Need some ATI software advice for Radeon 8500DV

[CaptMike]

I recently rebuilt my PC using parts from two setups because one
motherboard died. Anyway, my prefered primary video card is a ATI
All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500DV which I know is not the state of the art,
but I'm not a gamer anyway. My secondary monitor is driven by a
Matrox millennium G200, and what I'd like to do is output my TV
function to a good old Amiga monitor which has RCA video//audio inputs
if that would work. I could live with video embedded in the PC
monitors, but I always disliked the fact that the video had to be
displayed on the primary monitor and could not be slid over to the 2nd
display. Maybe they changed that? Whatever.

OK, so here's the main problem. I tried using my original ATI CD to
load all the drivers to get the TV function, DVR, separate monitor and
such installed and maybe because W2K has had so many updates (?) and
service packs... the CD would not properly install. I was able to use
the video drivers from the CD but nothing else, and I know that those
are at least three years old.

When I go to the ATI support page, I can't find any reference to the
Radeon 8500 DV and the loads of software there caution you about using
this software with the wrong device. So what I need to know is
whether there's a link to complete software bundles for discontinued
models like the 8500DV... or that I can safely use the latest and
greatest software even though my video card is not listed there.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Mike

 

[Gordon Scott]

I recently rebuilt my PC using parts from two setups because one
motherboard died. Anyway, my prefered primary video card is a ATI
All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500DV which I know is not the state of the art,
but I'm not a gamer anyway. My secondary monitor is driven by a
Matrox millennium G200, and what I'd like to do is output my TV
function to a good old Amiga monitor which has RCA video//audio inputs
if that would work. I could live with video embedded in the PC
monitors, but I always disliked the fact that the video had to be
displayed on the primary monitor and could not be slid over to the 2nd
display. Maybe they changed that? Whatever.

OK, so here's the main problem. I tried using my original ATI CD to
load all the drivers to get the TV function, DVR, separate monitor and
such installed and maybe because W2K has had so many updates (?) and
service packs... the CD would not properly install. I was able to use
the video drivers from the CD but nothing else, and I know that those
are at least three years old.

When I go to the ATI support page, I can't find any reference to the
Radeon 8500 DV and the loads of software there caution you about using
this software with the wrong device. So what I need to know is
whether there's a link to complete software bundles for discontinued
models like the 8500DV... or that I can safely use the latest and
greatest software even though my video card is not listed there.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Mike

I use the 6.14.10.6517 drivers (cat 5.3) and MMC 9.02

 

[CaptMike]

Hey Gordon...

Thanks for the help. I fished around the ATI site and finally DL'd
the Cat 5.4 driver, plus MMC 9.08. I have the video on the screen now
and it looks pretty good. My ATI remote doesn't seem to work
though... and for some reason, I'm not getting any audio. My sound
card is a Sound Blaster LIVE! 5.1 so I'm a little confused as to where
the jacks go. Coming out of the video card you have the green jack
which is a piggy-back for another jack, and a blue one which I'm not
sure what it is. My main manual is buried some place in my basement
and all I have handy is MMC User's Guide. Of course, there's no
diagrams in there either.

My speaker system is a Yamaha YST35D USB connect 3-piece setup with a
sub along with a right and left. The Yamaha panel has two (2) output
cables along with the USB. I can play music off my HDD, but I'm not
getting anything fromt he TV signal.

I guess I'm going to have to open up a few boxes to see if I can find
the SB and ATI main manuals, because I know that when I had this card
in the older system, I was able to use the remote... plus I had
awesome sound.

Mike

 

[T Shadow]

My main manual is buried some place in my basement
and all I have handy is MMC User's Guide. Of course, there's no
diagrams in there either.

My speaker system is a Yamaha YST35D USB connect 3-piece setup with a
sub along with a right and left. The Yamaha panel has two (2) output
cables along with the USB. I can play music off my HDD, but I'm not
getting anything fromt he TV signal.

I guess I'm going to have to open up a few boxes to see if I can find
the SB and ATI main manuals, because I know that when I had this card
in the older system, I was able to use the remote... plus I had
awesome sound.

Mike

The ATI manuals should be on the CD in PDF format. IIRC so is the SB.

 

[Gordon Scott]

Hey Gordon...

