Network Connections x 2 PCs

[Guest]

Hi

My son and I share an "Always On" Cable Internet connection through a 4-port
hub and cable Network. I want the two computers to connect "locally" and
share Files, printers and a scanner (without scarificing the internet
sharing).
My efforts on creating this connection were, so far, fruitless.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
As I am not technically inclined, "how-to" sites would be of great assistance.

Thanks
Poltonis

Details of the two System:
----------------------------------------------------------
Intel Pentiums IIIE, 650 MHz
Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2
Network Card CNet Pro200 PCI Ethernet Adaptor
448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Award Software International, Inc.
Video RADEON 7000 SERIES(64 MB)
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB
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[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Hi

My son and I share an "Always On" Cable Internet connection through a 4-port
hub and cable Network. I want the two computers to connect "locally" and
share Files, printers and a scanner (without scarificing the internet
sharing).
My efforts on creating this connection were, so far, fruitless.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
As I am not technically inclined, "how-to" sites would be of great assistance.

Thanks
Poltonis

Details of the two System:
----------------------------------------------------------
Intel Pentiums IIIE, 650 MHz
Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2
Network Card CNet Pro200 PCI Ethernet Adaptor
448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Award Software International, Inc.
Video RADEON 7000 SERIES(64 MB)
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB

Do you have a network hub or a broadband router? The setup is quite
different for those devices. What's the make and model of your
device?

If you have a broadband router, run XP's Network Setup Wizard on both
computers. The Wizard will make all the necessary settings for
sharing Internet access, files and printers. If the Wizard detects
the router's shared Internet connection, tell it to use that
connection. Otherwise, tell it that the computers connect to the
Internet through a residential gateway.

If you have a hub, the setup depends on how many IP addresses you get
from your cable Internet provider.

If you have a hub and one IP address, connect the cable connection
directly to one computer and use Internet Connection Sharing to give
access to the other one. I've written a web page with details:

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics

If you have a hub and multiple IP addresses, the setup is more
complicated. Details to follow if requested.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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[Guest]

--
Rgds
Poltonis

Do you have a network hub or a broadband router? The setup is quite
different for those devices. What's the make and model of your
device?

If you have a broadband router, run XP's Network Setup Wizard on both
computers. The Wizard will make all the necessary settings for
sharing Internet access, files and printers. If the Wizard detects
the router's shared Internet connection, tell it to use that
connection. Otherwise, tell it that the computers connect to the
Internet through a residential gateway.

If you have a hub, the setup depends on how many IP addresses you get
from your cable Internet provider.

If you have a hub and one IP address, connect the cable connection
directly to one computer and use Internet Connection Sharing to give
access to the other one. I've written a web page with details:

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics

If you have a hub and multiple IP addresses, the setup is more
complicated. Details to follow if requested.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

============================
Thanks Steve : that was quite a handful for me!
This I know: it is a hub.
Regarding different IP addresses, I need to check about this.
You said ..."Details to follow if requested": pls give me some time to check.
Will you bookmark this post please, so that when I reply you would know.
Your time and patience is appreciated.

Best wishes
Poltonis

 

[Guest]

Do you have a network hub or a broadband router? The setup is quite
different for those devices. What's the make and model of your
device?

If you have a broadband router, run XP's Network Setup Wizard on both
computers. The Wizard will make all the necessary settings for
sharing Internet access, files and printers. If the Wizard detects
the router's shared Internet connection, tell it to use that
connection. Otherwise, tell it that the computers connect to the
Internet through a residential gateway.

If you have a hub, the setup depends on how many IP addresses you get
from your cable Internet provider.

If you have a hub and one IP address, connect the cable connection
directly to one computer and use Internet Connection Sharing to give
access to the other one. I've written a web page with details:

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics

If you have a hub and multiple IP addresses, the setup is more
complicated. Details to follow if requested.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

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Hello again Steve

My son (who is a bit more savvy than me) have confirmed that we have the
"more complicated setup" :hub and multiple IP addresses ( no wonder I
couldn't get it working!)
The IP addresses are assigned automatically by our Cable Interent Provider.

Please send us the details you mentioned.

