Netiquette Guidelines

[T. Waters]

Torgier is a veritable earthly deity.
And thanks for the lead to OE-Qotefix.

 

[T. Waters]

I would put humor above politeness any day.
Politeness is often a means of denial, which gets in the way of
communication.

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "kurttrail" <[email protected]>

|
| Like OE 6. It is my understanding that there will be little or no
| change at all to OE with the introduction of IE7.
|
| And I use OE Quotefix to make it easier to bottom-post.
|
| A couple of years ago, we had a virtual war in this group over top vs.
| bottom, and at the time I was a top poster, but I mainly argued that it
| should be whatever the each poster is confortable, but a MVP who was
| advocating bottom posting, but was level-headed about it, got me
| thinking, and it was not too long after that, that I started bottom
| posting. I still think each person should decide what right for
| themselves, but that MVP has had my respect ever since, but I don't
| think that their are too many that don't respect Torgeir around here.
|
| --
| Peace!
| Kurt
| Self-anointed Moderator
| microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
| http://microscum.com/mscommunity
| "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
| "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
|

Torgeir Bakken is #1 in my book !

FidoLook is better than OE QutoeFix because you can view yEnc files and add to the Header as
needed. That's how I insert an XFace now. The only problem is that its has NO help files
and setting it up is not for the novice.

 

[kurttrail]

You know what I think, Kurt?

LOL! My psychic abilities are on hiatus for this month.

If I say "Yes", you will say "No"
If I say "No", you will say "Yes"

Maybe, but it would depend on what you were saying yes or no to.

If I say "black", you will say "white"
If I say "white", you will say "black"
et cetera ad nauseum

You are saying that I would disagree with you just to be disagreeable
and would say the that black is white just to be disagreeable. Please
show one instance where I purposely did such a thing. But in my
voluminuos USENET writings I doubt you'll one serious post where I do
anything like that.

I disagree when I actually disagree, and I usually explain why I
disagree in minute detail.

Having been raised in such a way that if I failed to be polite, I got
cuffed by the Old Man, I am now polite as an ingrained habit.

Yeah, I was raised like that too, but then I learned that the old man
cared more about the show, than the truth, and I became my own man.

I find
now that going against that habit is quite difficult.

Much like Pavlov's dogs could not control salivating when they heard a
bell ring. You are conditioned to conform. I learned long ago to think
independently in spite of the conditioning of my youth.

So may that is why it appears to you that I am just disagreeing with you
for the sake of the disagreement, when it is actually a clash of
mindsets. Conformity vs. Free Thought.

I like being polite.

How would you really know, as you already admitted that it was a learned
response of your cuffings as a youth?

I feel much better about myself when I am
polite. I also feel much better about others if they are polite.

Again. You like it when others are conformists like yourself. I see
why you are confortable in Christianty. It is all about conformity.
The Gospel of Saul.

If humanity went around "expressing themselves as they feel" all the
time, we would have anarchy and trouble on every side.

LOL! What utter Bullsh*t! You need to learn some history boy. Start
off with the Continental Congress and their meeting prior to July 4,
1776. They didn't mince words with each other.

Democrary, as created under the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights
is about the freedom of expression.

Now go look back at the history of fascism and communism. They were the
ones that want people to conform to some ideal. Wanted to control free
expression!

Politeness is the lubricant which keeps Society working together.

LOL! Said like a true patriot of conformist authoritarianism!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[kurttrail]

Torgeir Bakken is #1 in my book !

FidoLook is better than OE QutoeFix because you can view yEnc files
and add to the Header as needed. That's how I insert an XFace now.
The only problem is that its has NO help files and setting it up is
not for the novice.

I've been using OE QuoteFix for a couple of years, and I use Agent for
binary newsgroups that need yEnc and header manipulation. OE really is
a slug when it comes to binaries, but with plugins, is a pretty good
text reader.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Woody]

personally , i hate bottom posters more than top posters . theres nothing
like scrolling through an entire thread to read some dribble at the bottom .
at least top posters put you out of your misery sooner .

 

[Lil' Dave]

You know what I think, Kurt?
If I say "Yes", you will say "No"
If I say "No", you will say "Yes"
If I say "black", you will say "white"
If I say "white", you will say "black"
et cetera ad nauseum

Having been raised in such a way that if I failed to be polite, I got cuffed
by the Old Man, I am now polite as an ingrained habit. I find now that
going against that habit is quite difficult.

I like being polite. I feel much better about myself when I am polite. I
also feel much better about others if they are polite.

If humanity went around "expressing themselves as they feel" all the time,
we would have anarchy and trouble on every side.

