My thoughts on Vista Whiners

[BillG]

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than Windows
ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps adding new
functionality to it version after version. I have Vista running on two
machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I prefer using the
Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues that I have with
Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have had minor problems so
I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and 98 and dos etc. There is
no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and Unix but unfortunately I am a
consultant in the real business world and don't deal with the I hate Bill
Gates users who love Linux and Unix and I have to use real operating systems
that the majority of businesses use and that's Windows operating system.
Yes there are those programmers and systems people stuck in little dark
dingy corners who use Unix and Linux to run some applications but the
majority of the business world uses Windows. I think that the anti-Vista
people are just whining over nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio
2008 and I prefer programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I
will never go back to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on these
forums with Vista are the same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98.
And then there are those that should not be using computers and you know who
you are. Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock
Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and problems.
But again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of ram
and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try to buy a new computer
every 2 years. I am also not trying to run games developed years ago on my
Vista system. No one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200
Walmart TV. So why should you expect to run the latest and greatest
operating system and software on the same type of computer that ran Windows
95/98 and ran the software of 5 years ago. I certainly don't want to. Now
I will sit back and wait for the flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I
am jealous of Microsoft's success" crowd.

BillG

and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

 

[Nonny]

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0.

And you've not yet learned to break your posts into readable segments
- a.k.a. paragraphs?

 

[Mark]

Well BillG,

I too have been using Microsoft since Dos 3.0 and never had any problems
except for minor glitches here and there, until Vista. I also buy a new
computer every 2 years or so and the one I have now is new and very
powerful. For the first 3 months that I had this computer I got the BSOD
literally every 3-5 hours of use.It slowly got better after that and SP1
stabilized it. Yes, I am happy now but there are plenty of people who have
very good reason to hate Vista. Vista was a mistake, pushed out too early
due to outside pressure. It's been almost a year and a half and they are
still working out bugs that hav been there since day 1. I am not a Vista
whiner or hater but Vista has been a train wreck. All of you people still
having problems, I feel your pain. I could go on but I'll let someone else
fill in the gaps.

Mark

 

[BillG]

Sorry I was rambling and when do that I just strings sentences together.

 

[Mick Murphy]

You are a Programmer!

That says it all about your post about Vista!

 

[Rich]

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than Windows
ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps adding new
functionality to it version after version. I have Vista running on two
machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I prefer using the
Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues that I have with
Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have had minor problems
so I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and 98 and dos etc.
There is no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and Unix but
unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business world and don't deal
with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux and Unix and I have to use
real operating systems that the majority of businesses use and that's
Windows operating system. Yes there are those programmers and systems
people stuck in little dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux to run
some applications but the majority of the business world uses Windows. I
think that the anti-Vista people are just whining over nothing. I am a
programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer programming on my Vista
machine over my XP machine. I will never go back to XP. A lot of the
people that have issues on these forums with Vista are the same ones that
had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then there are those that should not
be using computers and you know who you are. Please forgive my venting
but I am tired of seeing people knock Vista. It is a great operating
system. Yes, it has issues and problems. But again I do not try to run it
on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of ram and a 100 MB hard drive.
Because of what I do, I try to buy a new computer every 2 years. I am
also not trying to run games developed years ago on my Vista system. No
one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So
why should you expect to run the latest and greatest operating system and
software on the same type of computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran the
software of 5 years ago. I certainly don't want to. Now I will sit back
and wait for the flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am jealous of
Microsoft's success" crowd.

BillG

and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

I second your opinion if that is possible. I think most of the haters are
the same people I've seen and PLONKED from years ago (Mikey with the
traveling scroll line as an example has been around bashing since '98). I
started with Windows 3.1 on a 286. All OS's have problems or things you see
as problems. Open a utility that shows what is going on when you double
click an icon to launch a program and you will wonder how any of this works
at all. I have had Vista running for 30 days without rebooting and only did
so because of an update that required it. I've found the little quirks that
Vista has over comes some of the shortfalls of the other choices for OS's. I
tried Ubuntu...yuck. I do use Linux at work as that is what is used to run
things (tech field, MEDM..yada yada). It is stable but I can't run Autocad
on it I can't find a decent news reader that will mark read messages as read
time after time. The linux news groups are horrible if you have a problem
YOU ARE THE IDIOT that can't figure out the OS....