Thanks for the help. I fished around the ATI site and finally DL'd
the Cat 5.4 driver, plus MMC 9.08. I have the video on the screen now
and it looks pretty good. My ATI remote doesn't seem to work
though... and for some reason, I'm not getting any audio. My sound
card is a Sound Blaster LIVE! 5.1 so I'm a little confused as to where
the jacks go. Coming out of the video card you have the green jack
which is a piggy-back for another jack, and a blue one which I'm not
sure what it is. My main manual is buried some place in my basement
and all I have handy is MMC User's Guide. Of course, there's no
diagrams in there either.

My speaker system is a Yamaha YST35D USB connect 3-piece setup with a
sub along with a right and left. The Yamaha panel has two (2) output
cables along with the USB. I can play music off my HDD, but I'm not
getting anything fromt he TV signal.

I guess I'm going to have to open up a few boxes to see if I can find
the SB and ATI main manuals, because I know that when I had this card
in the older system, I was able to use the remote... plus I had
awesome sound.

Mike

hi

I plug my sound in to the mic input, so the blue jack goes into the pink
input on the Sb card, I have this input split with a Y adapter.

the other piggy back green goes into the next hole (prolly line in?) its
hard to see the back of my pc.

there are manuals online for both products
http://www2.ati.com/manuals/awra8575.pdf

your remote wonder should work, get the latest 3.02 drivers i think.

 

[Jacobdrj]

Hi. I am useing the latest drivers for my 8500DV. My 8500DV is my
main card, and I have been happily useing it for a long time. I have
found that I don't need to use the breakout box/piggyback cables at
all. Internaly, you can use a white-connector CD audio cable, and
connect that directly to an auxillury CD input on your sound card. I
am useing my motherboard's onboard sound, and I find that it is working
just fine for my needs.

As a side note, you need to make sure to take good care of the 8500DV's
fan. Keep it clean, because there are no replacements for it.

jacobdrj

 

[CaptMike]

Guys...

Sorry for the delay in responding, but the holidays kept me busy.

Just want to note that I am using the v.9.08 MMC and its apparently
working fine although I haven't explored anything other than the TV
function. I'm using the latest video drivers as well. What I haven't
been able to do is get the remote control working and I suspect
there's a software patch for that too?

While I haven't seen any video hiccups, when I reboot I always get a
popup error noting that a mscoree.dll file cannot be found. Is this
something that is ATI related?

BTW... Happy New Year and thanks for all the help!

Mike

 

[Gordon Scott]

Guys...

Sorry for the delay in responding, but the holidays kept me busy.

Just want to note that I am using the v.9.08 MMC and its apparently
working fine although I haven't explored anything other than the TV
function. I'm using the latest video drivers as well. What I haven't
been able to do is get the remote control working and I suspect
there's a software patch for that too?

While I haven't seen any video hiccups, when I reboot I always get a
popup error noting that a mscoree.dll file cannot be found. Is this
something that is ATI related?

BTW... Happy New Year and thanks for all the help!

Mike

google that filename, part of the .NET framework

 

[captmikey]

Gordo...

Yeah I did do that but I don't understand what the Net framework is or
why I need it. It's all over my head... could you or someone explain
what it's all about? Is there something else I need to install or
delete to stop that error from appearing?

Right now, my card and TV function is working fine, but I'd like to
know if there's anything special I have to do to get the remote
working again with this new software.

I haven't tried the video record function yet. I hope to try and
record some screen shots from a Nintendo NES (prototype) cartridge
before I post it on eBay.

Mike

 

[Gordon Scott]

Gordo...

Yeah I did do that but I don't understand what the Net framework is or
why I need it. It's all over my head... could you or someone explain
what it's all about? Is there something else I need to install or
delete to stop that error from appearing?

Right now, my card and TV function is working fine, but I'd like to
know if there's anything special I have to do to get the remote
working again with this new software.

I haven't tried the video record function yet. I hope to try and
record some screen shots from a Nintendo NES (prototype) cartridge
before I post it on eBay.

Mike

well..

..net is a necessary item if you install the CCC (catalyst control panel)
version of the ati drivers. personaly I dont and wont use it, resource
hog and more ATI software shit to deal with, I just use the regular
control panel driver sets, from ATI or omega.
www.omegadrivers.net

info on .net
http://www.microsoft.com/net/basics.mspx
Gordon

 

[captmikey]

Well... I'm not a gamer, but if the Omega drivers are more efficient,
I might try them. Would I lose any of the AIW features with these
drivers?

