MSN pop3 access blocked in Vista Beta 2?

[Bradley Bridgewater]

Neither Windows Mail nor Outlook 2007 Beta will connect to a pop3 account I
have had with MSN for over ten years. (It has never been an HTML account --
I have had this account since before Microsoft bought Hotmail.) I am
simultaneously looking at the account settings page for this acount in
Outlook Express on my laptop running Windows XP and the equivalent page in
Windows Mail on my desktop running Vista Beta 2 and the settings are
identical: Incoming mail server is pop3.email.msn.com, outgoing mail server
is smtp.email.msn.com, user name and password are the same, Secure Passowrd
Authentication box is checked, the settings for the outgoing server are the
same, the settings on the "Advanced" tab are the same. I do the same wtih
Outlook 2003 on my laptop, and Outlook 2007 on the Vista Beta 2 machine.
What is different in both instances is that the program on my laptop
retrieves and sends mail without any problem, while the equivalent program
on the Vista Beta 2 machine reports that my email server rejected my login.
(Reports error 0x800CCC18) What can be going on here, except that
Microsoft, for incomprehensible reasons, has disabled pop3 access to MSN in
Vista? Why would they do that?

This would be reason enough for me to avoid adopting Vista. I need access
to that account.

 

[Jason]

I am currently using Beta 2. I also have MS Outlook 2007 beta 2 setup with
a POP3 account with no problems. Windows Mail doesn't work with HTML mail
from what I understand but Microsoft Live Mail Desktop will work with
hotmail accounts. I personally use Live messenger to bring up my Windows
Live Mail account with no problems. So I can honestly say that it is not
Vista that is blocking it.

 

[Bradley Bridgewater]

I don't think you read my message very carefully. As I said in the second
line, the MSN account I am trying to connect to IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN AN
HTML ACCOUNT. As additional information: I also have no problem with OTHER
pop3 accounts I have. It is only the MSN pop3 account that gets errors.

 

[Garry L]

I have the same exact problem and circumstances that Bradley Bridgewater
has. I even downloaded the Mozzila mail program and tried it. I get the
same results. My charter\pop3 account works fine, my msn\pop3 is rejected
with the same error message. My account was also in service a long time
before Hotmail ever came out. Actually I started it with the Msn beta in th
90's.

I've been reading the Vista news groups since I installed Vista. I have
seen a couple other post that mention the same problem, but I havn't seen a
solution yet. Usauly someone tries to get Http or hotmail involved

 

[dotcom]

Same here guys.
I have an old MSN POP3 account that I never converted over to web based mail
when they did that and it has been working fine on two other computers of
mine running XP MCE and XP Pro. Will not work in Vista. I was wondering if
it was blocked also since it uses the now antiquated SPA. Dunno. Can't get
any answer on that either.
dotcom

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM]

I am currently using Beta 2. I also have MS Outlook 2007 beta 2 setup with
a POP3 account with no problems. Windows Mail doesn't work with HTML mail
from what I understand but Microsoft Live Mail Desktop will work with
hotmail accounts. I personally use Live messenger to bring up my Windows
Live Mail account with no problems. So I can honestly say that it is not
Vista that is blocking it.

Windows Mail works fine with HTML mail. Are you thinking of HTTP mail?

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM]

Neither Windows Mail nor Outlook 2007 Beta will connect to a pop3 account
I have had with MSN for over ten years. (It has never been an HTML
account -- I have had this account since before Microsoft bought
Hotmail.) I am simultaneously looking at the account settings page for
this acount in Outlook Express on my laptop running Windows XP and the
equivalent page in Windows Mail on my desktop running Vista Beta 2 and the
settings are identical: Incoming mail server is pop3.email.msn.com,
outgoing mail server is smtp.email.msn.com, user name and password are the
same, Secure Passowrd Authentication box is checked, the settings for the
outgoing server are the same, the settings on the "Advanced" tab are the
same. I do the same wtih Outlook 2003 on my laptop, and Outlook 2007 on
the Vista Beta 2 machine. What is different in both instances is that the
program on my laptop retrieves and sends mail without any problem, while
the equivalent program on the Vista Beta 2 machine reports that my email
server rejected my login. (Reports error 0x800CCC18) What can be going on
here, except that Microsoft, for incomprehensible reasons, has disabled
pop3 access to MSN in Vista? Why would they do that?

This would be reason enough for me to avoid adopting Vista. I need access
to that account.

Is it a Premium account? If not I don't think it will work.

 

[Bradley Bridgewater]

It is a POP3 account, and has been since MSN was in its original beta in
1995. As others have noted in this thread, this is a bug peculiar to MSN
POP3 accounts and only in Vista. The accounts have worked fine, and as
expected -- as POP3, not HTML, accounts --, in Windows 95, Windows NT,
Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000 and Windows XP, but Vista seems to
specifically block them. I also have a Yahoo Mail Plus account, with Pop3
access, and it works fine in Windows Mail on Vista Beta 2. But not my MSN
POP3 account

 

[Jason]

My bad, Ment HTTP, sorry.

Windows Mail works fine with HTML mail. Are you thinking of HTTP mail?

