news reader

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Thanks for your feedback, Curt.

Great post Bear,

*Very* informative, and it's a keeper for me.

More for you:

1. OE Tools | Options | Read | Get XXX headers at a time

The default is 300. You may set this option as high as 1,000. Right-click
on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Synchronization Settings | select New
Messages Only. Now every time you open the newsgroup (or hit F5), you will
download the next-newest set of headers/messages..

When you feel you've downloaded enough headers/messages, again
right-click
on the newsgroup in Folders pane and select Catch Up Now. This will Mark as
Read all messages on the server, including ones you've not yet
downloaded.
Now return to "Get XXX headers at a time" and uncheck the option completely;
then compact the folder.

From now on, OE will only download headers/messages posted to the server
since you last checked (polled) for messages.

You should probably visit this page, too:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#cleannews (lotsa good stuff
there).

2. Click on the following links to open the newsgroup in OE:

OE General (preferable):
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
[[OE6:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
]
]

IE General:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

WinXP General:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

Works like a champ, Bruce. Thanks very much!!

Mike

:

Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MShttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


My new ISP doesn't 'do' newsgroups and so I'm having to deal with trying
to
follow topics on a LONG list of ...public.xp.general and so on topics.
Is
there a newsgroup reader that is suggested that could help with this
that
would be recommended. No charge would be appreciated.

Thanks much,

Mike

 

[Bruce Hagen]

I don't think this is what Dave was hoping to hear. He /despises/ Robear,
(my mentor), with a passion.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

Dave,

I hit the "Send " button too soon.

You are right--Bear has been one of the key MVP's (and poster), for
accurate
advice, since I began here in 2000.

Funny, he started about the same time as me, but I *think* he knows a
little
more than I do. ;-)

--
Curt

http://dundats.mvps.org/
http://www.aumha.org/
http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx

| Interesting to see Robear bringing part of his own fan club over here!
|
| Hello Curt. Happy New Year!
|
| Dave
|
|
| | > Great post Bear,
| >
| > *Very* informative, and it's a keeper for me.
| >
| > --
| > Curt
| >
| > http://dundats.mvps.org/
| > http://www.aumha.org/
| > http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx
| >
| > | > | More for you:
| > |
| > | 1. OE Tools | Options | Read | Get XXX headers at a time
| > |
| > | The default is 300. You may set this option as high as 1,000.
| > Right-click
| > | on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Synchronization Settings | select
| > New
| > | Messages Only. Now every time you open the newsgroup (or hit F5),
| > you
| > will
| > | download the next-newest set of headers/messages..
| > |
| > | When you feel you've downloaded enough headers/messages, again
| > right-click
| > | on the newsgroup in Folders pane and select Catch Up Now. This will
| > Mark
| > as
| > | Read all messages on the server, including ones you've not yet
| > downloaded.
| > | Now return to "Get XXX headers at a time" and uncheck the option
| > completely;
| > | then compact the folder.
| > |
| > | From now on, OE will only download headers/messages posted to the
| > server
| > | since you last checked (polled) for messages.
| > |
| > | You should probably visit this page, too:
| > | http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#cleannews (lotsa good
| > stuff
| > | there).
| > |
| > | 2. Click on the following links to open the newsgroup in OE:
| > |
| > | OE General (preferable):
| > | news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
| > | [[OE6:
| > |
| >
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress ]
| > | ]
| > |
| > | IE General:
| > |
| > news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
| > |
| > | WinXP General:
| > | news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
| > |
| > | ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > | MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
| > |
| > | cajun_mike wrote:
| > | > Works like a champ, Bruce. Thanks very much!!
| > | >
| > | > Mike
| > | >
| > | > "Bruce Hagen" wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MS| > | >> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
| > | >> --
| > | >>
| > | >> Bruce Hagen
| > | >> MS-MVP Outlook Express
| > | >> Imperial Beach, CA
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >>> My new ISP doesn't 'do' newsgroups and so I'm having to deal
| > with
| > trying
| > | >>> to
| > | >>> follow topics on a LONG list of ...public.xp.general and so on
| > topics.
| > | >>> Is
| > | >>> there a newsgroup reader that is suggested that could help with
| > this
| > | >>> that
| > | >>> would be recommended. No charge would be appreciated.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> Thanks much,
| > | >>>
| > | >>> Mike
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

@BD: <bite me>

Dave,

I hit the "Send " button too soon.

