Mystery device and wrong scanner found on start-up.

Y

YD

I recently upgraded my HD and made a clean install of Win 2k Pro,
copying the data files from the old disk. All worked reasonably well
for a couple of days, then I installed a program that didn't seem to
like living under this OS and mucked up parts of it. I reinstalled
over the existing system which lost the scanner and "gained" some odd
stuff.

The scanner is a Genius Colorpage HR6-USB and up till now Windows had
always found and installed it correctly. It goes to one of the USB
ports and the printer to the other. The printer works correctly.

What happens now is Windows alerts first on "New multimedia device
found" and asks for the drivers, without further identifying it, so I
end up cancelling and deactivating it. Next it comes up with "Genius
Colorpage Vivid III USB found". Note that this is the wrong model.
When asked for drivers I insert the CD for the HR6 which ends up with
an "access denied" error.

Trying to install "Image devices" manually from the Control Panel both
types of scanners are displayed but only the parallel and serial ports
are offered for connections. Something seems to be using up the USB
port.

Checking the registry I find the (wrong) scanner at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\USB\Vid_0458&Pid_2004\5&4f541ab&1&1
but trying to erase or edit it gives an error message even when
running in the admin account.

The mystery device shows up at Local 1 (PCI bus 0, device 12, function
0) which doesn't tell me much of anything.

On startup the Scan Manager understandably gripes about "Scanner not
found" and exits.

Switching back to the old disk everything works fine so I'm fairly
certain it's not a hardware problem. Doing this whenever I need to
scan something is of course not an option in the long run as I need it
for setting up another box.

So I guess the question is how do I get rid of these mystery devices
and get Windows to recognize the scanner correctly?

Solutions, advice, further questions, flames, food, coffee, beer,
cigarettes and small change are all welcome.

- YD.
 
D

Dave Patrick

To display hidden devices, non-Plug and Play devices, and devices not
attached to the computer (commonly known as "ghosted" or "phantom" devices)
Save the following two lines as a file then execute.

--------------------------setdev.bat---------------------
set DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1
start devmgmt.msc
---------------------------------------------------------

Then, View|Show Hidden Devices to remove or reconfigure these devices. Do
not edit the registry.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
|I recently upgraded my HD and made a clean install of Win 2k Pro,
| copying the data files from the old disk. All worked reasonably well
| for a couple of days, then I installed a program that didn't seem to
| like living under this OS and mucked up parts of it. I reinstalled
| over the existing system which lost the scanner and "gained" some odd
| stuff.
|
| The scanner is a Genius Colorpage HR6-USB and up till now Windows had
| always found and installed it correctly. It goes to one of the USB
| ports and the printer to the other. The printer works correctly.
|
| What happens now is Windows alerts first on "New multimedia device
| found" and asks for the drivers, without further identifying it, so I
| end up cancelling and deactivating it. Next it comes up with "Genius
| Colorpage Vivid III USB found". Note that this is the wrong model.
| When asked for drivers I insert the CD for the HR6 which ends up with
| an "access denied" error.
|
| Trying to install "Image devices" manually from the Control Panel both
| types of scanners are displayed but only the parallel and serial ports
| are offered for connections. Something seems to be using up the USB
| port.
|
| Checking the registry I find the (wrong) scanner at
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\USB\Vid_0458&Pid_2004\5&4f541ab&1&1
| but trying to erase or edit it gives an error message even when
| running in the admin account.
|
| The mystery device shows up at Local 1 (PCI bus 0, device 12, function
| 0) which doesn't tell me much of anything.
|
| On startup the Scan Manager understandably gripes about "Scanner not
| found" and exits.
|
| Switching back to the old disk everything works fine so I'm fairly
| certain it's not a hardware problem. Doing this whenever I need to
| scan something is of course not an option in the long run as I need it
| for setting up another box.
|
| So I guess the question is how do I get rid of these mystery devices
| and get Windows to recognize the scanner correctly?
|
| Solutions, advice, further questions, flames, food, coffee, beer,
| cigarettes and small change are all welcome.
|
| - YD.
|
| --
| Remove HAT if replying by mail.
 
F

filesiteguy

YD scratched out in the sand
I recently upgraded my HD and made a clean install of Win 2k Pro,
copying the data files from the old disk. All worked reasonably well
for a couple of days, then I installed a program that didn't seem to
like living under this OS and mucked up parts of it.

See you gotta stop installing those Microsoft Windows Update files you get
in the emails. :)

Fdisk - seriously.

No, I really mean it this time. You might just need to start from scratch.
 
Y

YD

YD scratched out in the sand


See you gotta stop installing those Microsoft Windows Update files you get
in the emails. :)

I should have mentioned it was the drivers for an external CD burner.
Apparently they work only under 9x, but neglected to warn me before
blowing up 2kPro.
Fdisk - seriously.

