My Analysis!!! > some thoughts about the evolution of OS's and technology

J

jim

The very fact that some sites are grabbing on straws to defend vista and
some users are trying very hard to find reasons why someone needs vista over
XP just shows that something is missing....

what is missing?

innovation!

"Some people see things like they are and say why, I dream things that never
were and say why not."

The above phrase you may know that J.F.Kennedy has said... however it was
originated by George Bernard Shaw...

Most people are in the "why" category
I am in the "why not" category
Vista fanboys are in the "I eat whatever MS feeds me and it goes directly to
my stomach without any processing from my brain"

Now I clearly see that vista is not a milestone as they wanted longhorn to
be, but a stepping stone...
a needed one no doubt, because the pc market was stagnating...
but its only a small step, not a leap..... not a leap we COULD have with
today's technology and brilliant minds.

So what is really missing? What is missing is the strong visionaries. People
who can dream things that never were and say why not....

people who can take what is all around and exist already... and from that
create something new... so advanced, that there would be
no question about if "vista is better than xp".....

I am sure that if a product was tremendously good... almost everyone would
gladly switch...

Now here is the problem... when a person asks such questions you immediately
try to imagine an alternative to windows,
and what comes into mind? Linux and MacOS. Unfortunately none of those 2
solutions are better! So you say Windows MUST be
the best we can do... Why is Linux not better than windows? (im talking
about the desktop pc, not servers)
Lack of drivers Lack of commercial software that can run, problems of
complexity for the simple user.
What problems does Macs have? They have a "closed" system, they want to make
all the hardware and software,
they are playing alone, and thus they are powerless. Can the Linux and Macs
change? They can if they put their heads to it...
But also something new can come up that will be different... perhaps some
version of Linux that at last gets its act correctly?

So since the competition for windows is so weak, why would MS need to make
super duper improvements? especially if they have
no real visionaries that have the power in their structure to influence?
Perhaps we want something from Microsoft that it cannot give? Perhaps it has
nothing more to give to the world?
Perhaps a new generation of developers must be bold enough do things in a
fresh and more human way?

MS played a significant role indeed.... it set the foundation for everyone
to play... but as a monopoly it wants to control and dominate,
and that can be a "retarding" effect on innovation.

What will happen? If MS does not come up with something significantly better
in the next 2 years others will jump in.

So I guess (and my prediction is) that MS cannot offer what has to be done
for the world, because of its "huge monopoly nature".

The new breakthroughs will come from small groups of people.... then
perhaps (like history has shown) MS will copy
those ideas and make their own versions... unless ....................... (I
will let you fill in the dots)

Now let me contradict myself... and let me say this: there is a possibility
that people DONT want radical changes and fast improvements!
They want incremental small steps that they are familiar with (see XP >
Vista).

If this is the case then MS is doing it on purpose... but I shiver at this
thought..... are people so inflexible in reality?
I know that no one had a cellphone some years ago... that not many people
used the internet....and no one had mp3 players!

I see that people welcome a fast paced change....IF it is towards the
better.... am I wrong?

I am not sure! You tell me......
 
J

jim

Once I posted this and read it... I had some second thoughts....

is what I posted above really the true needs of the people?

I mean windows is a firkin platform.... its a foundation for other people to
do the real innovation... and it cant change too much too fast because that
would create too many problems with the developers and their programs...

and if its not the platform then what else could MS do? Throw in 100
programs that do various things? The court battles of the past show that
people and even nations don't like that! The IE battle... the Media player
battle! Whatever MS tries to include.. they have problems with the "law"
because as a monopoly they destroy the competition...

so what can MS really do??? I see that they have too many constraints.. and
just cant
go ahead and "innovate" freely...

So this post is more of questions.. than saying something is bad or good..
its more food for thought....
 
B

Beck

jim said:
Once I posted this and read it... I had some second thoughts....

is what I posted above really the true needs of the people?

I mean windows is a firkin platform.... its a foundation for other people
to do the real innovation... and it cant change too much too fast because
that would create too many problems with the developers and their
programs...

and if its not the platform then what else could MS do? Throw in 100
programs that do various things? The court battles of the past show that
people and even nations don't like that! The IE battle... the Media player
battle! Whatever MS tries to include.. they have problems with the "law"
because as a monopoly they destroy the competition...

so what can MS really do??? I see that they have too many constraints..
and just cant
go ahead and "innovate" freely...

So this post is more of questions.. than saying something is bad or good..
its more food for thought....

