NAV 2003 LiveUpdate = DeadUpdate

L

Linea Recta

I have NAV 2003 installed and since some time LiveUpdate does nothing
anymore. I always use it manually, but since about a month ago it always
ends up saying I'm already up to date.
My subscription is until 15 oct. 2004!
Of course this is bogus, so I download the intelligent updater file and only
with this I can effectively update my virus defs.
Whats wrong with the bl**dy LiveUpdater?



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A

AL R

Please read my post above on 2/10/04 at 5:55. Seems I'm not the only one
having a "LiveUpDate" problem. If you find out what's wrong, please let me
know.
Al
 
L

lcunning

I seem to be having a similar problem. A couple of weeks ago, I upgraded
from NAV 2003 to NAV 2004. Ever since that upgrade, I haven't received any
virus definition updates via LiveUpdate. I can't even get a manual
LiveUpdate to succeed, let alone the background process that's supposed to
keep me up to date. Here's what I've tried, with the results:

1. I open NAV 2004 from the System Tray.
2. I go to the LiveUpdate dialog.
3. LiveUpdate connects and tells me there are updated virus signatures
available.
4. I click "Next" and LiveUpdate appears to download something (it takes
about the usual amount of time for a ~350KB file).
5. LiveUpdate instantly returns me to the main LiveUpdate dialog. I never
get the usual progress meter showing me the update is being installed.
6. When I return to the main NAV window and check the Status, the Virus
Definitions date is always the same as before I used LiveUpdate. In other
words, nothing has actually been installed. No error messages, just no
actual update.
7. To get the latest definitions, I have to go to the Symantec Web site and
download and install them via their "Intelligent Updater" Web page.
8. After installing using that approach, when I open NAV again and check the
Virus Definitions date, it's now up to date.

Bottom line, LiveUpdate appears to do everything right, it simply doesn't
actually update my signatures!

If it helps any, I'm running WinXP Home on a new Dell PC, I scan for viruses
and adware frequently using several different tools, and otherwise don't
have any problems with this PC.

Has anyone else seen these symptoms or, even better, know any possible
solutions? I'm getting tired of manually downloading virus definition files
when this is supposed to be done for me "automatically."

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

--Larry
 
M

Mark

I am having the same problem with Norton Antivirus (Systemworks 2002)
in Win98.
I found the problem in December, before my subscription was about to
expire. I hadn't paid atttention - it hadn't updated since October.

I reinstalled (several times!) per Symantec instructions, and
everything looks good initially, but then the virus definition file
date never changes - it never gets updated. If I click on it (in the
status screen), it says my definition is up-to-date. If I run
"liveupdate" manually, it says there are no updates.

I did notice (from my Add/Remove programs screen) that I appear to
have two versions of Liveupdate installed (1.6 and 2.0) - maybe this
is the culprit? And if it installed a newer version, why didn't it
uninstall the older one?

I'm afraid to buy another Symantec product. The current version
doesn't work, so what's to say an upgrade will work? And they never
gave me a full year's worth on my last subscription (and they left me
exposed for 2 months!).
 
B

Bluedog

I have NAV 2003 installed and since some time LiveUpdate does nothing
anymore. I always use it manually, but since about a month ago it always
ends up saying I'm already up to date.
My subscription is until 15 oct. 2004!
Of course this is bogus, so I download the intelligent updater file and only
with this I can effectively update my virus defs.
Whats wrong with the bl**dy LiveUpdater?


I'm not sure if the following is the solution to your problem or not,
but I'm going to post it here anyway since it is a very real problem
to which this answer may provide some benefit to the masses:

I'm running Win98SE, Norton Personal Firewall, and NAV 2002.

When Symantec put out the new version of LiveUpdate in January, I was
suddenly unable to get it to work.

When I ran LiveUpdate manually, the following occured:
1. LiveUpdate dialog comes up. I click next.
2. The progress bar for the connection to Symantec progresses 25% and
then stops. It will not go any further no matter how long you wait.
3. Iamapp.exe goes to a 'not responding' state.
4. I am unable to terminate LiveUpdate without using the Windows 'End
Task' on both the LiveUpdate task and the lucomserver task.

After weeks of poking around on the Symantec website and
experimenting, I seem to have found the solution:

1. The following website explains what's happening, and offers the
Symantec solution:

http://server1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/pfdocs/2003082614094613

Basically what they're saying is, a new version of LiveUpdate was
rolled out, and Norton Personal Firewall is blocking it's access to
the internet.

