Multiple Transitions

[Guest]

Just started using MM 6 on Vista.

When working in a timeline or storyboard after I add the third transistion
between clips the preview screen goes black and I cannot play the timeline or
the story board. Take out the thrid transistion and everythng comes back.

Anybody else having this problem?

Thanks

 

[Guest]

Just started using MM 6 on Vista.

When working in a timeline or storyboard after I add the third transistion
between clips the preview screen goes black and I cannot play the timeline or
the story board. Take out the thrid transistion and everythng comes back.

Anybody else having this problem?

Thanks

Did some more playing around and it looks like the transition problem is a
little broader then just adding the third. By playing with the durations of
the transistions I got more then four to work. Played the timeline all the
way through and then saved the project. Reopened the project and the preveiw
screen is black and will not play.

 

[Graham Hughes]

vista does have it's own newsgroup at
windows.vista.music_pictures_video for future posts.

Is this a shop bought vista machin or have you upgraded?
Have you checked you have the latest vista compatible graphics card drivers?
What are the machine specs?

 

[Guest]

vista does have it's own newsgroup at
windows.vista.music_pictures_video for future posts.

Is this a shop bought vista machin or have you upgraded?
Have you checked you have the latest vista compatible graphics card drivers?
What are the machine specs?

--

Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.com

Store bought. Movie Maker was already installed

Not sure what the graphics drivers would have to do with transitions working
sometimes and sometimes not. If a driver was bad you would think it would be
all or nothing. Anyway I did all of the windows updates and it says all is up
to date. Are you thinking of something specific?

Thanks I will check out the other newsgroup.

HP dual core intel 2ghz, 4gig of ram.

 

[John Inzer]

snip<
Not sure what the graphics drivers would have to do with transitions
working sometimes and sometimes not. If a driver was bad you would
think it would be all or nothing. Anyway I did all of the windows
updates and it says all is up to date. Are you thinking of something
specific?
snip<

====================================
Windows Update is not a good source for an
updated video driver.

Try reducing your Graphics Hardware Acceleration
as per the instructions in the following article.

(272193) PI: How to Troubleshoot
Graphics Issues
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=272193
(scroll down to: Windows Vista)

If it improves the issue, you need to go to the
support website of your video adapter's mfg.
and search for Vista compatible drivers.

If you don't know the make and model of
your video adapter...check the documentation
that came with the computer.

Also you could try these steps...
Go to...Start / Search...type...
msinfo32 ...press enter.

On the System Information screen...choose...
Components / Display / Adapter Description

You should find the make and model of your
display adapter as well as the driver version.

If the driver on the support website is more
current than the one you are running...
download it and install it. Also you should find
installation instructions at the support site.

--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://tinyurl.com/aczzp

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

 

[Graham Hughes]

MM in vista uses the graphics processor unit, gpu, to process transitions
etc in work in progress, so it has everything to do with whether they work.
As to why it works sometimes and not others, is well, a problem that could
be casued by anything and is the same in all walks of life, why can't I
remember someone's name one day to the next

John has alreay explained where to get it from.

Are you running vista 64bit?

 

[Guest]

32 bit.

MM in vista uses the graphics processor unit, gpu, to process transitions
etc in work in progress, so it has everything to do with whether they work.
As to why it works sometimes and not others, is well, a problem that could
be casued by anything and is the same in all walks of life, why can't I
remember someone's name one day to the next

John has alreay explained where to get it from.

Are you running vista 64bit?

--

Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.com

 

[Guest]

John:

Using the Intel(R) 82945G Express Shipset Family
Driver Date 8/24/2007
Driver Version 7.14.10.1322

My Chipset does not allow any changes to the hardware acceleration.
Everything on that screen is greyed out.

I have the latest driver.

I did a search on the driver site and did not find any know issues with MM.

Don

 

[John Inzer]

John:

Using the Intel(R) 82945G Express Shipset Family
Driver Date 8/24/2007
Driver Version 7.14.10.1322

My Chipset does not allow any changes to the hardware acceleration.
Everything on that screen is greyed out.

