Multiboot Single Copy of Win XP

[Lee Chapelle]

I agree. People shouldn't be "lending" software or any copyrighting
material to others outside their household, that is illegal distribution.

Though Free Public Libraries never hurt the book publishing industry.

I agree too, having multiple instances of the same copy of Windows on the
same pc needs to be explicitly *allowed* in the EULA and all this pointless
bickering over it needs to end.

Get the lawyers on that right now, will you Mike?

Books are different though, you read them once, computer operating systems
are used constantly.

 

[kurttrail]

The majority of our Beta testers are corporate employees and their
test machines and labs are covered under appropriate volume licensing
agreements. Other testers are covered under MSDN licensing. Those
few single/home users that choose to participate in Beta programs do
so on the understanding that they must meet the prerequisites for the
program and that this may include certain licensing issues.

You are fooling only yourself, if you believe that anyone is buying two
OSs for use on one machine to beta test your other software. I'll refer
you back to the post of Alex Nichol:

"And if you had to get a second license Microsoft would run very short
of testers." -
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/d5f55eb1e291da11?hl=en

As I said the KB makes no reference to the EULA - it does not need
to, as it is a technical article about how to do side by side
installs etc.

You didn't say that, Mike! What a revisionist you are!

You said, "Then they should be more careful." in response to my saying,
"Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!" which was a reponse
to you saying, "As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest
you breach the licensing agreement to do the multiple installs."

Which I took to mean that you felt that they [the KB Articles] should be
more careful and mention the EULA.

Just as in the KB articles about doing installs we do
not reiterate the EULA as in both cases you will see it during your
install and you should there fore it and either accept it or not.

And like I've said plenty of times in the past, people have EVERY right
to interpret the EULA as they see fit, and reject YOUR, YOUR COMPANIES
or anyone elses interpretation of it. MS is NOT the final authority on
the enforcability of your bloody EULA! As Alex said about installing
the same copy more than one on the same computer is "That is an
unresolved question."

Reasonable people can disagree with MS's interpretation of the EULA.

There is an expectation on people that they read information and
documents before they sign it or agree to abide by it etc.

LOL! And not everybody reading the EULA will agree on what it means.
And will accept the EULA based on their own interpretation!

I'm not sure why you seem to think there is a conflict of interests
here? I certainly don't have any.

ROFL! You certainly are stating you don't have any. As a MSFT employee
that is FORCED to add a disclaimer to every post you send to this group,
it is a reasonable assumption that you are totally conflicted.

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"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[M]

If you read the license VERY carefully " Installation and use. You may
install ... one copy of the Product..." If you were to read this literally
then it would be illegal to even reinstall XP in the case of a trashed
operating system. This has to be open to interpretation because otherwise
reinstallation, which Microsoft clearly allow would also be illegal. The
only way this point this can ever be resolved would be for Microsoft to
clearly state precisely how this was meant to be interpreted. My guess is
that they probably couldn't care less about a few hobbyists with multiple
installs on a single machine.
I did a least buy my copy of XP which is more that can be said for many
people that I know!

 

[John]

You wont have any problems with product activation because you will be
activating on the same hardware. You could instead clone a single install
activated install adjusting the boot.ini file for each install, then you
will only have to activate once.
There is some difference of opinion as to whether this is within the
license. I actually phoned up to activate one of my installations and was
assured that you can load the same copy of XP on the same PC as many times
as you like including simultaneous installs. However there are many that
say that each simultaneous install on the same PC requires a separate
licence. As far as I am concerned as I can only boot into one installation
at any one time then one license will do!

I agree with the latter but the former cloning idea just isn't going to
work on a single computer, not without massive registry edits at least.


You bought it, do with it as you want just don't expect MS or the
MSMVPs here to help you. For your info you can put two XP (same version,
same key) installs on the same computer in different partitions and/or
on different drives, I've done it. But for what I wanted a small W2K
install proved to be a better alternative. There was a time (NT4 days)
when MS *recommended* a dual install as a fall back. I heeded that
advice then and eventually found that they were right. Even more so with
a modern Windows comp connected to broadband 24/7. Certainly no excuse
not to protect yourself, but to borrow a Vietnam era term ... shit happens.

John

 

[Michael Stevens]

Sorry to be late to the party, but I don't understand why you can't address
this topic in the newsgroups. Don't you think this would clarify your
reasoning on why it is wrong, since a second install will 99.9% of the time
activate without any problem?
What is to be discussed? When you install a second, third, fourth, etc.
install of XP on the same hardware the activation is 99% of the time
directed to internet activation and if you need to call; all that is
necessary to say is you are activating on the same hardware. There should be
no obligation determining what information is available in any source. If
Microsoft didn't want you to have the ability to install multiple installs
on the SAME hardware; don't you think they would disallow internet
activation? They do have the technology to stop this kind of activation, but
they don't. Maybe the WPA architects understood real life situations take
precedence and is not always black and white. What is wrong with Rick
telling the OP the truth? What should we tell the person faced with losing
their valuable information?

Mike, Drop me an email I would love to grab your ear and give you some
opinions to pass along to the people that framed your opinion on the finer
point of activation. Do you remember why activativation was implemented?
Wasn't it to make the casual user aware that XP was allowed to be installed
on one computer with the same hardware at a time?

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Rick,

 

[george c]

thats all good but what do you do when you have computer crash time after
time that means you have to by the licence all the time thats reap of .so
every time the coputer crashes you have to spend 200 huded dollars the the
new licence i dont thing thats fare.microsoft should provide you with the
tools to reaper hardrive crushes so this way you dont have to reload windows
time after time i thing it is fair

 

[olfart]

thats all good but what do you do when you have computer crash time after
time that means you have to by the licence all the time thats reap of .so
every time the coputer crashes you have to spend 200 huded dollars the the
new licence i dont thing thats fare.microsoft should provide you with the
tools to reaper hardrive crushes so this way you dont have to reload
windows
time after time i thing it is fair

Huh????

 

[John John (MVP)]

What on earth are you talking about? You can reinstall Windows XP on
the *same* computer as often as you want.

John

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

What on earth are you talking about? You can reinstall Windows XP on
the *same* computer as often as you want.

And if it's a retail copy, you can reinstall it on *different*
computers as often as you want (as long as it's never on two computers
at once).