I like Vista and look forward to the future of windows as even if you give
it away for free you still can't get such a small percentage of desktops I
think that's telling of the future of Linux and that community as who would
write applications that the whole community thinks they should get for free
as most of the craplications for linux are free and worth what you paid for
them!

Rich

 

[Don]

I second your opinion if that is possible. I think most of the haters are
the same people I've seen and PLONKED from years ago (Mikey with the
traveling scroll line as an example has been around bashing since '98). I
started with Windows 3.1 on a 286. All OS's have problems or things you
see as problems. Open a utility that shows what is going on when you
double click an icon to launch a program and you will wonder how any of
this works at all. I have had Vista running for 30 days without rebooting
and only did so because of an update that required it. I've found the
little quirks that Vista has over comes some of the shortfalls of the
other choices for OS's. I tried Ubuntu...yuck. I do use Linux at work as
that is what is used to run things (tech field, MEDM..yada yada). It is
stable but I can't run Autocad on it I can't find a decent news reader
that will mark read messages as read time after time. The linux news
groups are horrible if you have a problem YOU ARE THE IDIOT that can't
figure out the OS....

I like Vista and look forward to the future of windows as even if you give
it away for free you still can't get such a small percentage of desktops I
think that's telling of the future of Linux and that community as who
would write applications that the whole community thinks they should get
for free as most of the craplications for linux are free and worth what
you paid for them!

I would have to third it.
I installed Vista Ultimate 64 bit in a dual boot environment with XP Pro,
and love Vista 64 bit.
I rarely boot into XP any more.

 

[Canuck57]

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than
Windows ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps
adding new functionality to it version after version. I have Vista
running on two machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I
prefer using the Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues
that I have with Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have
had minor problems so I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and
98 and dos etc. There is no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and
Unix but unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business world and
don't deal with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux and Unix and
I have to use real operating systems that the majority of businesses use
and that's Windows operating system. Yes there are those programmers and
systems people stuck in little dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux
to run some applications but the majority of the business world uses
Windows. I think that the anti-Vista people are just whining over
nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer
programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I will never go
back to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on these forums with
Vista are the same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then
there are those that should not be using computers and you know who you
are. Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock
Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and
problems. But again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer with
1 GB of ram and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try to buy
a new computer every 2 years. I am also not trying to run games
developed years ago on my Vista system. No one here is trying to watch
Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So why should you expect to
run the latest and greatest operating system and software on the same
type of computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran the software of 5 years
ago. I certainly don't want to. Now I will sit back and wait for the
flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am jealous of Microsoft's
success" crowd.

BillG

and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

Past success is no indication of future success's. Novell, IBM-PC, VAX,
Digital, mainframes, Sperry-UNIVAC, Perkin-Elmer, PDP and others. WinMe
already made this club. Sooner or later will be joined by Microsoft as
the software business catches up in becoming a commodity after being a
monopoly for so long.

The real problem is the Microsoft business model. They can produce Win7,
Win8, Win66 but the basics are still the same there is nothing to make
people want to buy it. Each time, getting billions in profits and now
both from technology point of view and from a cost point of view they are
out of gas.

Win7, likely will just be fixed up Vista repackaged so people have to re-
purchase it. So why be a beta tester if you don't need to be? Which is
why Vista's acceptance is pitiful at best.

Heck, I wonder how long GM would last if you could only buy one type of
car, say like say a Oldsmobile Vista. Basic, G, GL and XGL. You can
have any one, but must be a Oldsmobile Vista. It would not take long and
Toyota would slaughter GM. Only Microsoft arrogance and monopolistic
behaviours let it get away with Vista, Vista or Vista for home users.

Oh, I know you can get XP, spend an extra $700 on the business side of
Dell or something. I am talking the Best Buy stores and places where
most people buy PCs, you are not getting anything but Vista.

