New HDD Installation

[Guest]

I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the old
drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the old
and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to be
installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do not
have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded to
Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP upgrade disk
as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may need
to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as quick and
painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the primary
IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.

 

[Rich Barry]

John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In there
will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone it?

 

[Guest]

With SP2 installed the pci card really isnt needed,youre MB IDE controller
should be fine.Also,if you do stick with maxtor,you probably need to
configure
it in the BIOS,resetting the CMOS would'nt hurt either.Also,setting aside the
old hd is/was a v.poor recomendation,set it as slave to new hd,or move to
other IDE connection,set the jumper pins,then set as a paging file for
virtual
memory in xp.One other item,if the wdc hd is solo on a IDE cable,it uses no
jumper pins at all.

 

[Guest]

I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the old
drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking for
a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the Windows ME
restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Ron Sommer]

Large drives need SP 2 and a Bios that recognizes the large drive.
The drive will have to stay on the pci card.
--
Ronald Sommer

: With SP2 installed the pci card really isnt needed,youre MB IDE
controller
: should be fine.Also,if you do stick with maxtor,you probably need to
: configure
: it in the BIOS,resetting the CMOS would'nt hurt either.Also,setting aside
the
: old hd is/was a v.poor recomendation,set it as slave to new hd,or move to
: other IDE connection,set the jumper pins,then set as a paging file for
: virtual
: memory in xp.One other item,if the wdc hd is solo on a IDE cable,it uses
no
: jumper pins at all.
:
: "JohnH" wrote:
:
: > I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
is
: > older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
: > capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the old
: > drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the
old
: > and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to
be
: > installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
not
: > have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded
to
: > Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP upgrade
disk
: > as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may
need
: > to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
quick and
: > painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the
primary
: > IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.

 

[Ron Sommer]

The new disk needs a boot sector.
If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.

You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
--
Ronald Sommer

:I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
old
: drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
: uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
for
: a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the Windows ME
: restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
: advice would be greatly appreciated.
:
: "Rich Barry" wrote:
:
: > John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
there
: > will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
: > How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
it?
: > : > >I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
is
: > > older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
full
: > > capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
old
: > > drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the
old
: > > and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to
be
: > > installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
not
: > > have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded
to
: > > Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
upgrade
: > > disk
: > > as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may
: > > need
: > > to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
quick
: > > and
: > > painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the
: > > primary
: > > IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
: >
: >
: >

 

[Detlev Dreyer]

Large drives need SP 2 and a Bios that recognizes the large drive.

That depends. I've added a second internal IDE drive (160 GB) to this
computer (secondary IDE controller) and the BIOS recognized 136 GB only.
WinXP SP2, however, recognized the *full* capacity.

 

[Ron Sommer]

:
: > Large drives need SP 2 and a Bios that recognizes the large drive.
:
: That depends. I've added a second internal IDE drive (160 GB) to this
: computer (secondary IDE controller) and the BIOS recognized 136 GB only.
: WinXP SP2, however, recognized the *full* capacity.
:
: --
: d-d
There are enough things that can go wrong without gambling on this issue.
Keep the controller card.

 

[Detlev Dreyer]

There are enough things that can go wrong without gambling on this
issue.

Note that WinXP does not depend on the BIOS in contrast to Win9x/Me.

Keep the controller card.

I can't keep the controller card because I don't have such card. Wasted
money in that case!

 

[Anna]

How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
start-up.
Thanks for any help you can provide.

JohnH:
Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?

1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
right?

2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
controller card with no problems, right?

3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
boot & function without any problems if you do this?

Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
Anna

 

[Ron Sommer]

: >> : >> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
: >> is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
: >> full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied
the
: >> old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
: >> the
: >> old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
: >> to
: >> be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I
do
: >> not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
: >> upgraded
: >> to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
: >> upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
: >> that it may
: >> need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this
as
: >> quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
: >> the the
: >> primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
:
:
: > "Ron Sommer" wrote:
: >> The new disk needs a boot sector.
: >> If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
: >>
: >> You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
: >> --
: >> Ronald Sommer
:
:
: >> : >> I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from
the
: >> old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer
seemed
: >> uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be
asking
: >> for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
: >> Windows ME
: >> restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used?
Anymore
: >> advice would be greatly appreciated.
:
:
: >> "Rich Barry" wrote:
: >> John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
: >> there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
: >> How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
: >> it?
:
:
: : > How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
: > start-up.
: > Thanks for any help you can provide.
:
:
: JohnH:
: Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
:
: 1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any
problems
: when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk
capacity,
: right?
:
: 2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
: card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
: controller card with no problems, right?
:
: 3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy
the
: contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
: How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
: boot & function without any problems if you do this?
:
: Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
: the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying
over
: your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is
it
: too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
: Anna
:
:
If you start at the beginning, you will see:
I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
capacity of the HDD would be detected.