No, I really mean it this time. You might just need to start from scratch.

If nothing else helps I may consider it if it rains this weekend.

- YD.
 
Y

YD

To display hidden devices, non-Plug and Play devices, and devices not
attached to the computer (commonly known as "ghosted" or "phantom" devices)
Save the following two lines as a file then execute.

--------------------------setdev.bat---------------------
set DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1
start devmgmt.msc

Thanks, already saved. I'll try it later on.

- YD.
 
L

Lady Chatterly

I recently upgraded my HD and made a clean install of Win 2k Pro,
copying the data files from the old disk. All worked reasonably well
for a couple of days, then I installed a program that didn't seem to
like living under this OS and mucked up parts of it. I reinstalled
over the existing system which lost the scanner and "gained" some odd
stuff.

The scanner is a Genius Colorpage HR6-USB and up till now Windows had
always found and installed it correctly. It goes to one of the USB
ports and the printer to the other. The printer works correctly.

And true, well she gets things out of this unfortunate turn of events.
What happens now is Windows alerts first on "New multimedia device
found" and asks for the drivers, without further identifying it, so I
end up cancelling and deactivating it. Next it comes up with "Genius
Colorpage Vivid III USB found". Note that this is the wrong model.
When asked for drivers I insert the CD for the HR6 which ends up with
an "access denied" error.
Trying to install "Image devices" manually from the Control Panel both
types of scanners are displayed but only the parallel and serial ports
are offered for connections. Something seems to be using up the USB
port.

Switching back to the old disk everything works fine so I'm fairly
certain it's not a hardware problem. Doing this whenever I need to
scan something is of course not an option in the long run as I need it
for setting up another box.

Are you wishing wishes that you are fairly certain it is not a
hardware problem?

--
Lady Chatterly

"At the risk of being the object of auk's ridicule, I don't think it
is a bot. It's made a few mistakes. I think it's someone *pretending
to be* a bot." -- Dr. Zen
 
P

PunK@tDaddy®

I recently upgraded my HD and made a clean install of Win 2k Pro,
copying the data files from the old disk. All worked reasonably well
for a couple of days, then I installed a program that didn't seem to
like living under this OS and mucked up parts of it. I reinstalled
over the existing system which lost the scanner and "gained" some odd
stuff.

The scanner is a Genius Colorpage HR6-USB and up till now Windows had
always found and installed it correctly. It goes to one of the USB
ports and the printer to the other. The printer works correctly.

What happens now is Windows alerts first on "New multimedia device
found" and asks for the drivers, without further identifying it, so I
end up cancelling and deactivating it. Next it comes up with "Genius
Colorpage Vivid III USB found". Note that this is the wrong model.
When asked for drivers I insert the CD for the HR6 which ends up with
an "access denied" error.

Trying to install "Image devices" manually from the Control Panel both
types of scanners are displayed but only the parallel and serial ports
are offered for connections. Something seems to be using up the USB
port.

Checking the registry I find the (wrong) scanner at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\USB\Vid_0458&Pid_2004\5&4f
541ab&1&1 but trying to erase or edit it gives an error message even
when running in the admin account.

The mystery device shows up at Local 1 (PCI bus 0, device 12, function
0) which doesn't tell me much of anything.

On startup the Scan Manager understandably gripes about "Scanner not
found" and exits.

Switching back to the old disk everything works fine so I'm fairly
certain it's not a hardware problem. Doing this whenever I need to
scan something is of course not an option in the long run as I need it
for setting up another box.

So I guess the question is how do I get rid of these mystery devices
and get Windows to recognize the scanner correctly?

Solutions, advice, further questions, flames, food, coffee, beer,
cigarettes and small change are all welcome.

- YD.

In your .pdf users manual, on the Forth and seventh page it says that NT4
does not support usb connectivity and W2K is newer than NT4 so I can guess
that your original install disk will not have drivers that work anyway.It
says on the seventh page "Genius ColorPage-HR6 USB scanner can only operate
under the Microsoft Windows 98 operating
system.
__________________________________________________________________
System Requirements
! Windows/Intel Compatible Personal Computer
! Pentium CPU or above
! CD-ROM Drive
! 32 MB RAM (64 MB Recommended)
! 160 Free Hard Disk Space (260 MB Recommended)
! USB Port
! Microsoft™ Windows 98
! NOTE: Windows NT 4.0 does not support Universal Serial Bus (USB)
connectivity.
! Video card that supports 16-bit color or greater

Software Requirements
Genius ColorPage-HR6 USB comes with scanner body, scanner’s install driver,
Genius TWAIN
program, XEROX TextBridge OCR software, scan manager program and Adobe
PhotoDeluxe
image-editing software,. All of these programs use approximately 160
megabytes of hard disk
space after installing into your computer. To ensure ample room for the
installation, as well as for
scanning and saving images, a minimum of 260 megabytes of hard disk space
is recommended.
Genius ColorPage-HR6 USB scanner can only operate under the Microsoft
Windows 98 operating
system.
__________________________________________________________________