Best Wishes
Poltonis

 

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[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Hi

My son and I share an "Always On" Cable Internet connection through a
4-port
hub and cable Network. I want the two computers to connect "locally" and
share Files, printers and a scanner (without scarificing the internet
sharing).
My efforts on creating this connection were, so far, fruitless.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
As I am not technically inclined, "how-to" sites would be of great
assistance.

Thanks
Poltonis

Details of the two System:
----------------------------------------------------------
Intel Pentiums IIIE, 650 MHz
Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2
Network Card CNet Pro200 PCI Ethernet Adaptor
448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Award Software International, Inc.
Video RADEON 7000 SERIES(64 MB)
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB

If you have a msn messenger enabled address (i.e. any hotmail address) then
add me into your contact list. This sort of thing is best handled with
instant messages than delayed newsgroups. [snip]

With all due respect, Jayso, I think that this problem is best handled
in this newsgroup. Poltonis posted the original question here, I've
been replying here, and other people all over the world can take part
in the discussion, help each other, and learn.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Hello again Steve

My son (who is a bit more savvy than me) have confirmed that we have the
"more complicated setup" :hub and multiple IP addresses ( no wonder I
couldn't get it working!)
The IP addresses are assigned automatically by our Cable Interent Provider.

Please send us the details you mentioned.

Best Wishes
Poltonis

Hello again, Poltonis. OK, here are the details. They apply to a
network setup where multiple computers receive individual public IP
addresses from a broadband provider through a network hub or switch.
They don't apply to the simpler and more common network setup where
multiple computers share a single public IP address through a
broadband router.

On each computer, install the IPX/SPX protocol for file sharing and
disable file sharing on TCP/IP. I've written a web page showing how
to do it:

Windows XP Network Protocols
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

There are two reasons to use IPX/SPX instead of TCP/IP for file
sharing with this setup:

1. If your cable or DSL provider assigns IP addresses in different
subnets to your computers, it isn't possible for them to communicate
with each other using TCP/IP.

2. Since your computers connect directly to the Internet through the
cable or DSL modem, they receive public IP addresses that are
accessible by everyone on the Internet. Using TCP/IP for file sharing
could let other people access your shared files.

Be sure to run a firewall on each computer.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Guest]

Whilst thanking you for your interest Jayso, I fully endorse what Steve has
asserted.
In this way, others can benefit from this wealth of knowledge. ( I myself
did a " search" before posting further questions on the matter.)
--
Rgds
Poltonis

Hi

My son and I share an "Always On" Cable Internet connection through a
4-port
hub and cable Network. I want the two computers to connect "locally" and
share Files, printers and a scanner (without scarificing the internet
sharing).
My efforts on creating this connection were, so far, fruitless.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
As I am not technically inclined, "how-to" sites would be of great
assistance.

Thanks
Poltonis

Details of the two System:
----------------------------------------------------------
Intel Pentiums IIIE, 650 MHz
Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2
Network Card CNet Pro200 PCI Ethernet Adaptor
448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Award Software International, Inc.
Video RADEON 7000 SERIES(64 MB)
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB

If you have a msn messenger enabled address (i.e. any hotmail address) then
add me into your contact list. This sort of thing is best handled with
instant messages than delayed newsgroups. [snip]

With all due respect, Jayso, I think that this problem is best handled
in this newsgroup. Poltonis posted the original question here, I've
been replying here, and other people all over the world can take part
in the discussion, help each other, and learn.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Guest]

--
Rgds
Poltonis

Hello again, Poltonis. OK, here are the details. They apply to a
network setup where multiple computers receive individual public IP
addresses from a broadband provider through a network hub or switch.
They don't apply to the simpler and more common network setup where
multiple computers share a single public IP address through a
broadband router.

On each computer, install the IPX/SPX protocol for file sharing and
disable file sharing on TCP/IP. I've written a web page showing how
to do it:

Windows XP Network Protocols
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

There are two reasons to use IPX/SPX instead of TCP/IP for file
sharing with this setup:

1. If your cable or DSL provider assigns IP addresses in different
subnets to your computers, it isn't possible for them to communicate
with each other using TCP/IP.

2. Since your computers connect directly to the Internet through the
cable or DSL modem, they receive public IP addresses that are
accessible by everyone on the Internet. Using TCP/IP for file sharing
could let other people access your shared files.