I'm assuming I have to use Add/Remove Programs to extract the ATI CCW
control panel? Would I still have a floating or anchor-able AIW menu?
And more importantly... could I use the ATI remote? I'm more into
writing and my own graphics work... and I use the TV as a backdrop.

Mike

 

[Gordon Scott]

Well... I'm not a gamer, but if the Omega drivers are more efficient,
I might try them. Would I lose any of the AIW features with these
drivers?

I'm assuming I have to use Add/Remove Programs to extract the ATI CCW
control panel? Would I still have a floating or anchor-able AIW menu?
And more importantly... could I use the ATI remote? I'm more into
writing and my own graphics work... and I use the TV as a backdrop.

Mike

You'll lose no functionality with omega drivers. you probably wont gain
anything by using them either in your case.

since your problem is with the mscoree file why not just uninstall CCC
then uninstall .net framework files.

 

[CaptMike]

Gordon...

Was able to uninstall the CCC but I could not find any Microsoft.NET
Framework program listed in add/remove programs. I did a file search
for .NET Framework and only found file named FrameWork located in
C:\WINNT|system32\wbem\logs.

Tried installing the Omega drivers and during the install it appeared
that about five files it was looking for could not be found. I think
they were ATI or Microsoft files.

Rebooted the system and everything looked OK except none of my ATI
buttons seem to do anything now. Get a pop up window stating thatthe
TV Player failed to initialize the video followed by a line that asks
me to check that the correct video driver has been installed and is
working properly before attempting to restart the TV.

Trying the PC Check:

Failed:
Capture Driver is not loaded nor enumerated by the de..
ATI Rage Theater Video Capture
Logitech QuickCam Express

Something's wrong here but I thought all functions of the ATI AIW
would be supported by the Omega driver?

Mike

 

[Gordon Scott]

Gordon...

Was able to uninstall the CCC but I could not find any Microsoft.NET
Framework program listed in add/remove programs. I did a file search
for .NET Framework and only found file named FrameWork located in
C:\WINNT|system32\wbem\logs.

Tried installing the Omega drivers and during the install it appeared
that about five files it was looking for could not be found. I think
they were ATI or Microsoft files.

Rebooted the system and everything looked OK except none of my ATI
buttons seem to do anything now. Get a pop up window stating thatthe
TV Player failed to initialize the video followed by a line that asks
me to check that the correct video driver has been installed and is
working properly before attempting to restart the TV.

Trying the PC Check:

Failed:
Capture Driver is not loaded nor enumerated by the de..
ATI Rage Theater Video Capture
Logitech QuickCam Express

Something's wrong here but I thought all functions of the ATI AIW
would be supported by the Omega driver?

Mike

reinstall your video drivers, get the the version without ccc

 

[Gordon Scott]

Gordon...

Was able to uninstall the CCC but I could not find any Microsoft.NET
Framework program listed in add/remove programs. I did a file search
for .NET Framework and only found file named FrameWork located in
C:\WINNT|system32\wbem\logs.

Tried installing the Omega drivers and during the install it appeared
that about five files it was looking for could not be found. I think
they were ATI or Microsoft files.

Rebooted the system and everything looked OK except none of my ATI
buttons seem to do anything now. Get a pop up window stating thatthe
TV Player failed to initialize the video followed by a line that asks
me to check that the correct video driver has been installed and is
working properly before attempting to restart the TV.

Trying the PC Check:

Failed:
Capture Driver is not loaded nor enumerated by the de..
ATI Rage Theater Video Capture
Logitech QuickCam Express

Something's wrong here but I thought all functions of the ATI AIW
would be supported by the Omega driver?

Mike

my advice completely uninstall all ati drivers and reinstall. use driver
cleaner 3

 

[CaptMike]

OK, weirdest thing... I rebooted and now everything seems to work,
although I haven't yet been able to get my remote working... wondered
does that need any special software or should it work with the Omega
drivers?

BTW, no errors on several reboots, so the NET thing is gone.

Mike

 

[Gordon Scott]

OK, weirdest thing... I rebooted and now everything seems to work,
although I haven't yet been able to get my remote working... wondered
does that need any special software or should it work with the Omega
drivers?

BTW, no errors on several reboots, so the NET thing is gone.

Mike

remote wonder has nothing to do with the video drivers
have you installed the remote wonder drivers?
you have to install the drivers BEFORE you plug it in.
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=1171

I'm using version 3.1, with a few plugins for powerdvd guide + etc
http://remotew.free.fr/plugins.htm