Win95, people lined up at midnight for that one. Each version since gets
a slower adoption rate. Future adoption rates are most likely to be
driven by hardware attrition, but today's PCs can and do run XP.

Someone in Redmond thumping the desk for more revenue can thump all they
want, but the business model is changing and will do so, with, or without
Microsoft.

And by the way, I believe Vista is stable, but runs like a constipated
snail. Vista is like a dumb, beautiful high cost, high maintenance blond
with a bad personality that gets along with no one but themselves. Slow
file/network copy is a stellar example. Should have never been
released. But it's release will do wonders for open source.

BTW, I have been running computers before Bill Gates made his first sale
of DOS to IBM. I also buy a new computer every 2 years or less. But
this is the first time I have every switched the OS from what came with
it in less than 2 months.

 

[Tom Dacon]

Bill, first of all let me second your general opinions about Vista.

I've got two Vista machines running myself - one of them a brand-new Dell
XPS 410 for my wife, and another one a five-year-old Dell 8300 that I
upgraded a little to boost the experience index and make it a better gamer.
Power supply, new video card, maxed out the RAM. No problems to speak of,
not a single BSOD on either one of them, no driver problems on the 8300
after I did my research with the vendors for driver updates. The wife had a
few page faults, before she got herself retrained from the XP UI to Vista,
but she's happy now. I even got the Vista machines networking after a little
work, which seems to be driving everyone crazy over in the
vista.network-sharing group.

No problems. They Just Work.

But here's my question for you: I'm a long-time .Net programmer myself. My
home dev system is XP, my office system is Windows Server 2003, running as a
workstation. Like most programmers, I spend a LOT of time roaming around the
file system - searching for dll's and config files, copying assemblies from
build directories to assembly library directories, updating from source
control and copying files around, all that stuff that we do during a day in
the life. Hardly any of this stuff involves the My Documents folder tree.

And I'm just not getting that warm fuzzy feeling from doing all those file
system operations on Vista, so I haven't taken my home dev system over to it
yet. It's like the OS assumes that I'm an uneducated home computer user, who
would never dream of putting anything anywhere besides My Documents. Try to
do a search on a directory that the Vista people didn't think needed
indexing? Good luck.

So how is this kind of thing working for you? Have you had to do tweaks to
make it work smoothly, or full-text-index the whole hard drive, or what? If
I could get over that one speed bump, I'd leave my XP partition behind in a
hot second.

Thanks,
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

 

[BillG]

I found this interesting article a while back and he talks about
reorganizing where your documents are stored. Take a look at the section on
Drive and File System tweaks, which addresses your question.

http://tweakhound.com/vista/tweakguide/index.htm

BillG

 

[Tom Dacon]

Thanks, Bill.

Tom

I found this interesting article a while back and he talks about
reorganizing where your documents are stored. Take a look at the section
on Drive and File System tweaks, which addresses your question.

http://tweakhound.com/vista/tweakguide/index.htm

BillG

 

[jstox]

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than Windows
ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps adding new
functionality to it version after version. I have Vista running on two

Several years ago I had a satellite connection in the country. Great
service. However, the newsgroup was nothing but bitchin. I couldn't
understand, made some assumptions that their dish wasn't pointed
correctly, not grounded properly, network connections honked up,
weather problems, all sorts of reasons that could go wrong. Anyway,
one day the ISP decided to switch me to a different satellite port. I
had nothing but misery, finally had to cancel service. The point I'm
trying to make is just cause I don't have problems doesn't mean
they don't exist.

On the positive side, about a month ago my XP machine died.
Bought a new HP loaded with vista. I was going oh my god, here
we go. Not one issue and satisfied with the switch.

Obviously, people like myself without issues have no reason to post.
Glad you posted, I fall in the happy camper category and
will now go back to lurkdom.

--jeff

 

[Adam Albright]

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I see you managed to touch base with all the usual limp charges, ie
Vista "whiners" aren't programmers,they couldn't get XP or Windows 98
or 95 to work either. They don't work in the real world, but of course
you do, blah, blah, blah.

