No Drive Letter for USB Thumbdrive

D

Don

Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the sound
notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized), the drive
shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware manager and as
a drive under device manager. I can set a drive letter using the
drive manager under the computer services routine but that letter is
not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled) for similar problems with
other users but nothing seems to work. I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all
updates, the system has been stable for months and just like that -
poof- no thumb drive! Any help would be appreciated.
Don
 
D

dadiOH

Don said:
Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the sound
notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized), the drive
shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware manager and as
a drive under device manager. I can set a drive letter using the
drive manager under the computer services routine but that letter is
not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled) for similar problems with
other users but nothing seems to work. I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all
updates, the system has been stable for months and just like that -
poof- no thumb drive! Any help would be appreciated.
Don

After you give it a drive letter, unplug it, plug it in and then look.
Works for me...

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Don

Nope. But thanks for your tip. Apparently something drastic changed
but I can't identify the culprit.

On Fri, 7 May 2010 15:38:24 -0400, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:

|Don wrote:
|> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
|> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the sound
|> notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized), the drive
|> shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware manager and as
|> a drive under device manager. I can set a drive letter using the
|> drive manager under the computer services routine but that letter is
|> not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled) for similar problems with
|> other users but nothing seems to work. I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all
|> updates, the system has been stable for months and just like that -
|> poof- no thumb drive! Any help would be appreciated.
|> Don
|
|After you give it a drive letter, unplug it, plug it in and then look.
|Works for me...
 
H

HeyBub

Don said:
Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the sound
notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized), the drive
shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware manager and as
a drive under device manager. I can set a drive letter using the
drive manager under the computer services routine but that letter is
not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled) for similar problems with
other users but nothing seems to work. I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all
updates, the system has been stable for months and just like that -
poof- no thumb drive! Any help would be appreciated.
Don

Does the thumb drive work on another machine? Thumb drives don't last
forever. Or very long. Or sometimes not an hour.
 
J

John Wunderlich

Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the
sound notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized),
the drive shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware
manager and as a drive under device manager. I can set a drive
letter using the drive manager under the computer services routine
but that letter is not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled)
for similar problems with other users but nothing seems to work.
I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all updates, the system has been stable
for months and just like that - poof- no thumb drive! Any help
would be appreciated. Don

Probably the most definitive resource for information on this kind of
problems is the following:

"Troubleshooting for USB drives"
<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html>

"USBDLM V4.4.2 - USB Drive Letter Manager for Windows 2000, XP"
<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html>

HTH,
John
 
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Don

On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:57:11 -0700, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general John Wunderlich

||
|> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
|> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the
|> sound notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized),
|> the drive shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware
|> manager and as a drive under device manager. I can set a drive
|> letter using the drive manager under the computer services routine
|> but that letter is not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled)
|> for similar problems with other users but nothing seems to work.
|> I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all updates, the system has been stable
|> for months and just like that - poof- no thumb drive! Any help
|> would be appreciated. Don
|
|Probably the most definitive resource for information on this kind of
|problems is the following:
|
|"Troubleshooting for USB drives"
|<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html>
|
|"USBDLM V4.4.2 - USB Drive Letter Manager for Windows 2000, XP"
|<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html>
|
|HTH,
| JOHN

Thanks to all who made suggestions. None worked for me.
Let me explain in a bit more detail the situation. I have a number of
thumb drives. All work perfectly in my Dell laptop running windows xp
proffesional SP3 fully updated. None work in my desktop which is also
running xp professional sp3 fully updated. Here are some clues:
1. when inserting the thumbdrive I get the audio recognition. If I
then look at the window in the "Safely remove hardware" app, the
device shows up as ageneric device with no drive letter. If I look at
the diskmanager display under computer management services , the
device shows up and again with no drive letter. If I right click and
select add/change drive letter and then so choose one, the display
changes to now show the drive letter. Another righ click and Explore
I can view the contents of the drive. BUT BUT BUT the drive does not
show up in Explorer (or any other viewer or app). It was suggested
that once I add the drive letter I should remove the drive and then
re-insert. I tried that - no joy. I can find no reason behind this
situation and as I stated in my initial message it jst popped up in
the middle of one day. No error messages, no BSOD, nothing. Further,
trying one of the programs at the www.uwe-sieber.de site did not
correct the problem nor did any of the many suggestions there. Again
thanks for the suggestions.
Don
 
D

Doug W.