Something using the other port is "your scanner" as hardware without the
drivers.
STOP MESSING WITH THE REGISTRY PLEASE!!! When you get it right it will be
cool. I can tell you are really trying hard and learning. It will be fine,
don't worry. You seem persistant and that's what it takes to learn on your
own so do this...Find drivers that work with W2K and not 98, start with the
KYE Systems/GENIUS support site. It is good, it is here for you...

http://www.geniusnet.com.tw/download/hotdownload.asp

try google of course and go here too...
http://www.driverguide.com/

Dig into your install disk, open not autorun and look through it, double
check for any drivers just to see for yourself. Find the .pdf manual while
you are at it OR GO HERE...
http://www.geniusnet.com.tw/product/manual/HR6 USB.PDF

From the pdf contact info...
Contacting Genius
USA & CANADA
KYE International Corp.
2605 E. Cedar St.
Ontario, CA 91761-8511 U. S. A.
Tel: (1) 909 923 3510
Fax: (1) 909 923 5494
Sales: (1) 800 456 7593
Web Site: http://www.genius-kye.com
 
M

Meat-->Plow

Solutions, advice, further questions, flames, food, coffee, beer,
cigarettes and small change are all welcome.

FDISK and reinstall. I never did like W2K's TWAIN subsystem
that well.
 
Y

YD

To display hidden devices, non-Plug and Play devices, and devices not
attached to the computer (commonly known as "ghosted" or "phantom" devices)
Save the following two lines as a file then execute.

--------------------------setdev.bat---------------------
set DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1
start devmgmt.msc

Ok, tried it now, but didn't work. Under "other devices" there was an
unknown besides the mystery device and of course the Vivid under Image
Devices.

I uninstalled them all and rebooted. Windows promptly found and tried
to install them again.

Thanks for your effort, anyway, I appreciate it.

- YD.
 
Y

YD

In your .pdf users manual, on the Forth and seventh page it says that NT4
does not support usb connectivity and W2K is newer than NT4 so I can guess
that your original install disk will not have drivers that work anyway.It
says on the seventh page "Genius ColorPage-HR6 USB scanner can only operate
under the Microsoft Windows 98 operating
system.

The CD says 98 or 2000. It worked fine in the preivous install. What
intrigues me is being unable to permanently delete the devices so
Windows might find the right one.
Something using the other port is "your scanner" as hardware without the
drivers.

About what I've concluded myself. Now to find out how to get rid of
it. Possibly that botched install messed up the driver database or
something.
http://www.geniusnet.com.tw/download/hotdownload.asp

try google of course and go here too...
http://www.driverguide.com/

Dig into your install disk, open not autorun and look through it, double
check for any drivers just to see for yourself. Find the .pdf manual while
you are at it OR GO HERE...
http://www.geniusnet.com.tw/product/manual/HR6 USB.PDF

I'll give them a hard look in case I missed something the first time
around.

Thanks for the effort, I appreciate it.

- YD.
 
D

Dave Patrick

Is the scanner connected at this point? If so try choosing 'have disk' and
point to the correct driver.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Ok, tried it now, but didn't work. Under "other devices" there was an
| unknown besides the mystery device and of course the Vivid under Image
| Devices.
|
| I uninstalled them all and rebooted. Windows promptly found and tried
| to install them again.
|
| Thanks for your effort, anyway, I appreciate it.
|
| - YD.
|
| --
| Remove HAT if replying by mail.
 
Y

YD

Is the scanner connected at this point? If so try choosing 'have disk' and
point to the correct driver.

BTDT. This is where I get the access denied message. Funny thing is,
even with the scanner unplugged those phantom devices get detected.

Well, never mind, if I can't get around this in a day or two I'll just
nuke the whole thing and do a clean install. The data on the old disk
is still intact so there won't be any significant loss. But finding a
non-destructive solution might be useful at some future point as I'm
sure something similar sooner or later pops up.

Again, thanks for the effort.

- YD.
 
«

«bonehead;\)

Meat-->Plow said:
FDISK and reinstall. I never did like W2K's TWAIN subsystem
that well.

I don't know if you mentioned having Service Pack 4 or not, but I have seen
it clear up USB issues when applied....
 
Y

YD

I don't know if you mentioned having Service Pack 4 or not, but I have seen
it clear up USB issues when applied....

Not yet, it's a new installation and I've been gradually
updating/patching it over the last few days beginning with the smaller
patches. Good thinking, though, on the first install I had trouble
finding the scanner and then it reappeared on its own. I'll keep at
it, good thing I'm on DSL now, those things are huge.

- YD.
 

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