2. I followed the directions on the above link except for one thing: I
didn't 'Check All' after the application scan, as there were numerous
apps that showed up that had nothing to do with this. Rather, I
checked only the Symantec apps and clicked 'Finish'.

After doing this, it did add the new rules to the Firewall, but it
still wouldn't allow LiveUpdate access to the Internet.

3. I pulled up the 'View Event Log' on Norton Personal Firewall. I
found out exactly which modules were trying to access the Internet at
the time that LiveUpdate failed.

4. I went into Norton Personal Firewall -> 'Personal Firewall' ->
'Internet Access Control' and located the rules for the modules in
step 3 above (you can do a mouseover on the rule to get it to tell
you the file name it points to).

I changed the rules for Lucomserve.exe and Iamapp.exe from
'Automatic' to 'Permit All'.

After testing the above changes in steps 3 and 4, I am finally once
again able to run LiveUpdate without interference from the firewall.

Now for a not-so-humble opinion:

I think Symantec ought to be horse-whipped in public for rolling out a
software update in this manner. Both of these productions are Symantec
products, yet they can't seem to be bothered to test it before sending
it out, nor did it seem that they could be bothered to have the
installation properly create new rules in the Firewall. Had they done
this, there would have been no reason for the end-user to do anything.

I'm a paying customer for both the software and the yearly
subscriptions, and yet NOTHING was communicated directly to me or any
other paying customer notifying them that they needed to take these
steps.

Being as I'm a professional programmer by trade, I don't think it was
a reasonable expectation on the part of Symantec to expect that the
average customer could figure out the solution. Even if that were
possible, it's very presumptuous and lazy to push that responsibility
down to the customer, and have their time wasted addressing what
clearly should have been part of paid-for service themselves.

The least they could have done (though albeit still inadequate) is to
have provided clear and accurate directions spelling out what the
end-user needed to do via a large link off of their homepage. Instead
I had to dig for days to find directions that didn't work.

End of rant.

Bluedog
 
L

Linea Recta

Bluedog said:
I'm not sure if the following is the solution to your problem or not,
but I'm going to post it here anyway since it is a very real problem
to which this answer may provide some benefit to the masses:

I'm running Win98SE, Norton Personal Firewall, and NAV 2002.

When Symantec put out the new version of LiveUpdate in January, I was
suddenly unable to get it to work.

When I ran LiveUpdate manually, the following occured:
1. LiveUpdate dialog comes up. I click next.
2. The progress bar for the connection to Symantec progresses 25% and
then stops. It will not go any further no matter how long you wait.
3. Iamapp.exe goes to a 'not responding' state.
4. I am unable to terminate LiveUpdate without using the Windows 'End
Task' on both the LiveUpdate task and the lucomserver task.

After weeks of poking around on the Symantec website and
experimenting, I seem to have found the solution:

1. The following website explains what's happening, and offers the
Symantec solution:

http://server1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/pfdocs/2003082614094613

Basically what they're saying is, a new version of LiveUpdate was
rolled out, and Norton Personal Firewall is blocking it's access to
the internet.

2. I followed the directions on the above link except for one thing: I
didn't 'Check All' after the application scan, as there were numerous
apps that showed up that had nothing to do with this. Rather, I
checked only the Symantec apps and clicked 'Finish'.

After doing this, it did add the new rules to the Firewall, but it
still wouldn't allow LiveUpdate access to the Internet.

3. I pulled up the 'View Event Log' on Norton Personal Firewall. I
found out exactly which modules were trying to access the Internet at
the time that LiveUpdate failed.

4. I went into Norton Personal Firewall -> 'Personal Firewall' ->
'Internet Access Control' and located the rules for the modules in
step 3 above (you can do a mouseover on the rule to get it to tell
you the file name it points to).

I changed the rules for Lucomserve.exe and Iamapp.exe from
'Automatic' to 'Permit All'.

After testing the above changes in steps 3 and 4, I am finally once
again able to run LiveUpdate without interference from the firewall.

Now for a not-so-humble opinion:

I think Symantec ought to be horse-whipped in public for rolling out a
software update in this manner. Both of these productions are Symantec
products, yet they can't seem to be bothered to test it before sending
it out, nor did it seem that they could be bothered to have the
installation properly create new rules in the Firewall. Had they done
this, there would have been no reason for the end-user to do anything.

I'm a paying customer for both the software and the yearly
subscriptions, and yet NOTHING was communicated directly to me or any
other paying customer notifying them that they needed to take these
steps.