You are right--Bear has been one of the key MVP's (and poster), for
accurate
advice, since I began here in 2000.

Funny, he started about the same time as me, but I *think* he knows a
little
more than I do. ;-)

Interesting to see Robear bringing part of his own fan club over here!

Hello Curt. Happy New Year!

Dave

Great post Bear,

*Very* informative, and it's a keeper for me.

--
Curt

http://dundats.mvps.org/
http://www.aumha.org/
http://dundats.mvps.org/AutoIt/default.aspx

More for you:

1. OE Tools | Options | Read | Get XXX headers at a time

The default is 300. You may set this option as high as 1,000.
Right-click
on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Synchronization Settings | select
New
Messages Only. Now every time you open the newsgroup (or hit F5),
you
will
download the next-newest set of headers/messages..

When you feel you've downloaded enough headers/messages, again
right-click
on the newsgroup in Folders pane and select Catch Up Now. This will
Mark
as
Read all messages on the server, including ones you've not yet
downloaded.
Now return to "Get XXX headers at a time" and uncheck the option
completely;
then compact the folder.

From now on, OE will only download headers/messages posted to the
server
since you last checked (polled) for messages.

You should probably visit this page, too:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#cleannews (lotsa good
stuff
there).

2. Click on the following links to open the newsgroup in OE:

OE General (preferable):
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
[[OE6:

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
]

]

IE General:

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

WinXP General:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

cajun_mike wrote:
Works like a champ, Bruce. Thanks very much!!

Mike

:

Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MShttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


My new ISP doesn't 'do' newsgroups and so I'm having to deal
with
trying
to
follow topics on a LONG list of ...public.xp.general and so on
topics.
Is
there a newsgroup reader that is suggested that could help with
this
that
would be recommended. No charge would be appreciated.

Thanks much,

Mike

 

[Bill in Co.]

What WOULD be nice is if OE could automatically delete newsposts after xx
days on your computer, instead of our having to manually go in and run a
"news rule" to manually remove them from the computer after xx days" each
time. I haven't yet seen a solution for that. And if you don't do it, the
newsfolders keep growing and growing (with the old message headers still
being stored) (compacted or not compacted).

Thanks for your feedback, Curt.

Great post Bear,

*Very* informative, and it's a keeper for me.

More for you:

1. OE Tools | Options | Read | Get XXX headers at a time

The default is 300. You may set this option as high as 1,000.
Right-click
on the newsgroup in Folders pane | Synchronization Settings | select New
Messages Only. Now every time you open the newsgroup (or hit F5), you
will download the next-newest set of headers/messages..

When you feel you've downloaded enough headers/messages, again
right-click
on the newsgroup in Folders pane and select Catch Up Now. This will
Mark >>> as Read all messages on the server, including ones you've not
yet
downloaded.
Now return to "Get XXX headers at a time" and uncheck the option
completely; then compact the folder.

From now on, OE will only download headers/messages posted to the server
since you last checked (polled) for messages.

You should probably visit this page, too:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#cleannews (lotsa good stuff
there).

2. Click on the following links to open the newsgroup in OE:

OE General (preferable):
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general
[[OE6:

news://msnews.microsoft.com/ microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
]

]

IE General:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

WinXP General:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

cajun_mike wrote:
Works like a champ, Bruce. Thanks very much!!

Mike

:

Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MShttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


My new ISP doesn't 'do' newsgroups and so I'm having to deal with
trying to
follow topics on a LONG list of ...public.xp.general and so on
topics.
Is there a newsgroup reader that is suggested that could help with
this
that would be recommended. No charge would be appreciated.

Thanks much,

Mike

 

[Bill in Co.]

Well, I really have no big issues with OE, so I don't see much point in
going to another newsreader yet like Free Agent. And having email and news
so conveniently together in OE just seems pretty convenient to me.

 

[~BD~]

@BD: <bite me>

I sometimes have to ponder on the expressions you use, PA Bear but found
this:-

: What's the meaning of the current usage "bite me"? Thanks. - Patty

I believe the meaning is pretty clear. However, for the record, "bite
me" refers to fellatio. Oral sex. The phrase isn't an invitation to a
sexual encounter. It means "get lost" or "screw you." (Someone somewhere
has no doubt done a study on why we use sexual terms in this manner.
it's probably a dominance thing.)