Be sure to run a firewall on each computer.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Hi

My son and I share an "Always On" Cable Internet connection through a 4-port
hub and cable Network. I want the two computers to connect "locally" and
share Files, printers and a scanner (without scarificing the internet
sharing).
My efforts on creating this connection were, so far, fruitless.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
As I am not technically inclined, "how-to" sites would be of great assistance.

Thanks
Poltonis

Details of the two System:
----------------------------------------------------------
Intel Pentiums IIIE, 650 MHz
Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2
Network Card CNet Pro200 PCI Ethernet Adaptor
448 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Award Software International, Inc.
Video RADEON 7000 SERIES(64 MB)
USB1 Controller VIA VT83C572 PCI-USB

On the WinXP computers, create local user account(s), with non-blank
password(s), that have the desired access privileges to the desired
shares. Log on to the other PCs using those account(s), and you will be
able to access the designated shares, provided your network is
configured properly. Also, if running WinXP SP1 or later, make sure
that WinXP's built-in firewall is disabled on the internal LAN
connection. If using WinXP SP2, make sure that you've either disabled
the built-in firewall, or set the firewall to allow file and print sharing.

Usually, WinXP's Networking Wizard makes it simple and painless --
almost entirely automatic, in fact. There's a lot of useful,
easy-to-follow information in WinXP's Help & Support files, and here:

Home Networking
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/howto/homenet/default.asp

Networking Information
http://www.onecomputerguy.com/networking.htm

PracticallyNetworked Home
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/index.htm

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Guest]

--
Rgds
Poltonis

On the WinXP computers, create local user account(s), with non-blank
password(s), that have the desired access privileges to the desired
shares. Log on to the other PCs using those account(s), and you will be
able to access the designated shares, provided your network is
configured properly. Also, if running WinXP SP1 or later, make sure
that WinXP's built-in firewall is disabled on the internal LAN
connection. If using WinXP SP2, make sure that you've either disabled
the built-in firewall, or set the firewall to allow file and print sharing.

Usually, WinXP's Networking Wizard makes it simple and painless --
almost entirely automatic, in fact. There's a lot of useful,
easy-to-follow information in WinXP's Help & Support files, and here:

Home Networking
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/howto/homenet/default.asp

Networking Information
http://www.onecomputerguy.com/networking.htm

PracticallyNetworked Home
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/index.htm

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Guest]

Hi Steve: hope you will be reading this.
So far, we did manage to BOTH have the Local Network and Internet Sharing
working simulteanously on the two PCs.
There is no problem with Internet Connection. On the Network, we can see
each other's PC, but unable to log on each other's pc. On my system the error
is:
"Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested logon type at
this computer." I did a Google search on this message but it's too technical
for me.
(Your webpage was very straighforward though). Do you have some practical
explanation as to what is "keeping the door shut"?

I spent a lot of time inspecting each item in the Windows Services section,
but only a few are disabled.

Tks
Look forward to your reply.

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Hi Steve: hope you will be reading this.
So far, we did manage to BOTH have the Local Network and Internet Sharing
working simulteanously on the two PCs.
There is no problem with Internet Connection. On the Network, we can see
each other's PC, but unable to log on each other's pc. On my system the error
is:
"Logon failure: the user has not been granted the requested logon type at
this computer." I did a Google search on this message but it's too technical
for me.
(Your webpage was very straighforward though). Do you have some practical
explanation as to what is "keeping the door shut"?

I spent a lot of time inspecting each item in the Windows Services section,
but only a few are disabled.

Tks
Look forward to your reply.

Hi, Poltonis. I've been waiting for your reply. Now, I can go to
bed.

Here's how to fix the logon problem. On each computer:

1. Click Start | Run, type "secpol.msc" in the box, and click OK.
2. Click Local Policies.
3. Click User Rights Assignment.
4. Click "Access this computer from the network" and make sure that
the Everyone group is included.
5. Click "Deny access to this computer from the network" and make sure
that the Everyone group is NOT included.

Once again, be sure to run a firewall program on each computer to
protect it from access by hackers on the Internet.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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[Guest]

Hi Steve: update so far in our Home Network saga

Managed to fix the logon problem on 1 computer only.
We followed your last instructions and PC no.2 (my son's Mark)
is now able to connect to the Internet and also see my PC (No.1)
- also to open the My Shared Folder, My Shared Printer, etc.