Being as I'm a professional programmer by trade, I don't think it was
a reasonable expectation on the part of Symantec to expect that the
average customer could figure out the solution. Even if that were
possible, it's very presumptuous and lazy to push that responsibility
down to the customer, and have their time wasted addressing what
clearly should have been part of paid-for service themselves.

The least they could have done (though albeit still inadequate) is to
have provided clear and accurate directions spelling out what the
end-user needed to do via a large link off of their homepage. Instead
I had to dig for days to find directions that didn't work.



You're absolutely right. It seems these Norton guys are getting "brighter"
by the minute! The product is a bloody shame. And I fear the worst for all
the other underlying poop-were...
Now for your link: the page is not available :-((
Would they have withdrawn it?


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regards,

|\ /|
| \/ |@rk
\../
\/os
 
B

Bluedog

Now for your link: the page is not available :-((
Would they have withdrawn it?


I was able to access the link by typing it in...but you're right...it
no longer seems to be available doing searches.

The upshod of it was, you need to:

1. Go to Personal Firewall.
2. Select 'Internet Access Control'.
3. Click Configure > Application Scan.
4. Select the drives you want to scan, and click next. (This takes a
few mins).
5. When the scan is complete, a list of Internet-enabled applications
appears. (Note: This is ONLY a list that don't have Firewall rules
previously built.)

At this point the instructions said to click 'Check All' and click
'Finish'. I didn't do this, as I found it returned many apps that had
nothing to do with Symantec. I manually checked only the Symantec ones
and clicked 'Finish'. HTH.

After this, follow the additional steps in my previous post.
Bluedog
 
L

Linea Recta

I found some files marked as 'read only' in the following folder:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate

I believe (from the Norton site) 'read only' should be disabled.

Anyway, I had different problems than what you described. My LiveUpdate
cheerfully reminds me that there are updates. Then, when I click OK to
update, the thing starts searching on line to tell me in the end that "all
apps. are up to date", for the last 2 months.

Ha, "increase your productivity..." It has already taken me hours of
meddling.
It's a shambles!!


--
regards,

|\ /|
| \/ |@rk
\../
\/os
 
A

AL R

We were using the Norton Anti-Virus in SystemWorks 2001 (which Symantec
conveniently says it no longer supports). The virus definition subscription
ran out for LiveUpDate so I paid the $21.55 and renewed it this month. The
next time I restarted the computed it froze and I couldn't shut it down
properly. During boot up, a message stated I no longer had auto-protect and
froze. I turned off the electricity and then booted up. Unless I went into
safe mode, the same thing would happen again. I did a restore to get into
normal windows and tried running a scan. The computer froze and a message
said Norton's Anti-Virus can't find the definitions. Again I couldn't get
into windows and work the computer without doing a restore. Even ctrl, alt,
delete, wouldn't work. Presently, there is no virus protection on this
computer. I tried re-installing the Anti-Virus program from the original
CD, but I guess you must uninstall it first, and that is more complicated
with SystemWorks than a normal uninstall. I am very disgusted with this
fiasco, and I think they have a lot of nerve to tell me they no longer
support 2001. Frankly, I might no longer support them if they don't help me
fast. It's very shabby business practice to put out junk like this and
then, after only a couple years, say you don't support it. The people using
Norton Anti-Virus and LiveUpDate shouldn't be having this problem that
Symantec & Norton dumped on them.
Al
 
M

Mark

I'm frankly disgusted with Norton. Even though my subscription
"expired" in December, they still owe me a couple of months since it
hadn't updated since October. I'm running SystemWorks 2002 for Win98
with ZoneAlarm (full access to all Symantec programs).

Now when I follow their instructions to fix this type of problem by
doing a complete uninstall, delete directories and registry keys, then
a complete reinstall, it appears to install OK, resets my
subscription out a year, and indicates I need to run Liveupdate (since
it has the original virus file). This initial "Liveupdate" works, but
I know that will be the LAST time it works.

I figure they've got some glitch in whatever new version of Liveupdate
they install during this process. I was going to "uncheck" Liveupdate
so it wouldn't install the new version (figuring that was the
culprit), but it didn't list it (unless it is buried under Livereg).

Well I guess for now I can keep manually downloading the Intelligent
Update File (sort of an oxymoron considering we are talking about
Symantec) for the short run.

Does anyone have any experience/recommendations for MacAfee or other
antivirus software?

Thanks.
 

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