You can vent all you want. Frank sure does. ;-)

You claim the majority of businesses use Windows? That statement tells
me at best you're a lightweight since it is a FACT that most web
servers and news servers and email processing run on either UNIX or
Linux systems. Of businesses that have switched to Vista, 86% to date
HAVE NOT and don't plan to anytime soon if ever. Further many large
corporations still run main frames where Windows never sees the light
of day.

I was particularly amused by this statement:

"Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock
Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and
problems."

Hint: A "great" system doesn't have issues and endless problems or you
have very low expectations of what the word "great" is suppose to
represent. Maybe you think a baseball player with a 220 batting
average is also great or maybe a student with a 2.7 grade point
average is doing "great". That's not my scale or what society at large
considers doing great. At best both would be ranked mediocre and
that's the highest grade anyone that knows anything about software
ever ranks anything Microsoft puts a label on. Mediocre at best
defines Microsoft and that's on a good day.

While I don't expect perfection, I do demand progress and improvement
in each new version of the old dog Windows. For twenty plus years I've
waiting and each time a new version of Windows came out, I and
countless millions of others have been disappointed. Never more so
than with Vista. Five plus years in development and it is riddled with
bugs and adds little more than a pretty looking interface.

It is laughable that Vista is slower in many areas for many users
compared to XP running the same or similar hardware.

It is disgraceful something hyped as a "security" feature (UAC) is
little more than an annoying nag.

It is comical that much of what is "new" in Vista is little more than
a quickly applied coat of new paint with shuffled, moved and renamed
controls.

Then we have the serious failings. File handling abilities sucks for
many, even after SP1 remaining painfully slow, often bitching about
permissions and rarely giving anything close to accurate estimates of
the time necessary to move/copy files and if encountering a problem in
a batch process still being so dumb it stops in the middle only to pop
a warning screen and the job half finished. That again is simply
disgraceful and no surprise, totally and completely unnecessary and
due wholly to some routines being routed through the always has been
crippled Windows Explorer now made worse by layers of useless and
process slowing overhead in the name of "security" and the ugly
Digital Rights Management bullshit.

In an area that should have gained marked progress due to the
popularity of video editing and authoring DVD's and related graphics
and multimedia the included tools, Media Player and Movie Maker are a
laughing stock, often bitching for no reason throwing mindless COM
Surgate errors, nagging about CODECS already on the system and other
lame sloppy programming failures that more often than not results in a
video already playing (CONFIRMING Vista found a CODEC to use to play
it) stopping before it finishes, then saying it couldn't play what it
has been playing for ten minutes or longer. Ridiculous!

Such areas as these are KID STUFF. The kind of errors you expect some
teenager programmer messing around in his bedroom to miscode and not
troubleshoot properly.

The problem is we're not talking about some kid messing around with
his hobby, we are discussing the repeated and constant failings of the
largest software developer on the planet. Microsoft. One flushed with
cash, one supposedly that hires the best of the best talent and yet
version after version of Windows sucks. No, not for everybody, but
clearly for too many as many reading this will nod their heads in
agreement.

You want to defend such reckless, sloppy and arrogant behavior by
Microsoft, go ahead I sure won't try to stop you. However I won't be
silenced or stop pointing the endless problems many, many users run
into daily.

My biggest gripe is those that attempt to elevate Windows to something
it isn't, "great" software. Call a spade, a spade. Windows, regardless
what version you're discussing is at best mediocre.

Anybody that suggests otherwise is lying or don't have a clue what
they're talking about. Usually both. This reality was recently
confirmed by non other than Steve Ballmer Microsoft CEO that
sheepishly admitted Windows is a "work in progress"... one that
apparently never gets finished, but customers are expected to keep
coughing up more cash to try Microsoft's latest attempt at getting it
right.

 

[xfile]

[...] I am a consultant in the real business world...

Then you probably wish to know what is TCO (total cost of ownership) and
buying compatible and the greatest and latest hardware is just the beginning
not the ending. Other than your personal preference (which is valid but
only to yourself), I haven't seen any value propositions from your lengthy
post as being a consultant.