On my PC (No.1), I can connect to the Internet and SEE the two
Computer icons on the Network in our "WorkGroup". Clicking on my
PC icon there is no restrictions, but when clicking on PC2, keep
getting the (LOGON failure: the user has not been granted the requested
logon type at this computer).

I take it that some settings on PC2 is barring me from accessing it.

(Note: on both PCs we created User Accounts with passwords. Also tried
disconnecting the Internet Modem, disabled all our Firewalls, but still
the above logon failure comes up. Both PC are WInXP Pro systems.)

You have been very patient with assisting in this problem and if you can
still manage a few more solutions... well, you obviously live is the US
and I am in Malta, so buying you a beer would be difficult...but would
be very grateful if you can solve this.

Best wishes
Poltonis

(It's now 16:22 in Malta - Wed 17 Aug)

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Hi Steve: update so far in our Home Network saga

Managed to fix the logon problem on 1 computer only.
We followed your last instructions and PC no.2 (my son's Mark)
is now able to connect to the Internet and also see my PC (No.1)
- also to open the My Shared Folder, My Shared Printer, etc.

On my PC (No.1), I can connect to the Internet and SEE the two
Computer icons on the Network in our "WorkGroup". Clicking on my
PC icon there is no restrictions, but when clicking on PC2, keep
getting the (LOGON failure: the user has not been granted the requested
logon type at this computer).

I take it that some settings on PC2 is barring me from accessing it.

(Note: on both PCs we created User Accounts with passwords. Also tried
disconnecting the Internet Modem, disabled all our Firewalls, but still
the above logon failure comes up. Both PC are WInXP Pro systems.)

You have been very patient with assisting in this problem and if you can
still manage a few more solutions... well, you obviously live is the US
and I am in Malta, so buying you a beer would be difficult...but would
be very grateful if you can solve this.

Best wishes
Poltonis

Enable the firewalls! It's dangerous to connect to the Internet, for
even a brief time, without firewalls. Firewalls have no effect on
file sharing on your network, since you're using the IPX/SPX protocol.

Please double-check the settings that I gave and make sure that
they're set up properly on PC2. Both computers need those settings,
and they worked right on PC1.

Create matching user accounts (same user name and password) on both
computers.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Guest]

Enable the firewalls! It's dangerous to connect to the Internet, for
even a brief time, without firewalls. Firewalls have no effect on
file sharing on your network, since you're using the IPX/SPX protocol.

Please double-check the settings that I gave and make sure that
they're set up properly on PC2. Both computers need those settings,
and they worked right on PC1.

Create matching user accounts (same user name and password) on both
computers.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
=============================================

Hello Steve: pls excuse the delay in replying, but my son was not
immediately available to set up the "test" user Account. Well, finally we got
through with the matching User and Password Account - no more error messages
in logging in.

Your tips and expert guidance is very much appreciated Steve: "thank you!"
Now that the Network is accessible, perhaps I can continue to try and
eliminate the login error from my main User Account.

Best Wishes
Poltonis

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Hello Steve: pls excuse the delay in replying, but my son was not
immediately available to set up the "test" user Account. Well, finally we got
through with the matching User and Password Account - no more error messages
in logging in.

Your tips and expert guidance is very much appreciated Steve: "thank you!"
Now that the Network is accessible, perhaps I can continue to try and
eliminate the login error from my main User Account.

Best Wishes
Poltonis

Do I understand that the "test" account is now working right, but your
main one isn't?

If so, go to Start | Run, type "lusrmgr.msc" in the box, and click OK.
Make sure that your account is a member of the Users group and the
Administrators group.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Guest]

Do I understand that the "test" account is now working right, but your
main one isn't?

If so, go to Start | Run, type "lusrmgr.msc" in the box, and click OK.
Make sure that your account is a member of the Users group and the
Administrators group.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
------------------------------------------------

Yes Steve, the test account is working perfectly on the two PCs.
It's only on my PC (1) that the other two Administrative Accounts can't log
on.
I rechecked the settings as you directed and both Admin Accounts are listed
under the Administrators Group.

Regards
Poltonis