Norton Ghost

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MoiMeme said:
that is unresponsive to the Norton/Iomega USB drivers packaged with
Ghost 2003, MS-DOS proves very useful for developing -'work-arounds'-:


El Pescador said:
'*_CLICK_ _HERE_*' (http://tinyurl.com/9ypef) to review using a pair of
Norton Ghost Disaster Recovery Disks employing MS-DOS to boot into Ghost
2003 in DOS mode with functional substitute USB drivers; or

'*_CLICK_ _HERE_*' (http://tinyurl.com/4w8u5) to review the use of
MS-DOS in a Windows approach to substituting functional drivers for
those embedded in Ghost 2003.

*NOTE:* Be advised that in the first thread above a single floppy will
suffice whenever there is a FAT32 partition in the loop to host
Ghost.exe; however, in a purely NTFS environment, Ghost.exe must reside
on the second of a pair of MS-DOS floppys.

*-El Pescador-*


I'll repeat, in substance, what I previously stated...
Using a single Ghost 2003 bootable floppy disk formatted PC-DOS (the default
option) through the Ghost program, I, colleagues, associates, clients,
friends and acquaintances have probably cloned HUNDREDS of different hard
drives (both internal & external) THOUSANDS of times without any problem
whatsoever that could be traced to using the PC-DOS formatting option rather
than the MS-DOS formatting option also available in the Ghost program. And
had no problem working with either FAT32 or NTFS partitions in a Windows XP
environment.

As I said before, use whatever works for you.
Anna
 
I'll repeat, in substance, what I previously stated...
Using a single Ghost 2003 bootable floppy disk formatted PC-DOS (the default
option) through the Ghost program, I, colleagues, associates, clients,
friends and acquaintances have probably cloned HUNDREDS of different hard
drives (both internal & external) THOUSANDS of times without any problem
whatsoever that could be traced to using the PC-DOS formatting option rather
than the MS-DOS formatting option also available in the Ghost program. And
had no problem working with either FAT32 or NTFS partitions in a Windows XP
environment.

As I said before, use whatever works for you.
Anna

Anna:

The Ghost 2003 dos executable file is over 1mb in size. I've never
used it in conjunction with PCdos but from your statement above, I
have to assume the PCdos boot files are smaller than the comparable
boot files (io.sys and msdos.sys) created by MSdos or the Win98
version of dos in order to fit on a 1.44 mb floppy. Is that true?

Also - and this is just from my observation and experience with using
Ghost 2003 from dos in order to create and restore images from my
external USB 2.0 device: At times the program seemed to be able to
create the image (slowly) but would not verify it. At other times, it
was inconsistent in being able to "see" the drive. The drive is a
Maxtor IDE 7200rpm mounted in a USB 2.0 external case with interface
and power supply.

However, when using True Image 8.0, not only is the image created and
verified, it's done much faster. I also do not like Ghost placing a
"stamp" or "mark" on my drives which it insists on doing.

Regards.
 


CS:
Please refer to my inline comments...

CS said:
The Ghost 2003 dos executable file is over 1mb in size. I've never
used it in conjunction with PCdos but from your statement above, I
have to assume the PCdos boot files are smaller than the comparable
boot files (io.sys and msdos.sys) created by MSdos or the Win98
version of dos in order to fit on a 1.44 mb floppy. Is that true?
As I previously stated, using the PC-DOS formatting option (the default
option) to create the Ghost bootable floppy disk will create that floppy on
a single standard 1.44 MB floppy disk.
Also - and this is just from my observation and experience with using
Ghost 2003 from dos in order to create and restore images from my
external USB 2.0 device: At times the program seemed to be able to
create the image (slowly) but would not verify it. At other times, it
was inconsistent in being able to "see" the drive. The drive is a
Maxtor IDE 7200rpm mounted in a USB 2.0 external case with interface
and power supply.
Let me state at the outset that we use a disk imaging program such as Ghost
for one purpose - to maintain a near-failsafe backup system of our
day-to-day working drive(s). We use the Ghost 2003 program to *directly*
clone the contents of one HD (internal or external) to another HD (internal
or external). I just want to make it clear that we do *not* create images on
CD/DVD or other removable media. We simply make direct disk-to-disk clones.
Our experience with cloning to & from USB 2.0 external HDs has been quite
positive. We have rarely run into problems that could be attributable to the
Ghost 2003 program. What problems we have run into with EHDs were invariably
due to a defective drive or defective USB enclosure or defective USB port.
This assumes you're using the latest version of Ghost 2003, i.e, build
2003.793, since there *were* problems with very early versions of Ghost 2003
re cloning to USB 2.0 EHDs. So in case you're using an earlier version,
access the LiveUpdate feature to install the latest build.

However, when using True Image 8.0, not only is the image created and
verified, it's done much faster. I also do not like Ghost placing a
"stamp" or "mark" on my drives which it insists on doing.
As far as Ghost's requirement to "mark the drive" before the cloning process
begins, we simply avoid that "requirement" (after booting up with the Ghost
bootable floppy or Ghost bootable CD) by tabbing over to to the "Continue
without marking drives" button on the initial screen that displays the
"License agreement warning" and pressing the Enter key. It's another reason
we prefer to use the Ghost bootable floppy (or bootable CD) to perform the
clone.