Don said:
On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:57:11 -0700, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general John Wunderlich

||
|> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive
letter
|> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get
the
|> sound notification that the drive is inserted (and
recognized),
|> the drive shows up as a device under disk drives in the
hardware
|> manager and as a drive under device manager. I can set a
drive
|> letter using the drive manager under the computer services
routine
|> but that letter is not seen by explorer. I've looked
(googled)
|> for similar problems with other users but nothing seems to
work.
|> I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all updates, the system has been
stable
|> for months and just like that - poof- no thumb drive! Any
help
|> would be appreciated. Don
|
|Probably the most definitive resource for information on this
kind of
|problems is the following:
|
|"Troubleshooting for USB drives"
|<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html>
|
|"USBDLM V4.4.2 - USB Drive Letter Manager for Windows 2000,
XP"
|<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html>
|
|HTH,
| JOHN

Thanks to all who made suggestions. None worked for me.
Let me explain in a bit more detail the situation. I have a
number of
thumb drives. All work perfectly in my Dell laptop running
windows xp
proffesional SP3 fully updated. None work in my desktop which
is also
running xp professional sp3 fully updated. Here are some
clues:
1. when inserting the thumbdrive I get the audio recognition.
If I
then look at the window in the "Safely remove hardware" app,
the
device shows up as ageneric device with no drive letter. If I
look at
the diskmanager display under computer management services ,
the
device shows up and again with no drive letter. If I right
click and
select add/change drive letter and then so choose one, the
display
changes to now show the drive letter. Another righ click and
Explore
I can view the contents of the drive. BUT BUT BUT the drive
does not
show up in Explorer (or any other viewer or app). It was
suggested
that once I add the drive letter I should remove the drive and
then
re-insert. I tried that - no joy. I can find no reason
behind this
situation and as I stated in my initial message it jst popped
up in
the middle of one day. No error messages, no BSOD, nothing.
Further,
trying one of the programs at the www.uwe-sieber.de site did
not
correct the problem nor did any of the many suggestions there.
Again
thanks for the suggestions.
Don
==
Did you try to copy a file to the drive in question? Did you try
to subsequently try to read, copy or delete this test file? Can
you drag and drop to/from the thumb drive?

Try different scenarios to see what works and what doesn't.
Sometimes this is all it takes to correct these "strange"
situations.

I have never seen what you describe but who knows...it could
happen to any one of us.

==
 
E

Ed Mc

On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:57:11 -0700, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general John Wunderlich

||
|> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
|> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the
|> sound notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized),
|> the drive shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware
|> manager and as a drive under device manager. I can set a drive
|> letter using the drive manager under the computer services routine
|> but that letter is not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled)
|> for similar problems with other users but nothing seems to work.
|> I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all updates, the system has been stable
|> for months and just like that - poof- no thumb drive! Any help
|> would be appreciated. Don
|
|Probably the most definitive resource for information on this kind of
|problems is the following:
|
|"Troubleshooting for USB drives"
|<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html>
|
|"USBDLM V4.4.2 - USB Drive Letter Manager for Windows 2000, XP"
|<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html>
|
|HTH,
| JOHN

Thanks to all who made suggestions. None worked for me.
Let me explain in a bit more detail the situation. I have a number of
thumb drives. All work perfectly in my Dell laptop running windows xp
proffesional SP3 fully updated. None work in my desktop which is also
running xp professional sp3 fully updated. Here are some clues:
1. when inserting the thumbdrive I get the audio recognition. If I
then look at the window in the "Safely remove hardware" app, the
device shows up as ageneric device with no drive letter. If I look at
the diskmanager display under computer management services , the
device shows up and again with no drive letter. If I right click and
select add/change drive letter and then so choose one, the display
changes to now show the drive letter. Another righ click and Explore
I can view the contents of the drive. BUT BUT BUT the drive does not
show up in Explorer (or any other viewer or app). It was suggested
that once I add the drive letter I should remove the drive and then
re-insert. I tried that - no joy. I can find no reason behind this
situation and as I stated in my initial message it jst popped up in
the middle of one day. No error messages, no BSOD, nothing. Further,


Do you have TweakUI for Windows installed? I know there is a setting in
TweakUI to make drive letters available, or not, under My Computer>
Drives. Maybe you have new drive letters set to unavailable? Just a
thought.
 