Politeness is the lubricant which keeps Society working together.

--
Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread,
so that the thread may be kept intact.
==============================

There are ways of being somewhat polite, and expressing an emmotional
opinion at the same time. Its a manner of degree of politeness. If life
was black and white, this/not that all the time, life would be no fun and
uninteresting. Thus interest in the way others express themselves remains
for most people. This makes human interaction much more interesting.
Excessive politeness not only insinuates being condescending, it also forces
the recepient of the politeness to ponder what your meaning actually is,
which leads to misunderstandings. If you don't want human emmotion, go read
a factual book or a MS KB article.

I was raised in the same polite environment you mentioned, but I grew in a
different direction in my adulthood. So, I still have ingrained politeness,
but am aware of its consequences and appearances that other people (the
recepients of the politeness) may view otherwise.

 

[Lil' Dave]

LOL! My psychic abilities are on hiatus for this month.


Maybe, but it would depend on what you were saying yes or no to.


You are saying that I would disagree with you just to be disagreeable

Interpret and indicate that interpretation, but don't indicate that your
interpretation is correct. You may be wrong in some cases.

and would say the that black is white just to be disagreeable. Please
show one instance where I purposely did such a thing. But in my
voluminuos USENET writings I doubt you'll one serious post where I do
anything like that.

I disagree when I actually disagree, and I usually explain why I
disagree in minute detail.


Yeah, I was raised like that too, but then I learned that the old man
cared more about the show, than the truth, and I became my own man.


Much like Pavlov's dogs could not control salivating when they heard a
bell ring. You are conditioned to conform. I learned long ago to think
independently in spite of the conditioning of my youth.

An objective example without adding the attack on the person is adequate.

So may that is why it appears to you that I am just disagreeing with you
for the sake of the disagreement, when it is actually a clash of
mindsets. Conformity vs. Free Thought.


How would you really know, as you already admitted that it was a learned
response of your cuffings as a youth?

This is an example of a personal attack. It should be ignored. An
objective example should be used to make the point, not a personal attack.

Again. You like it when others are conformists like yourself. I see
why you are confortable in Christianty. It is all about conformity.
The Gospel of Saul.

Personal attack.

LOL! What utter Bullsh*t! You need to learn some history boy. Start
off with the Continental Congress and their meeting prior to July 4,
1776. They didn't mince words with each other.

Personal attack.

Democrary, as created under the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights
is about the freedom of expression.

Now go look back at the history of fascism and communism. They were the
ones that want people to conform to some ideal. Wanted to control free
expression!


LOL! Said like a true patriot of conformist authoritarianism!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

As you can easily see, replying mid-post is probably best in many cases.
Imagine if I put all those replies down here. (Your first the thought would
probably be "what the heck is he talking about?). This thread is a good
example of what was right and wrong with the material provided by the
original post.

 

[kurttrail]

Interpret and indicate that interpretation, but don't indicate that
your interpretation is correct. You may be wrong in some cases.

What the hell does this have to do with what I wrote? Where do I
indicate that my interpretation is correct?

An objective example without adding the attack on the person is
adequate.

Again what are you talking about?

This is an example of a personal attack.

No it is not, it was a question that pointed back to what was said by
the person the question is directed to, showing the apparent
contradiction between his two statements.

"I like being polite."

"Having been raised in such a way that if I failed to be polite, I got
cuffed by the Old Man, I am now polite as an ingrained habit."

It should be ignored.

That would be your opinion. Again it was in no way an attack, but a
question.

An
objective example should be used to make the point, not a personal
attack.

What don't you understand that it was a question?

Personal attack.

No. I pointed out that he would be more comfortable if every one was
like him, and tied that back to his Christian beliefs. You see,
"Jaysus" was not much of a conformist, in fact, much of what he preached
was an attack on the keepers of the status quo, the Pharisees and
Sadducees

Personal attack.

LOL! No, it was pointing out how I felt about "If humanity went around
"expressing themselves as they feel" all the time, we would have anarchy
and trouble on every side."

That IDEA is utter Bullsh*t! Then I went on to explain why.

As you can easily see, replying mid-post is probably best in many
cases.

Until the thread grows. Then it becomes tens of different thoughts.
For clarity, it would probably be best to snip each different though you
are replying to and respond to each on in a different post. I sure as
hell won't do it, but that is what I think would probably be best.

Imagine if I put all those replies down here. (Your first the
thought would probably be "what the heck is he talking about?).

Actually, that is a close approximation of my first response to you.

This
thread is a good example of what was right and wrong with the
material provided by the original post.

No, it is a good example of a totally off-topic thread that has no
meaning to the group as a whole.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"