With respect to the Acronis program, we've only recently began working with
that program and I have to say I'm quite impressed with it in one particular
area. And that is its speed of cloning. It is, as you point out,
considerably faster than Ghost and that's a real plus, no doubt about it.
There are, however, a couple of negatives to the program (at least for us
based upon the way we prefer to work with a disk imaging program for
disk-to-disk cloning purposes). For one thing, you cannot create a single
bootable floppy disk to perform the clone as you can with Ghost (although
you can create a bootable CD and that's the way we've been using the
program). Secondly, you cannot (insofar as I know) *directly* clone
individual partitions on a multi-partitioned disk to another disk, as you
easily can with the Ghost program. So, if for example, your source disk had
two partitions and you wanted to directly clone just one of those partitions
to your destination disk, you cannot do so (again, AFAIK) with the ATI
program. But for straight disk-to-disk cloning it's an impressive program.

Anna
 
El Pescador said:
NORTON SYSTEMWORKS 2005 PREMIER CONTAINS GHOST 9.0 _AND_ GHOST 2003: $50
rebate plus $30 upgrade rebate !!!

I have dealt with these folks on three occasions, and each time I have
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days from the date I placed my online order - and the slowest rebate
yet arrived in just over seven weeks.

The rebate coupons are PDFs on the same electronic page as the product,
and are specific to the vendor. I fill them out as far as possible the
day after I place my order so as to have them in the mail the day after
my shipment arrives.

As a retired grandfather with children and grandchildren to furnish
with computers - and provide support - I really have to stretch my
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'*http://image.ak.outpost.com/art/rebates_pdf/4154373.pdf*'
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*-El Pescador-*


EP...
Sounds like a good deal if one can pick up this software for $0 (not
including ground shipping which I take it is about $5). Could you please
answer the following...
1. Are you absolutely certain the package contains Ghost 2003? It seems
clear Ghost 9 is included but I can't find any indication Ghost 2003 is
included as it is with the retail package of Ghost 9.

2. How does one qualify for the $30 "competitive upgrade"? I take it the
rebate form is in the box?

Thank you.
Anna
 
Hi - I want to replace my existing operating hard drive. Norton ghost was
recommended. Can anyone explain the process of ghosting from the old drive to
the new? Is it a "one-click" process?

Alternatively, should I simply reload all software, XP and applications,
from the original disks? Obviously, that'll take longer, but at least I won't
carry over all the dead, probably-hidden crap on my current drive.

I'd appreciate any sage advice.
 
duncan said:
Hi - I want to replace my existing operating hard drive. Norton ghost
was recommended. Can anyone explain the process of ghosting from the
old drive to the new? Is it a "one-click" process?

Alternatively, should I simply reload all software, XP and
applications, from the original disks? Obviously, that'll take longer,
but at least I won't carry over all the dead, probably-hidden crap on
my current drive.

I'd appreciate any sage advice.

It is better to Ghost a perfectly working system because the resulting
image will of course include everything. If you Ghost a system that is
iffy, all of the bad stuff will be there, too.

It is a very useful thing to image a partition or drive for quick
restoration of a system. However, you don't need to do that for your
purposes right now. If you buy a retail hard drive, it will come with a
utility to copy your old hard drive to the new one. If you buy the new
drive whitebox, you can get the utility from the drive mftr.'s website.
You'll slave the new drive in the machine and boot with the utility.
Follow instructions and after copying is complete you can shut down the
computer and put the new drive in as master, keeping the old drive for
extra storage if so desired. Of course, the copy will include cruft
too.

Malke
 
I see bootable Ghost 2003 floppy diskettes mentioned several times. I happen
to prefer bootable CD's or DVD's - especially for notebooks since notebooks
generally don't come with floppy drives

Directions on how to create a Ghost 2003 bootable CD

1. Take the ghost bootable floopy diskette (which you have previously
made) and insert it in your floopy drive
2. Use Nero 6 or some other writing program which can create a bootable
CD
3. When prompted for a bootable source, select the floopy drive as your
source
4. When prompted for other data - just leave it blank
5. Burn the disk
6. The Bootable CD will now perform the same as the bootable floopy

I am just like Anna, by the way - I always use the bootable diskette when
running Ghost 2003 - I don't even have the Ghost 2003 program installed on
the computer - one disadvantage of installing the program is that it requires
you to leave a primary partition available for Ghost 2003 to run - so you now
have one less primary partition available to use - I always use three
bootable primary partitions and one extended partition with a two or three
logical drives to store all my files

Unfortunately, Ghost 9 does not provide the user with any bootable floopy/CD
options which allows the user the ability to create images - their bootable
recovery disk only allows you to recover images

Also another slight inconvience - you cannot put the bootable program on
your CD/DVD disk images like Ghost 2003 - so make sure you always have your
recovery disk with you when you have to restore your images

In summary, each one has their own advantages & disadvantages - I use both

In a very complicated way - which I have never seen mentioned before - which
took me several months to work out all the kinks - I use one set of C drive
images to clone the other primary partitions instead of having three sets of
images - one for each drive letter - if you don't fix the kinks before
creating the images, your non C drive partitions will either (1) generally
fail to boot at all or (2) at best sometimes they will boot with errors -
generally speaking when the computer boots up, Windows sees two identical
drives - same drive letters, same volume serial numbers, etc, etc and it's
not program to handle such a conflict - the result - the non C drive
partitions will fail to work properly

If you are interested in the work arounds - let me know !!!
 

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