D

Donahoo

Don said:
On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:57:11 -0700, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general John Wunderlich

||
|> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
|> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the
|> sound notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized),
|> the drive shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware
|> manager and as a drive under device manager. I can set a drive
|> letter using the drive manager under the computer services routine
|> but that letter is not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled)
|> for similar problems with other users but nothing seems to work.
|> I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all updates, the system has been stable
|> for months and just like that - poof- no thumb drive! Any help
|> would be appreciated. Don
|
|Probably the most definitive resource for information on this kind of
|problems is the following:
|
|"Troubleshooting for USB drives"
|<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html>
|
|"USBDLM V4.4.2 - USB Drive Letter Manager for Windows 2000, XP"
|<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html>
|
|HTH,
| JOHN

Thanks to all who made suggestions. None worked for me.
Let me explain in a bit more detail the situation. I have a number of
thumb drives. All work perfectly in my Dell laptop running windows xp
proffesional SP3 fully updated. None work in my desktop which is also
running xp professional sp3 fully updated. Here are some clues:
1. when inserting the thumbdrive I get the audio recognition. If I
then look at the window in the "Safely remove hardware" app, the
device shows up as ageneric device with no drive letter. If I look at
the diskmanager display under computer management services , the
device shows up and again with no drive letter. If I right click and
select add/change drive letter and then so choose one, the display
changes to now show the drive letter. Another righ click and Explore
I can view the contents of the drive. BUT BUT BUT the drive does not
show up in Explorer (or any other viewer or app). It was suggested
that once I add the drive letter I should remove the drive and then
re-insert. I tried that - no joy. I can find no reason behind this
situation and as I stated in my initial message it jst popped up in
the middle of one day. No error messages, no BSOD, nothing. Further,
trying one of the programs at the www.uwe-sieber.de site did not
correct the problem nor did any of the many suggestions there. Again
thanks for the suggestions.
Don

Is the port working properly? Can you get another USB device to work in
the same port? Mouse or keyboard or printer or headphones?
 
D

Don

On Mon, 10 May 2010 15:29:35 -0600, in

|
||> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:57:11 -0700, in
|> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general John Wunderlich
|>
|> ||> |
|> |> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive
|> letter
|> |> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get
|> the
|> |> sound notification that the drive is inserted (and
|> recognized),
|> |> the drive shows up as a device under disk drives in the
|> hardware
|> |> manager and as a drive under device manager. I can set a
|> drive
|> |> letter using the drive manager under the computer services
|> routine
|> |> but that letter is not seen by explorer. I've looked
|> (googled)
|> |> for similar problems with other users but nothing seems to
|> work.
|> |> I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all updates, the system has been
|> stable
|> |> for months and just like that - poof- no thumb drive! Any
|> help
|> |> would be appreciated. Don
|> |
|> |Probably the most definitive resource for information on this
|> kind of
|> |problems is the following:
|> |
|> |"Troubleshooting for USB drives"
|> |<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html>
|> |
|> |"USBDLM V4.4.2 - USB Drive Letter Manager for Windows 2000,
|> XP"
|> |<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html>
|> |
|> |HTH,
|> | JOHN
|>
|> Thanks to all who made suggestions. None worked for me.
|> Let me explain in a bit more detail the situation. I have a
|> number of
|> thumb drives. All work perfectly in my Dell laptop running
|> windows xp
|> proffesional SP3 fully updated. None work in my desktop which
|> is also
|> running xp professional sp3 fully updated. Here are some
|> clues:
|> 1. when inserting the thumbdrive I get the audio recognition.
|> If I
|> then look at the window in the "Safely remove hardware" app,
|> the
|> device shows up as ageneric device with no drive letter. If I
|> look at
|> the diskmanager display under computer management services ,
|> the
|> device shows up and again with no drive letter. If I right
|> click and
|> select add/change drive letter and then so choose one, the
|> display
|> changes to now show the drive letter. Another righ click and
|> Explore
|> I can view the contents of the drive. BUT BUT BUT the drive
|> does not
|> show up in Explorer (or any other viewer or app). It was
|> suggested
|> that once I add the drive letter I should remove the drive and
|> then
|> re-insert. I tried that - no joy. I can find no reason
|> behind this
|> situation and as I stated in my initial message it jst popped
|> up in
|> the middle of one day. No error messages, no BSOD, nothing.
|> Further,
|> trying one of the programs at the www.uwe-sieber.de site did
|> not
|> correct the problem nor did any of the many suggestions there.
|> Again
|> thanks for the suggestions.
|> Don
|==
|Did you try to copy a file to the drive in question? Did you try
|to subsequently try to read, copy or delete this test file? Can
|you drag and drop to/from the thumb drive?
|
|Try different scenarios to see what works and what doesn't.
|Sometimes this is all it takes to correct these "strange"
|situations.
|
|I have never seen what you describe but who knows...it could
|happen to any one of us.
|
|==
|
I've been able to "read" files from each device using PC Inspector
File Recovery. This program can "see" the drive (as does disk
management service) even though it has no drive letter. I can't copy
or drag a file to the device since it doesn't show up in explorer or
any other program as a devide with a drive letter. This even after I
add a drive letter under disk mamagement. A drive letter is assigned
under disk manager but it never shows up in any program that would be
used to view/copy/manipulate the contents of the drive. This is
really driving me nuts. And thanks for the tips.
Don
 