Ref: http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/8/messages/213.html



You said this (knowing it to be a lie)

"I did a competent and thorough investigation of BD's online history a
few
years ago and discovered that he'd been banned by several ISPs
(including
AOL), that several of his non-ISP email accounts had been discontinued,
and
that he'd been banned by several forums and newsservers for abuse. This
led
to BD being permanently banned from AumHa Forums and all of his multiple
user-accounts being Deleted"

Ref: Your post 31 December 2008 19:59 GMT Subject: Re: A new
beginning?



What, exactly, are you fearful of me discovering?

Dave

 

[Joe Buck]

I sometimes have to ponder on the expressions you use, PA Bear but
found this:-

: What's the meaning of the current usage "bite me"? Thanks. - Patty

I believe the meaning is pretty clear. However, for the record, "bite
me" refers to fellatio. Oral sex. The phrase isn't an invitation to a
sexual encounter. It means "get lost" or "screw you." (Someone
somewhere has no doubt done a study on why we use sexual terms in this
manner. it's probably a dominance thing.)

Ref: http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/8/messages/213.html



You said this (knowing it to be a lie)

"I did a competent and thorough investigation of BD's online history a
few
years ago and discovered that he'd been banned by several ISPs
(including
AOL), that several of his non-ISP email accounts had been
discontinued, and
that he'd been banned by several forums and newsservers for abuse.
This led
to BD being permanently banned from AumHa Forums and all of his
multiple
user-accounts being Deleted"

Ref: Your post 31 December 2008 19:59 GMT Subject: Re: A new
beginning?



What, exactly, are you fearful of me discovering?

Dave

 

[BillW50]

In Bill in Co. typed on Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:28:47 -0700:

What WOULD be nice is if OE could automatically delete newsposts
after xx days on your computer, instead of our having to manually go
in and run a "news rule" to manually remove them from the computer
after xx days" each time. I haven't yet seen a solution for that. And if
you don't do it, the newsfolders keep growing and growing
(with the old message headers still being stored) (compacted or not
compacted).

None of my OE has ever worked like that. Although I wish it would sometimes.
How all of mine works is they match what is on the server and delete the
ones the server has already deleted. And some servers only keeps things for
a few days while some others can keep them for a year or more.

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu

 

[BillW50]

In Bill in Co. typed on Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:28:47 -0700:

What WOULD be nice is if OE could automatically delete newsposts
after xx days on your computer, instead of our having to manually go
in and run a "news rule" to manually remove them from the computer
after xx days" each time. I haven't yet seen a solution for that. And if
you don't do it, the newsfolders keep growing and growing
(with the old message headers still being stored) (compacted or not
compacted).

None of my OE has ever worked like that. Although I wish it would sometimes.
How all of mine works is they match what is on the server and delete the
ones the server has already deleted. And some servers only keeps things for
a few days while some others can keep them for a year or more.

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Well, I really have no big issues with OE, so I don't see much point in
going to another newsreader yet like Free Agent. And having email and news
so conveniently together in OE just seems pretty convenient to me.

Regarding that last sentence, it's a point of view that many people
have, but one that I've never understood. Personally I see no value in
having both functions in a single program, and I'd appreciate hearing
from you as to why you feel that way. I use Forte Agent 5.0 as a
newsreader and Microsoft Outlook 2007 as an E-mail client.

But if you do want both functions in the same product, you might want
to look at and consider Forte Agent, which *does* do that.

 

[~BD~]

I wonder if the cost might be a disincentive, Ken!
https://www.forteinc.com/agent/order-form.php

Maybe, though, there is a 'Free' Agent which I haven't found. Is there?

TIA

Dave

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Couldn't agree with you more, however:

Fact: All OE development ceased in June 2006. There will be no added
functionality or improvements, ever.

Fact: MS will continue to issue security-related updates for OE as long as
the OS in which it's running is still supported (e.g., until 2014 if running
WinXP SP3).