I have the latest driver.

I did a search on the driver site and did not find any know issues
with MM.

Don

===================================
If you cannot adjust your Graphics Hardware
Acceleration I would suspect you have problems
far deeper than anything involving Movie maker.

--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://tinyurl.com/aczzp

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

 

[Guest]

Graham:

I have been in the technology business for 31 year as a code writer and
network engineer. Having worked on complex systems involving hardware and
software for that long my gut is telling me this not a driver problem for the
following reasons;

1. The number of people out there having similar issues with transistions
would make it highly unlikley that we are all using the same graphics card.
It is also highley unlikely that a large sample of cards would have problems
with this particular feature of MM.
2. A driver probllem would exhibit some signs of consitency when testing the
problem. IE Lets say we had a memory leak problem which was aggrevated by
putting to many tansistions in the timeline. That problem would always occur
when faced with the same set of circumstances. The fact that I can get
everything working by playing around with the timeline and then just saving
and reloading the project causes the problem to come back kinda of leads me
in another direction.

Obvously I could be wrong until we find the actual problem.


Don

 

[Graham Hughes]

Are you using on board graphics?
What is the motherboard?

 

[Graham Hughes]

We've found that dealing with MM can be problematical. It is also funny how
something that doesn't appear to have any relationship to a problem can in
fact be the cure, so by ruling out all the usual suspects firsts often means
we get to the bottom of the problem.

Lets start at the very beginning.

What file types do you have on the timeline?
Is it always the same transition that fails, or can you drop any transition
on as the third and it fails?
I don't have vista on at teh moment, but will have again next week, so if we
haven't sorted it by then I can try to repro it here. I must say though
when beta testing vista, I never had this problem at all.

 

[Guest]

Graham:

They are avi files that I imported using the MM import function.

It varies when it vails. Have tried various transistions on different
clilps. Sometimes I can get them to work just by resizing the transitions and
making them a little longer. Sometimes it is the third one I drop in
sometimes it is the fourth or fith. Seems to vary quite a bit. The only
consistant thing is that it is always more then three and it only happens
with the transistions. If I do fade in or fade outs they are ok.

The strangest thing is that I can fool around and get a whole timeline to
play wiht 6 or 7 transitions. Then just by saving and reopening the project
it no longer works.

Don

 

[PapaJohn]

AVI files come in many flavors... some work in Movie Maker, and others
don't. I wouldn't suspect the transitions themselves or anything else until
I knew what audio and video compressors the avi files were made from. See my
website's Import Movie Source Files > Video > AVI page.

 

[Guest]

PapaJohn:

Would seem kinda stupid for MM to import avi from its own capture
application that wern't compatable with the program. But from what I can
gather they are;

D1/DV NTSC (0.9)
720 x 480
29.97 fps
32000hz 16bit stereo audio

 

[PapaJohn]

I agree... I didn't know that was the type of AVI you're using...

 

[Guest]

That did get me thinking. MM has serveral ways to import files...you can do
one big one or seperate ones. I did seperate files for this project and a
single file for a project I just did today. Same problem on both.

The easiest way to test this is to import something from a camera and create
10 -12 scenes. Drop the clips on the timeline and start draggin in
transitions. Somewhere between 3-8 the preview screen will go black and you
won't be able to play the timeline anymore.

 

[PapaJohn]

I was going to do some testing tonight... but I'm a bit confused about the
exact steps to take to get to where you have issues with the transitions.

You say you used the option to import as separate files... from what I've
seen that option gets you a pack of wmv files, not DV-AVI ones.

 

[Guest]

You are right that is what the doc says. I will double check the files.

You can test with the single file import it breaks with that as well.

 

[Graham Hughes]

I can't think of anything else and until a new hdd arrives, and with postal
strikes here, who knows when it's going to come, I can't re-install vista
and try to recreate it.