D

Don

On Tue, 11 May 2010 05:13:41 -0700, in

|In article <[email protected]>,
|[email protected] says...
|>
|> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:57:11 -0700, in
|> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general John Wunderlich
|>
|> ||> |
|> |> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
|> |> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the
|> |> sound notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized),
|> |> the drive shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware
|> |> manager and as a drive under device manager. I can set a drive
|> |> letter using the drive manager under the computer services routine
|> |> but that letter is not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled)
|> |> for similar problems with other users but nothing seems to work.
|> |> I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all updates, the system has been stable
|> |> for months and just like that - poof- no thumb drive! Any help
|> |> would be appreciated. Don
|> |
|> |Probably the most definitive resource for information on this kind of
|> |problems is the following:
|> |
|> |"Troubleshooting for USB drives"
|> |<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html>
|> |
|> |"USBDLM V4.4.2 - USB Drive Letter Manager for Windows 2000, XP"
|> |<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html>
|> |
|> |HTH,
|> | JOHN
|>
|> Thanks to all who made suggestions. None worked for me.
|> Let me explain in a bit more detail the situation. I have a number of
|> thumb drives. All work perfectly in my Dell laptop running windows xp
|> proffesional SP3 fully updated. None work in my desktop which is also
|> running xp professional sp3 fully updated. Here are some clues:
|> 1. when inserting the thumbdrive I get the audio recognition. If I
|> then look at the window in the "Safely remove hardware" app, the
|> device shows up as ageneric device with no drive letter. If I look at
|> the diskmanager display under computer management services , the
|> device shows up and again with no drive letter. If I right click and
|> select add/change drive letter and then so choose one, the display
|> changes to now show the drive letter. Another righ click and Explore
|> I can view the contents of the drive. BUT BUT BUT the drive does not
|> show up in Explorer (or any other viewer or app). It was suggested
|> that once I add the drive letter I should remove the drive and then
|> re-insert. I tried that - no joy. I can find no reason behind this
|> situation and as I stated in my initial message it jst popped up in
|> the middle of one day. No error messages, no BSOD, nothing. Further,
|
|
|Do you have TweakUI for Windows installed? I know there is a setting in
|TweakUI to make drive letters available, or not, under My Computer>
|Drives. Maybe you have new drive letters set to unavailable? Just a
|thought.
Yes, I have tweakUI and I have used it. All drive letters possible
are checked.
Don
 
D

Don

On Wed, 12 May 2010 14:57:54 -0400, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Donahoo <[email protected]>
wrote:

|Don wrote:
|> On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:57:11 -0700, in
|> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general John Wunderlich
|>
|> ||> |
|> |> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
|> |> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the
|> |> sound notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized),
|> |> the drive shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware
|> |> manager and as a drive under device manager. I can set a drive
|> |> letter using the drive manager under the computer services routine
|> |> but that letter is not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled)
|> |> for similar problems with other users but nothing seems to work.
|> |> I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all updates, the system has been stable
|> |> for months and just like that - poof- no thumb drive! Any help
|> |> would be appreciated. Don
|> |
|> |Probably the most definitive resource for information on this kind of
|> |problems is the following:
|> |
|> |"Troubleshooting for USB drives"
|> |<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtrouble_e.html>
|> |
|> |"USBDLM V4.4.2 - USB Drive Letter Manager for Windows 2000, XP"
|> |<http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html>
|> |
|> |HTH,
|> | JOHN
|>
|> Thanks to all who made suggestions. None worked for me.
|> Let me explain in a bit more detail the situation. I have a number of
|> thumb drives. All work perfectly in my Dell laptop running windows xp
|> proffesional SP3 fully updated. None work in my desktop which is also
|> running xp professional sp3 fully updated. Here are some clues:
|> 1. when inserting the thumbdrive I get the audio recognition. If I
|> then look at the window in the "Safely remove hardware" app, the
|> device shows up as ageneric device with no drive letter. If I look at
|> the diskmanager display under computer management services , the
|> device shows up and again with no drive letter. If I right click and
|> select add/change drive letter and then so choose one, the display
|> changes to now show the drive letter. Another righ click and Explore
|> I can view the contents of the drive. BUT BUT BUT the drive does not
|> show up in Explorer (or any other viewer or app). It was suggested
|> that once I add the drive letter I should remove the drive and then
|> re-insert. I tried that - no joy. I can find no reason behind this
|> situation and as I stated in my initial message it jst popped up in
|> the middle of one day. No error messages, no BSOD, nothing. Further,
|> trying one of the programs at the www.uwe-sieber.de site did not
|> correct the problem nor did any of the many suggestions there. Again
|> thanks for the suggestions.
|> Don
|
|Is the port working properly? Can you get another USB device to work in
|the same port? Mouse or keyboard or printer or headphones?
Yes, all of the ports I've tried are working as I can plug external
hard drives into them and the drives are recognized and given a drive
letter.
Don
 
D

Don

On Fri, 07 May 2010 14:04:22 -0600, in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Don <[email protected]>
wrote:

|Nope. But thanks for your tip. Apparently something drastic changed
|but I can't identify the culprit.
|
|On Fri, 7 May 2010 15:38:24 -0400, in
|microsoft.public.windowsxp.general "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
|wrote:
|
||Don wrote:
||> Beginning a day or so ago, I no longer "see" or get a drive letter
||> when a thumb drive (any) is inserted in a usb port. I get the sound
||> notification that the drive is inserted (and recognized), the drive
||> shows up as a device under disk drives in the hardware manager and as
||> a drive under device manager. I can set a drive letter using the
||> drive manager under the computer services routine but that letter is
||> not seen by explorer. I've looked (googled) for similar problems with
||> other users but nothing seems to work. I'm using XP Pro, SP3 with all
||> updates, the system has been stable for months and just like that -
||> poof- no thumb drive! Any help would be appreciated.
||> Don
||
||After you give it a drive letter, unplug it, plug it in and then look.
||Works for me...

I just wanted to add a bit more info. All of the thumb drives are
visible and fully functional in a BartPE environment. The BartPE
system was built on the same XP files (minus updates since last April)
on which I'm now having the problem. I've uninstalled the relevent
drivers (which get reinstalled) so I'm down to a registry problem and
have no idea how to go about trying to sort through that rat's nest.
Unless I hear something soon I guess I'll just reinstall the system.
One word: Crap!
Thanks for the past suggestions. Don
 
J

John Wunderlich

I just wanted to add a bit more info. All of the thumb drives are
visible and fully functional in a BartPE environment. The BartPE
system was built on the same XP files (minus updates since last
April) on which I'm now having the problem. I've uninstalled the
relevent drivers (which get reinstalled) so I'm down to a registry
problem and have no idea how to go about trying to sort through
that rat's nest. Unless I hear something soon I guess I'll just
reinstall the system. One word: Crap!
Thanks for the past suggestions. Don

Ok. Here's a real longshot... In the past, I believe that I lost
Explorer access to USB Thumbdrives after installing Adobe Elements. I
don't think it was the "Elements" program itself, but rather a download
manager that installed with it. I think if it detected a .jpg file on
the USB, it thought it was a camera and took over control of the
device. Uninstalling the program fixed the problem. You might try
using msconfig (Start->Run-> "msconfig") to test-eliminate some of the
programs that run at startup to see if any have an effect.

HTH,
John
 

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