 

[BillG]

No I am also basing my professional work on what my clients want and have.
I deal with middle size businesses all over the country who are running my
software and what they buy is Microsft (severs, SQL Server and my .Net
software). The real world for my clients is Windows. I have often thought
of developing my software on the MAC for example but have always decided
against because the business ownership of Macs is minimal. I don't have a
single client who has any other operating system in their businesses other
than Microsoft Windows of some form. The business owners want Windows not
because its perfect or the cheapest but because in the long run it is
dependable and Microsoft will be around for a long time. As one of the
other posters has stated if Linux is so great and wonderful and it is free
then why hasn't the business community jumped on it and bought in mass
purchases as they have with Windows?

BillG

[...] I am a consultant in the real business world...

Then you probably wish to know what is TCO (total cost of ownership) and
buying compatible and the greatest and latest hardware is just the
beginning not the ending. Other than your personal preference (which is
valid but only to yourself), I haven't seen any value propositions from
your lengthy post as being a consultant.

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than
Windows ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps
adding new functionality to it version after version. I have Vista
running on two machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I
prefer using the Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues
that I have with Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have
had minor problems so I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and
98 and dos etc. There is no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and
Unix but unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business world and
don't deal with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux and Unix and I
have to use real operating systems that the majority of businesses use
and that's Windows operating system. Yes there are those programmers and
systems people stuck in little dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux
to run some applications but the majority of the business world uses
Windows. I think that the anti-Vista people are just whining over
nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer
programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I will never go back
to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on these forums with Vista
are the same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then there
are those that should not be using computers and you know who you are.
Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock Vista.
It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and problems. But
again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of ram
and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try to buy a new
computer every 2 years. I am also not trying to run games developed
years ago on my Vista system. No one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv
on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So why should you expect to run the
latest and greatest operating system and software on the same type of
computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran the software of 5 years ago. I
certainly don't want to. Now I will sit back and wait for the flaming
from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am jealous of Microsoft's success"
crowd.

BillG

and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

 

[xfile]

Did I mention Linux?

Your subject reads: My thoughts on Vista Whiners

No I am also basing my professional work on what my clients want and have.
I deal with middle size businesses all over the country who are running my
software and what they buy is Microsft (severs, SQL Server and my .Net
software). The real world for my clients is Windows. I have often
thought of developing my software on the MAC for example but have always
decided against because the business ownership of Macs is minimal. I
don't have a single client who has any other operating system in their
businesses other than Microsoft Windows of some form. The business owners
want Windows not because its perfect or the cheapest but because in the
long run it is dependable and Microsoft will be around for a long time.
As one of the other posters has stated if Linux is so great and wonderful
and it is free then why hasn't the business community jumped on it and
bought in mass purchases as they have with Windows?

BillG

[...] I am a consultant in the real business world...

Then you probably wish to know what is TCO (total cost of ownership) and
buying compatible and the greatest and latest hardware is just the
beginning not the ending. Other than your personal preference (which is
valid but only to yourself), I haven't seen any value propositions from
your lengthy post as being a consultant.

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than
Windows ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps
adding new functionality to it version after version. I have Vista
running on two machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I
prefer using the Vista machines. I have found yes there are some issues
that I have with Vista but not enough to stop me from using it. I have
had minor problems so I also have had problems with XP and NT and 95 and
98 and dos etc. There is no perfect OS. I have worked with Linux and
Unix but unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business world and
don't deal with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux and Unix and
I have to use real operating systems that the majority of businesses use
and that's Windows operating system. Yes there are those programmers and
systems people stuck in little dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux
to run some applications but the majority of the business world uses
Windows. I think that the anti-Vista people are just whining over
nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer
programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I will never go
back to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on these forums with
Vista are the same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then
there are those that should not be using computers and you know who you
are. Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock
Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and problems.
But again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer with 1 GB of
ram and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try to buy a new
computer every 2 years. I am also not trying to run games developed
years ago on my Vista system. No one here is trying to watch Hi Def tv
on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So why should you expect to run the
latest and greatest operating system and software on the same type of
computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran the software of 5 years ago. I
certainly don't want to. Now I will sit back and wait for the flaming
from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am jealous of Microsoft's success"
crowd.