A couple of good posts there Jim, even though some may disagree.
Personally I think Vista is a leap. It may not be evident at first sight,
but deep down there are many changes which will help the end user much more
than they realise.
You are right in that there is only so far that a company can go when
creating an OS. Microsoft know from these court battles that certain things
they cannot do or they will be pounced upon again so they are restricted.
I don't know what people expected from a new Windows. It has met my
expectations and any flaws I have found are down to third parties and their
lack of driver/software support.
 
R

Richard Urban

You have gone through all of this yet you have not stated one vision of what
you think Microsoft "should" have done.

Why don't you give us your ideas? If you keep them under the basket they
will never be able to be considered.

Others knock Vista, but the at least say what they think is wrong or
could/should have been included in the system.



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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
J

Justin

I couldn't even stomach half of that. This is as far as I got:

"vista is not a milestone as they wanted longhorn to be"
So what? That doesn't mean squat. This is just long windedness.

"not a leap we COULD have with today's technology and brilliant minds."
This is just more blah blah blah. Should have, Would have, Could have.
This is called nonsense talk. Especially from someone with no answers to
anything he questions. I guess by this logic, NASA is full of idiotic
morons. After all it's been how long and we haven't walked on anything but
the moon?

This is a prime example of people that expect too much. For some reason
they need to justify to themselves why the world should be something other
then what it is.
 
J

jim

if you knew the truth about nasa, you would NEVER had added that as an
example!!!

lol
 
V

Vash The Stampede

Now I clearly see that vista is not a milestone as they wanted longhorn to
be, but a stepping stone...
a needed one no doubt, because the pc market was stagnating... but its
only a small step, not a leap..... not a leap we COULD have with today's
technology and brilliant minds.


That's the way I see it. I had RC1 and while it had some interesting
touches, nothing really Earthshaking there.

'95 was a Breakthrough. Win2K was somewhat. XP was a merger of the two.
Vista is to XP what Win2K was to '95. An extension of something good. The
problen is, Win2K was BETTER than '95. I don't see anything better in
Vista.

I'll save my money for the next breakthrough OS.

Or try to load OS X on a non-Apple Intel... ;)
 
J

Justin

Wow! You really aren't too bright. What does "the people" responsible for
getting man on the moon have to do with the "other people" responsible for
media storage?

The "truth about NASA"? What a waste!

If that's all you got from my response then you got nothing from it at all.
Oh well.
 
J

Justin

Didn't you just get done being ripped a new one about using software
illegally? I'm guessing you're on the east coast somewhere using Verizon.
They're gonna get you!!!!!!!!!!
 
V

Vash The Stampede

Didn't you just get done being ripped a new one about using software
illegally? I'm guessing you're on the east coast somewhere using Verizon.
They're gonna get you!!!!!!!!!!

For what? I didn't hack anything! I ordered a copy of RC1 from Microsoft.
It was a free test program distributed to about 5 million people.

You have to visit microsoft.com once in a while! They even had it for
Download.

Nothing illegal here...

So, until I see something I like, I'll stick with my $199 copy of XP Pro,
and my Linux installs!

Of course, a lot of people (and a lot of whom were also on the 'test
program') have made the upgrade and tell me the release version is a lot
better then the RC version I have. But they haven't convinced me enough to
shell out a couple of hundred bucks to find out.

My Release Candidate version has an expiry date of June 7, 2007. However,
on John Stewart's show, Bill said we can keep using it, as a 'reward' for
our work on the project. Hey, Bill, how about a discount on the Real Deal?!?!

Nah, I'm just as happy running the copy I have. I'm savvy enough to get
through the bugs. But, that was pretty nice of Bill to tell us we can keep
using it (buggy though it may be!) Really, that was cool!

If Microsoft wants me to stop using it, it will be gone from my system by
11:59 June 7th... ;)


Oh, and by the way, I'm not the one who was GETTING ripped, I'm the one
that got the 'vacation'...nothing illegal here!!! That's why I run Linux,
because if I don't have the scratch to buy the Windows version, I can
generally get what I want to run on Linux...for FREE! There are plenty of
apps out there that will do whatever you want to do under Windows, but
being released under GPL (Gnu Public License), almost everything is free.
You have to be willing to put up with some bugs occasionally, and maybe
not having true compatibility with the 'Windows World' of certain aspects
of the Web.

But to avoid another 18 month vacation, I'm willing to live with bugs!!!!
That's why I'm trying to steer the other fellow away from Hacking
Vista...I bet Microsoft is going to be MUCH more aggressive about
licensing with Vista!


Unass the dugats and BUY IT!
 
J

Justin

"Or try to load OS X on a non-Apple Intel... ;)"
Well, if you don't want another 18-month vacation then don't steal OSX
either.
 

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