So be thankful you at least have the manually applied Message Rule
functionality to delete older posts. Every 2 or 3 days, I run my Rule to
delete newsgroup posts older than 3 days then I do a manual compact of all
folders. All told, this two-step process might take 2 minutes, Bill, and
I've usually got OE up & running 12-16 hours a day, 24/7. Heck, it takes
longer than that to shave every couple of days! <eg>

What WOULD be nice is if OE could automatically delete newsposts after xx
days on your computer, instead of our having to manually go in and run a
"news rule" to manually remove them from the computer after xx days" each
time. I haven't yet seen a solution for that. And if you don't do it,
the
newsfolders keep growing and growing (with the old message headers still
being stored) (compacted or not compacted).

<snip>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

[So good, he posts it twice!]

In Bill in Co. typed on Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:28:47 -0700:

None of my OE has ever worked like that. Although I wish it would
sometimes.
How all of mine works is they match what is on the server and delete the
ones the server has already deleted. And some servers only keeps things
for
a few days while some others can keep them for a year or more.

 

[N. Miller]

I wonder if the cost might be a disincentive, Ken!
https://www.forteinc.com/agent/order-form.php

Maybe, though, there is a 'Free' Agent which I haven't found. Is there?

There was, once. But the "Free" Agent did not have full functionality in the
combined News+Mail department; it was strictly news, and somewhat limited
even then.

As one who prefers tools properly designed for the job, instead of a "Swiss
Army Knife" application, I've long used 40tude Dialog for news, and Pegasus
Mail for email.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[~BD~]

Thanks, Norman.

A Happy New Year to you!

Dave

There was, once. But the "Free" Agent did not have full functionality
in the
combined News+Mail department; it was strictly news, and somewhat
limited
even then.

As one who prefers tools properly designed for the job, instead of a
"Swiss
Army Knife" application, I've long used 40tude Dialog for news, and
Pegasus
Mail for email.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[~BD~]

I'll take that as a 'no' then, David! <s>

Thanks for replying.

Dave

 

[Robert Aldwinckle]

What WOULD be nice is if OE could automatically delete newsposts after xx
days on your computer, instead of our having to manually go in and run a
"news rule" to manually remove them from the computer after xx days" each
time. I haven't yet seen a solution for that.

And if you don't do it, the
newsfolders keep growing and growing (with the old message headers still
being stored) (compacted or not compacted).

Are you implying that you are already using the Maintenance tab option
for automatically deleting news message bodies after a specified number
of days? That at least should help reduce the size of your newsgroup .dbx files.
Then, for an out-of-sight-out-of mind application just use the View:
Show Downloaded Messages (e.g. hide bare headers).


---

 

[Ron Sommer]

Are you implying that you are already using the Maintenance tab option
for automatically deleting news message bodies after a specified number
of days? That at least should help reduce the size of your newsgroup
.dbx files.
Then, for an out-of-sight-out-of mind application just use the View:
Show Downloaded Messages (e.g. hide bare headers).

There will not be a reduction in dbx file size until a compaction occurs.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Couldn't agree with you more, however:

Fact: All OE development ceased in June 2006. There will be no added
functionality or improvements, ever.

Fact: MS will continue to issue security-related updates for OE as long as
the OS in which it's running is still supported (e.g., until 2014 if
running
WinXP SP3).

So be thankful you at least have the manually applied Message Rule
functionality to delete older posts. Every 2 or 3 days, I run my Rule to
delete newsgroup posts older than 3 days then I do a manual compact of all
folders. All told, this two-step process might take 2 minutes, Bill, and
I've usually got OE up & running 12-16 hours a day, 24/7. Heck, it takes
longer than that to shave every couple of days! <eg>

Yeah, I know, and I do something similar. But it just seems like something
that should already be in there, as I am SURE most people aren't even aware
of this, and never do it. As I said, it should have been designed in,
after all these iterations of OE over all the years).

 

[Bill in Co.]

Regarding that last sentence, it's a point of view that many people
have, but one that I've never understood. Personally I see no value in
having both functions in a single program, and I'd appreciate hearing
from you as to why you feel that way. I use Forte Agent 5.0 as a
newsreader and Microsoft Outlook 2007 as an E-mail client.

I like simplicity and convenience? And generally, lean and mean, apps.


And I have NO interest whatsoever in a heavier applet, like "MS Outlook".

(or Office 2007, for that matter - double shudder!)