometimes 20% is desirable if the drive / partition
contains one or more large files. You can run Disk Defragmenter a second and third
time if files are still fragmented after the first run. You can put files more prone to
fragment in their own partitions.

If you use Outlook Express regularly compacting Outlook Express before running
Disk Defragmenter is helpful.

Disk Defragmenter provides a "Most fragmented files" list. When a fragmented file is
larger than the largest pocket of free space available then the files is not fragmented.
Running Disk Defragmenter a second or third time does move files around and can
reduce / eliminate the contents of the "Most fragmented files" list. The more free
space on the drive / partition, the more likely it is that all fragments will be
eliminated.

Free space cannot be defragmented with the Windows XP Disk Defragmenter.
Neither can your pagefile cannot be defragmented because the file is in use whilst
Disk Defragmenter is running. You can purchase other Defragmenting Utilities e.g.
Perfect Disk, which will defragment your pagefile and free space. Another option is to
place your pagefile in it's own partition. A pagefile partition is best located as the first
partition on a second hard drive. You should leave a small page file at the original
location.
http://www.raxco.com/

Your singling out of system files made wonder why you did so. Please explain? One aspect of system files is that by default they are hidden. I am wondering what would be the affect on the Report provided by Disk Defragmenter if Show Hidden Files and Folders is not enabled. Select Start, Control Panel, Folder Options, View and check it is enabled.

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
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R

R.P.

It is a 20G extended partition with 12G free.
The actual message is -
Defragmentation is complete.
Some files on this could not be defragmented.
Please check the defragmentation report for the list of these files.

This is the reportVolume XP Pro (E:)
Volume size = 19.53 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.35 GB
Free space = 12.19 GB
Percent free space = 62 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 52,407
Average file size = 228 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 16
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 3,096
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 65 MB
MFT record count = 55,708
Percent MFT in use = 83 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None

It is that the list of fragmented files is empty that makes it hard (I
thought perhaps system files may be hidden (explorer is set to show all).
I even tried to defrag from different WinXP (separate disk) but still could
not get it to finish.
(pagefile is empty as is on separate drive).
I cannot see what XP defrag is refusing, or unable, to do. (or how to make
it do it).
- R.Peters
 
R

R.P.

When I said system files I should have said hidden system files (pagefile,
file system, registry etc) since these are fully hidden I figured that
perhaps they would not be listed (explorer set to hide nothing).
It is a 20G extended partition with 12G free.
500+ meg memory

The actual message is -
Defragmentation is complete.
Some files on this could not be defragmented.
Please check the defragmentation report for the list of these files.

This is the reportVolume XP Pro (E:)
Volume size = 19.53 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7.35 GB
Free space = 12.19 GB
Percent free space = 62 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 0 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 52,407
Average file size = 228 KB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 16
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 3,096
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 65 MB
MFT record count = 55,708
Percent MFT in use = 83 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
None

It is that the list of fragmented files is empty that makes it hard (I
thought perhaps system files may be hidden (explorer is set to show all).
(pagefile is empty as is on separate drive).

I even tried to defrag from different WinXP (separate disk) but still could
not get it to finish.I cannot see what XP defrag is refusing, or unable, to
do. (or how to make
it do it).
- R.Peters

R.P.

Is this a single hard drive or a partition? How much free space? I am
including below some general comments about Disk Defragmenter by way of
background information which may or may not help.

The amount of free space is very important when running Disk Defragmenter. A
minimum of 15% is required but sometimes 20% is desirable if the drive /
partition
contains one or more large files. You can run Disk Defragmenter a second and
third
time if files are still fragmented after the first run. You can put files
more prone to
fragment in their own partitions.

If you use Outlook Express regularly compacting Outlook Express before
running
Disk Defragmenter is helpful.

Disk Defragmenter provides a "Most fragmented files" list. When a fragmented
file is
larger than the largest pocket of free space available then the files is not
fragmented.
Running Disk Defragmenter a second or third time does move files around and
can
reduce / eliminate the contents of the "Most fragmented files" list. The
more free
space on the drive / partition, the more likely it is that all fragments
will be
eliminated.

Free space cannot be defragmented with the Windows XP Disk Defragmenter.
Neither can your pagefile cannot be defragmented because the file is in use
whilst
Disk Defragmenter is running. You can purchase other Defragmenting Utilities
e.g.
Perfect Disk, which will defragment your pagefile and free space. Another
option is to
place your pagefile in it's own partition. A pagefile partition is best
located as the first
partition on a second hard drive. You should leave a small page file at the
original
location.
http://www.raxco.com/

Your singling out of system files made wonder why you did so. Please
explain? One aspect of system files is that by default they are hidden. I am
wondering what would be the affect on the Report provided by Disk
Defragmenter if Show Hidden Files and Folders is not enabled. Select Start,
Control Panel, Folder Options, View and check it is enabled.

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
R

R.P.

Thanks I will try to compare file for file with list that system file
defragmenter defrag'd (runs when XP loading).
Personally I feel it is bad design for a program to tell you to check a list
but show that list empty.
- R.P.
 
G

Gerry Cornell

R.P.

In the absence of other problems I think should take the Defragmenter
Report as a clean bill of health. The Master File Table is fragmented
but not listed. This is normal -see list Wes posted earlier.

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any
suggested solution worked for you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
R

R.P.

Thanks for the help
Unfortunately unless you see a number of installations you don't what is
'normal' and MS don't believe in telling you.
I would have thought that an explained 'sample' report would be included
with the other information (thanks to Wes I now know where to look for
information).
- R. Peters
R.P.

In the absence of other problems I think should take the Defragmenter
Report as a clean bill of health. The Master File Table is fragmented
but not listed. This is normal -see list Wes posted earlier.

~~~~~~


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FCA

Stourport, Worcs, England
Enquire, plan and execute.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please tell the newsgroup how any
suggested solution worked for you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 

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