BillG

and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

 

[Alias]

No I am also basing my professional work on what my clients want and
have. I deal with middle size businesses all over the country who are
running my software and what they buy is Microsft (severs, SQL Server
and my .Net software). The real world for my clients is Windows. I
have often thought of developing my software on the MAC for example but
have always decided against because the business ownership of Macs is
minimal. I don't have a single client who has any other operating
system in their businesses other than Microsoft Windows of some form.
The business owners want Windows not because its perfect or the cheapest
but because in the long run it is dependable and Microsoft will be
around for a long time. As one of the other posters has stated if Linux
is so great and wonderful and it is free then why hasn't the business
community jumped on it and bought in mass purchases as they have with
Windows?

BillG

For the same reason that Robert Johnson didn't get well known until the
Stones, Hendrix, Clapton, etc., started singing his songs.

MOST people, business or otherwise, believe the FUD about Linux, that
it's only for geeks, etc. This is changing and more rapidly than you
could ever imagine.

Alias

[...] I am a consultant in the real business world...

Then you probably wish to know what is TCO (total cost of ownership)
and buying compatible and the greatest and latest hardware is just the
beginning not the ending. Other than your personal preference (which
is valid but only to yourself), I haven't seen any value propositions
from your lengthy post as being a consultant.

To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than
Windows ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps
adding new functionality to it version after version. I have Vista
running on two machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and
I prefer using the Vista machines. I have found yes there are some
issues that I have with Vista but not enough to stop me from using
it. I have had minor problems so I also have had problems with XP
and NT and 95 and 98 and dos etc. There is no perfect OS. I have
worked with Linux and Unix but unfortunately I am a consultant in the
real business world and don't deal with the I hate Bill Gates users
who love Linux and Unix and I have to use real operating systems that
the majority of businesses use and that's Windows operating system.
Yes there are those programmers and systems people stuck in little
dark dingy corners who use Unix and Linux to run some applications
but the majority of the business world uses Windows. I think that
the anti-Vista people are just whining over nothing. I am a
programmer using Visual Studio 2008 and I prefer programming on my
Vista machine over my XP machine. I will never go back to XP. A lot
of the people that have issues on these forums with Vista are the
same ones that had issues with XP and 95 and 98. And then there are
those that should not be using computers and you know who you are.
Please forgive my venting but I am tired of seeing people knock
Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has issues and
problems. But again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old computer
with 1 GB of ram and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I do, I try
to buy a new computer every 2 years. I am also not trying to run
games developed years ago on my Vista system. No one here is trying
to watch Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So why should
you expect to run the latest and greatest operating system and
software on the same type of computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran
the software of 5 years ago. I certainly don't want to. Now I will
sit back and wait for the flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I
am jealous of Microsoft's success" crowd.

BillG

and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

 

[Adam Albright]

No I am also basing my professional work on what my clients want and have.
I deal with middle size businesses all over the country who are running my
software and what they buy is Microsft (severs, SQL Server and my .Net
software). The real world for my clients is Windows. I have often thought
of developing my software on the MAC for example but have always decided
against because the business ownership of Macs is minimal. I don't have a
single client who has any other operating system in their businesses other
than Microsoft Windows of some form. The business owners want Windows not
because its perfect or the cheapest but because in the long run it is
dependable and Microsoft will be around for a long time. As one of the
other posters has stated if Linux is so great and wonderful and it is free
then why hasn't the business community jumped on it and bought in mass
purchases as they have with Windows?

Nice attempt at trying to twist the truth.

There is only ONE reason business owners use Windows. To run their
considerable investment in Windows based software. If any other OS ran
Windows software ACCURATELY millions upon millions of individuals and
practically all businesses would dump Windows overnight.

Since you obviously are unaware Microsoft is by far the most hated
software company on the planet. They are seen as arrogant, earned a
well deserved reputation as being bullies to partners and customers,
seen as aloof and unresponsive and as not giving a damn about their
customers.

 

[BillG]

I love making money and I want to make lots of it. If I thought that I
could generate revenue from my product written for any other OS then I would
do it immediately.