 

[Anna]

: >> : >> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My
motherboard
: >> is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
: >> full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied
the
: >> old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to
disconnect
: >> the
: >> old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot
disk
: >> to
: >> be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I
do
: >> not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
: >> upgraded
: >> to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
: >> upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital
states
: >> that it may
: >> need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this
as
: >> quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if
disabling
: >> the the
: >> primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
:
:
: > "Ron Sommer" wrote:
: >> The new disk needs a boot sector.
: >> If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
: >>
: >> You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
: >> --
: >> Ronald Sommer

: >> : >> I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from
the
: >> old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer
seemed
: >> uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be
asking
: >> for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
: >> Windows ME
: >> restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used?
Anymore
: >> advice would be greatly appreciated.

: >> "Rich Barry" wrote:
: >> John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
: >> there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
: >> How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or
clone
: >> it?

: : > How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
: > start-up.
: > Thanks for any help you can provide.

: JohnH:
: Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
:
: 1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any
problems
: when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk
capacity,
: right?
:
: 2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA
controller
: card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
: controller card with no problems, right?
:
: 3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy
the
: contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
: How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will
it
: boot & function without any problems if you do this?
:
: Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs
on
: the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying
over
: your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or
is
it
: too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA
HDD?
: Anna

If you start at the beginning, you will see:
I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
capacity of the HDD would be detected.

Ron:
I did originally notice that the OP referred to his new WD 160 GB HDD as an
"EIDE" HDD, however, since he also indicated that the controller card to
which he's connected that drive is a "Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card", I assumed
this was Maxtor's SATA/150 PCI controller card and that his WD HDD was, in
fact, WD's 160 GB SATA HDD. But I do now note that the Maxtor card does
contain ATA ports and it's reasonable to assume that his WD HDD is indeed a
PATA HDD and is connected to one of the card's ATA ports.

Be that as it may, my suggestion to the OP still stands. I think at this
point it would be best if he would fresh install the XP OS onto the new WD
HDD and go on from there along the lines I suggested.

I have the feeling that something went awry during his disk copying
operation and that probably accounts for the problem he's experiencing.
While he can repeat that operation with the WD or Maxtor program he
apparently used, I'm apprehensive that the same problem will reoccur. That
is why I suggested the approach I did in my post above, assuming as I
indicated, that this would be practical in his present circumstances.

If, on the other hand, John is able to solve his problem through the
Recovery Console commands that you suggested, all well & good.
Anna

 

[Guest]

If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
before doing this.

1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?

2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?

3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
leave on auto?

 

[John John]

Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
installation up and running again.

Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058

Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859

Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true

John

 

[Anna]

If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start
fresh
if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
before doing this.

1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed
in
the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me
disk?

2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?

3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or
just
leave on auto?

JohnH:
First of all I assume you've seen my exchange with Ron Sommer in this
thread. Just to verify...

The WD 160 GB is a PATA HDD - not a SATA HDD, right?
And you've properly connected & configured that disk to your Maxtor
controller card, right?
That HDD is detected by your motherboard's BIOS, right?

I honestly don't know if your XP "restore" CD will allow you to undertake a
fresh install of the XP OS. If it does have that capability, it's a virtual
certainty that you will need the Win Me installation CD to undertake the
install process. Anyway, it's worth a try. If it fails, so be it. Make sure
you disconnect your old HDD before undertaking a fresh install of the OS.

As to your question whether "to disable the motherboard IDE or just leave on
auto", I assume you're referring to the BIOS element re HDD recognition. In
virtually every case the "auto" designation is appropriate. But as I asked
above, your BIOS *does" recognize the WD 160 GB HDD, right?

Did you try invoking the Recovery Console commands suggested by Ron? I
assumed you had but it was still no go. If you haven't done so by now, do
so, and see what happens. I really don't think that will solve your present
problem but again, there's no harm in trying. And if it did work that would
simplify matters considerably, wouldn't it?

Anyway, if none of the above works I suppose your only recourse will be to
use the Maxtor or WD disk copying program again and give it another try.
Anna

 

[John John]

Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.

Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
suggested.

John

 

[John John]

It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
see if it can be made active in the context menu.

John

 

[John John]

Run both commands.

John

I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
and fixmbr.

:

 

[John John]

Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.

If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
out then the partition is probably active and ok.

John

 

[Guest]

I simply did not see the option at all. I went to my computer and right
clicked and selected manage. I the selected disk management and highlighted
the drive. The info I listed was from that and I also right clicked on it
and that option was not there. Am I in the wrong place to check that?