Netscape: font size

Guest · Apr 21, 2004

re: www.geocities.com/fidelio1st/film.ht

The font size appears smaller in Netscape than in IE.
Someone mentioned it may just be a display option, but
I've tried my site, as well as others, on several
different computers, and the font size in Netscape is
always smaller.

In Frontpage, when I set Font Size to say 10pt, there is
a number 1. 2 for 12pt, 3 for 14pt, in the drop down
window. I'm wondering if possibly there is code here
confusing Netscape

Do you know code that would allow the font to be 10 pt in
IE and Netscape and look the same size? On my website,
the part I'm most concerned with is the right
frame "indexright", and the list of films under reviews.
On Netscape, it's too small to read, but I don't want to
make it 12pt because then on IE it's too big

Thanks for any suggestions.

Thomas A. Rowe · Apr 21, 2004

This is normal.

You would have to use CSS to specific the font in pixels, I believe or just don't worry about it.

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Jon Spivey · Apr 21, 2004

Even with CSS font sizes will always be a tad smaller - the 1 guy using
Netscape probably won't notice

Thomas A. Rowe · Apr 21, 2004

People that are use to using a certain browser or version will be accustom to seeing sites in the
way that their browser render them and not know any different until one day they use another
PC/Browser.

In many cases it not worth the effort to compensate for any very small differences between how
browser renders pages.

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?= · Apr 21, 2004

I think there's actually 4 guys using Netscrape and 2 using Mozilla now.

| Even with CSS font sizes will always be a tad smaller - the 1 guy using
| Netscape probably won't notice

Mark Fitzpatrick · Apr 21, 2004

Netscape renders fonts in a different way that IE. This may cause the font
size to appear off. There are seven standard font sizes for use with the
HTML <font> tag (1 through 7). FP doesn't add anything extra to this, just
sets it as <font size="2"> or whatever. The 12pt, 14pt, etc. are simply just
added for the users benefit so that the average user who doesn't know the
underlying HTML has a rought guess as to what size the fonts may display.
Even though the standards may say to render it at a certain size (like 2 is
12 pt), there are still variations in the rendering engines themselves and
how they render the fonts. Basically, there isn't anything you'll really be
able to do to overcome this without creating buckets of work for yourself to
support an almost dead browser.

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

David Baxter · Apr 21, 2004

The almost dead ISP, AOL, has just announced plans to release a new
version of the almost dead browser, Netscape. When I read this, I was
almost excited. For almost a second. By then, my coffee was ready...

Guest · Apr 21, 2004

I actually don't mind a little work. I know people that still use Netscape, and I want to make my site as compatible as possible. It kind of upsets me that Front Page didn't take cross-browser compatibility into consideration...but I won't even get into that arguement.

Thomas A. Rowe · Apr 21, 2004

The font issue is not a FP issue.

It is fairly easy to built sites with FP that work in all major browsers, you as the
developer/design have to know or learn what features or technology to use or not use.

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Fidelio said:
I actually don't mind a little work. I know people that still use Netscape, and I want to make my

site as compatible as possible. It kind of upsets me that Front Page didn't take cross-browser
compatibility into consideration...but I won't even get into that arguement.

Stefan B Rusynko · Apr 21, 2004

See response in your duplicate post in the programming newsgroup

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| re: www.geocities.com/fidelio1st/film.htm
|
| The font size appears smaller in Netscape than in IE.
| Someone mentioned it may just be a display option, but
| I've tried my site, as well as others, on several
| different computers, and the font size in Netscape is
| always smaller.
|
| In Frontpage, when I set Font Size to say 10pt, there is
| a number 1. 2 for 12pt, 3 for 14pt, in the drop down
| window. I'm wondering if possibly there is code here
| confusing Netscape.
|
| Do you know code that would allow the font to be 10 pt in
| IE and Netscape and look the same size? On my website,
| the part I'm most concerned with is the right
| frame "indexright", and the list of films under reviews.
| On Netscape, it's too small to read, but I don't want to
| make it 12pt because then on IE it's too big.
|
| Thanks for any suggestions.

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?= · Apr 21, 2004

boy people really like to pick on FP don't they.
what's next? will they start blaming FP for incorrect Gamma settings?

| The font issue is not a FP issue.
|
| It is fairly easy to built sites with FP that work in all major browsers, you as the
| developer/design have to know or learn what features or technology to use or not use.
|
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| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | > I actually don't mind a little work. I know people that still use Netscape, and I want to make my
| site as compatible as possible. It kind of upsets me that Front Page didn't take cross-browser
| compatibility into consideration...but I won't even get into that arguement.
|
|

Thomas A. Rowe · Apr 21, 2004

Yep!

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boy people really like to pick on FP don't they.
what's next? will they start blaming FP for incorrect Gamma settings?

| The font issue is not a FP issue.
|
| It is fairly easy to built sites with FP that work in all major browsers, you as the
| developer/design have to know or learn what features or technology to use or not use.
|
| --
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
|
| FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | > I actually don't mind a little work. I know people that still use Netscape, and I want to make
my
| site as compatible as possible. It kind of upsets me that Front Page didn't take cross-browser
| compatibility into consideration...but I won't even get into that arguement.
|
|

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?= · Apr 21, 2004

yah know..I REALLY don't wanna bash noobs but jeez people really should read SOMETHING about website design, html, ecc. before blaming the tools they use.