But I deal with a lot of middle management folks who don't have techo geeks
lurking in the basement to fix any problems with Linux or any other
operating system and whose users are comfortable with windows, who would
have nothing to do with anything other than Microsoft for an OS.

I am 53 this year and I plan to be programming for a long time yet, and I am
very positive that I will be programming for Microsoft Windows Operating
Systems for a long time yet. Give me Windows, Visual Studio .net, SQL
Server and some 3rd party .net components and I will be very happy and
content and generate enough revenue to keep me happy.

I have never had one of my customers say to me, what do you think about
Linux or Ubuntu or Macintosh?

BillG

No I am also basing my professional work on what my clients want and
have. I deal with middle size businesses all over the country who are
running my software and what they buy is Microsft (severs, SQL Server and
my .Net software). The real world for my clients is Windows. I have
often thought of developing my software on the MAC for example but have
always decided against because the business ownership of Macs is minimal.
I don't have a single client who has any other operating system in their
businesses other than Microsoft Windows of some form. The business owners
want Windows not because its perfect or the cheapest but because in the
long run it is dependable and Microsoft will be around for a long time.
As one of the other posters has stated if Linux is so great and wonderful
and it is free then why hasn't the business community jumped on it and
bought in mass purchases as they have with Windows?

BillG

For the same reason that Robert Johnson didn't get well known until the
Stones, Hendrix, Clapton, etc., started singing his songs.

MOST people, business or otherwise, believe the FUD about Linux, that it's
only for geeks, etc. This is changing and more rapidly than you could ever
imagine.

Alias

[...] I am a consultant in the real business world...

Then you probably wish to know what is TCO (total cost of ownership) and
buying compatible and the greatest and latest hardware is just the
beginning not the ending. Other than your personal preference (which is
valid but only to yourself), I haven't seen any value propositions from
your lengthy post as being a consultant.


To all you Vista whiners and haters.

I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since Dos 3.0. Other than
Windows ME, Microsoft keeps improving each operating system and keeps
adding new functionality to it version after version. I have Vista
running on two machines and XP running on one machine on my desk and I
prefer using the Vista machines. I have found yes there are some
issues that I have with Vista but not enough to stop me from using it.
I have had minor problems so I also have had problems with XP and NT
and 95 and 98 and dos etc. There is no perfect OS. I have worked with
Linux and Unix but unfortunately I am a consultant in the real business
world and don't deal with the I hate Bill Gates users who love Linux
and Unix and I have to use real operating systems that the majority of
businesses use and that's Windows operating system. Yes there are those
programmers and systems people stuck in little dark dingy corners who
use Unix and Linux to run some applications but the majority of the
business world uses Windows. I think that the anti-Vista people are
just whining over nothing. I am a programmer using Visual Studio 2008
and I prefer programming on my Vista machine over my XP machine. I
will never go back to XP. A lot of the people that have issues on
these forums with Vista are the same ones that had issues with XP and
95 and 98. And then there are those that should not be using computers
and you know who you are. Please forgive my venting but I am tired of
seeing people knock Vista. It is a great operating system. Yes, it has
issues and problems. But again I do not try to run it on a 5 year old
computer with 1 GB of ram and a 100 MB hard drive. Because of what I
do, I try to buy a new computer every 2 years. I am also not trying to
run games developed years ago on my Vista system. No one here is
trying to watch Hi Def tv on a 5 year old $200 Walmart TV. So why
should you expect to run the latest and greatest operating system and
software on the same type of computer that ran Windows 95/98 and ran
the software of 5 years ago. I certainly don't want to. Now I will
sit back and wait for the flaming from the "I hate Bill Gates and I am
jealous of Microsoft's success" crowd.

BillG

and no I am not that BillG. My bank account will prove it.

 

[BillG]

Since you are obviously a Microsoft hater and hate Windows, why you even be
on a Microsoft Forum? I hate Linux and MAC but I don't go trolling on their
forums to say anything negative about them. Are you using Windows? If so,
why? If it is so bad and Microsoft is so evil, why do you support them by
using their operating system and office products and other products?

BillG