I paid 600 smackers for Photoshop and it doesn't a few things I would like it to.

| Yep!
|
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| FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | boy people really like to pick on FP don't they.
| what's next? will they start blaming FP for incorrect Gamma settings?
|
|
| | The font issue is not a FP issue.
| |
| | It is fairly easy to built sites with FP that work in all major browsers, you as the
| | developer/design have to know or learn what features or technology to use or not use.
| |
| | --
| | ==============================================
| | Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| | WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| |
| | FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| | ==============================================
| | To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| |
| | | | > I actually don't mind a little work. I know people that still use Netscape, and I want to make
| my
| | site as compatible as possible. It kind of upsets me that Front Page didn't take cross-browser
| | compatibility into consideration...but I won't even get into that arguement.
| |
| |
|
|

chris leeds · Apr 22, 2004

it's you and me with mozilla. ;-)

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I think there's actually 4 guys using Netscrape and 2 using Mozilla now.

| Even with CSS font sizes will always be a tad smaller - the 1 guy using
| Netscape probably won't notice

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?= · Apr 22, 2004

yah, and as cool as it is I don't use it much.
netscrape I never liked, so I don't have it on my machine.

| it's you and me with mozilla. ;-)
|
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| | I think there's actually 4 guys using Netscrape and 2 using Mozilla now.
|
|
| | | Even with CSS font sizes will always be a tad smaller - the 1 guy using
| | Netscape probably won't notice

chris leeds · Apr 22, 2004

On my main machine I only use it for checking against what I'm making. on
my laptop I use it more. I have sometimes used it to get into pages that I
couldn't with IE(doesn't happen much) but I'd say I use explorer 90%+

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yah, and as cool as it is I don't use it much.
netscrape I never liked, so I don't have it on my machine.

| it's you and me with mozilla. ;-)
|
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| spam.
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| | I think there's actually 4 guys using Netscrape and 2 using Mozilla now.
|
|
| | | Even with CSS font sizes will always be a tad smaller - the 1 guy using
| | Netscape probably won't notice

Guest · Apr 22, 2004

I'm just here trying to ask for help with Fonts. I don't mean to criticize FP. But you say I have to know which features to use and not use...well, when they programmed FP, maybe they should have taken that into consideration with other browsers. This is supposed to be a program for creating websites. But if you can't create a website that has all browser compatibility, then what is the program good for? You can't use it for professional websites, because businesses need to have cross-compatability

It seems as though most or some of you may work for MS, so I understand why you may take offense to criticism. And I really do appreciate the help I receive on here.

But I do believe that if the creators of FP would have taken these things into consideration, I wouldn't need help. The whole point of my using FP is because I'm not very html literate, and don't really aspire to be. I use FP because I don't like writing html, I like laying things out easily, the way FP allows me to.

chris leeds · Apr 22, 2004

everybody has the potential to be "sensitive".
the fact is that it's nearly impossible to make something look "identical"
in every browser.

Post a link to your offending page and someone will look at it and tell you
where it's going south on ya.

HTH

PS, I don't work for MS......too stupid I suppose. ;-)

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Fidelio said:
I'm just here trying to ask for help with Fonts. I don't mean to

criticize FP. But you say I have to know which features to use and not
use...well, when they programmed FP, maybe they should have taken that into
consideration with other browsers. This is supposed to be a program for
creating websites. But if you can't create a website that has all browser
compatibility, then what is the program good for? You can't use it for
professional websites, because businesses need to have cross-compatability.

It seems as though most or some of you may work for MS, so I understand

why you may take offense to criticism. And I really do appreciate the help
I receive on here.

But I do believe that if the creators of FP would have taken these things

into consideration, I wouldn't need help. The whole point of my using FP is
because I'm not very html literate, and don't really aspire to be. I use FP
because I don't like writing html, I like laying things out easily, the way
FP allows me to.

Thomas A. Rowe · Apr 22, 2004

I don't work for MS, and I can build sites with FP the work fairly well in all major browsers.
However as for the font issue, it is controlled by the specific browser/version.

To get the font size to appear as close as possible across browsers/version, requires you to learn
to use CSS. but you will still see slight differences.

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Fidelio said:
I'm just here trying to ask for help with Fonts. I don't mean to criticize FP. But you say I

have to know which features to use and not use...well, when they programmed FP, maybe they should
have taken that into consideration with other browsers. This is supposed to be a program for
creating websites. But if you can't create a website that has all browser compatibility, then what
is the program good for? You can't use it for professional websites, because businesses need to
have cross-compatability.

It seems as though most or some of you may work for MS, so I understand why you may take offense

to criticism. And I really do appreciate the help I receive on here.

But I do believe that if the creators of FP would have taken these things into consideration, I

wouldn't need help. The whole point of my using FP is because I'm not very html literate, and don't
really aspire to be. I use FP because I don't like writing html, I like laying things out easily,
the way FP allows me to.

=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?= · Apr 22, 2004

there isn't a program out there that can do what you expect.

in fact it's incredibly difficult to do it manually...there are just too many variables to acheive 100% compatiblity - or should I say uniformity of appearance on all viewing machines & browsers.

you have to compromise.

| I'm just here trying to ask for help with Fonts. I don't mean to criticize FP. But you say I have to know which features to use and not use...well, when they programmed FP, maybe they should have taken that into consideration with other browsers. This is supposed to be a program for creating websites. But if you can't create a website that has all browser compatibility, then what is the program good for? You can't use it for professional websites, because businesses need to have cross-compatability.
|
| It seems as though most or some of you may work for MS, so I understand why you may take offense to criticism. And I really do appreciate the help I receive on here.
|
| But I do believe that if the creators of FP would have taken these things into consideration, I wouldn't need help. The whole point of my using FP is because I'm not very html literate, and don't really aspire to be. I use FP because I don't like writing html, I like laying things out easily, the way FP allows me to.

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