 

[dotcom]

Mine is a standard POP3 account that I have had since Windows 95. Premium
has something to do with web based mail and MSN software I think. My
account is standard POP3 and the only difference between it and any other
POP3 account is that the MSN account has always required the SPA (secure
password authentication) box to be checked and that's where I believe the
problem is. I am thinking that Windows Mail/Vista does not support SPA or
at least not on it's current build. Maybe on a later build it might but I
sincerely doubt it since SPA has been a problem since it's inception. The
"Looping" problem being the biggest. Again, this is a standard POP3 account
and has nothing to do with Premium or web based or http or MSN software or
anything of that sort.
dotcom

 

[Guest]

I am also having trouble with accessing my @msn.com email with beta 2. I
have downloaded and installed Office 2007. I have also tried disabling my
virus protection to no avail. I have a clean install of beta 2 on a new hard
drive as I was having lots of problems with beta2 and Office when I done the
update method. So I know the problem can't be from the old system. I hope
Microsoft's Vista team or Office 2007 team can come up with a fix.

 

[Guest]

Also when I make a post I get a warning that my post failed to try again
later and then it shows up.

 

[Guest]

Hi There

In fact, this problem is not related to Outlook 2007 Beta. The problem has
his source in the VISTA Beta 2, to be exactely in the SPA engine there.
And there are several (however, not all) POP Services affected who need SPA
login, not only MSN. Also strange is that Beta 1 from VISTA does not hade
this problem at all. Up to this time, I was not be able to find a real
solution for this but I will still try to search... . For all of you who have
the problem with a POP MSN account, there is a workarround for this service:

Configure a HTTP acount in Outlook under Vista:

(e-mail address removed) as address and just use your MSN passwort.

With this solution, you can get your MSN e-mail under VISTA. However, this
is just a workarround and does not solve the real problem VISTA Beta 2 has
with the SPA service under POP3 accounts. (However, this works with all
Outlokk versions under VISTA.)

RGDS Martin

 

[MB and Pat]

I have been with MSN for over 10 years and I am having the same identical
problem. I agree that unless it is fixed, I will not be upgrading to Vista.
Millard

 

[deansdad]

Hi There

In fact, this problem is not related to Outlook 2007 Beta. The problem has
his source in the VISTA Beta 2, to be exactely in the SPA engine there.
And there are several (however, not all) POP Services affected who need
SPA
login, not only MSN. Also strange is that Beta 1 from VISTA does not hade
this problem at all. Up to this time, I was not be able to find a real
solution for this but I will still try to search... . For all of you who
have
the problem with a POP MSN account, there is a workarround for this
service:

Configure a HTTP acount in Outlook under Vista:

(e-mail address removed) as address and just use your MSN passwort.

With this solution, you can get your MSN e-mail under VISTA. However, this
is just a workarround and does not solve the real problem VISTA Beta 2 has
with the SPA service under POP3 accounts. (However, this works with all
Outlokk versions under VISTA.)

RGDS Martin

 

[deansdad]

mk;

"in fact"...............
you really don't have a clue about that which you pontificate upon.

better that your suck up musings go challenged than not....
....so....

would you mind citing, say three or four, of the "several..POP services
affected who need SPA login, not only MSN" (YOUR QUOTE...not mine)

ok, 3 or 4 was probably a trick question....sorry....how 'bout you just give
us TWO?

Since you (and at least a couple others who've posted to this thread, mvps
and all) obviously don't "git it" and have no understanding of the history
of msn vis a vis SPA, I'll try to make this as simple as I can.

Your "workarround" <sic>.....is NOT a "solution".....converting the pop3
(legacy) account to HTTP is EXACTLY what BB DOESN'T want to do....

Next week, we'll have a "connect the dots" class....attend it and chances
are pretty good you too will qualify for mvp status (the following week,
we'll do "color by numbers" if need be)....keep up the good work!!!

BB..........
I've some other "issues" going on with the Vista beta, so don't take it as
gospel....but, like you, a connect to msn/pop3 account under either
vistamail or office beta (despite including SPA) hasn't happened.

My guess (?)........

We've all known for quite some time that it was just a "matter of time" re
msn and pop3.

They just got tired of eating all that crow with SPA.
And.....they figured out that http=advertising $$$$......customer be damned.

And yes..........like you, I lament the fact (but am not surprised by it)
that MSFT is oblivious to the concerns of those of us for whom a pop3 mail
account actually matters.
Sadly, the MK's and mvps of this world that really "don't git it" simply
play into their hands.....but that's what shills do best and why they exist.

Anyone else reading this thread would be well advised to explore ANY other
option for keeping their msn/pop3 account intact before following the advice
proffered by msrs kuster and (tacitly) saunders.

 

[MB and Pat]

I just found something interesting.. In addition to POP3 I am having the
same problem with the SMTP (outgoing) server as well. The interesting thing
is I am sending this response (to the newsgroup) from within Windows Mail
via the SMTP server. The difference is I get a dialog box to 'log into my
..net account'. After I log in it goes out..

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM]

I just found something interesting.. In addition to POP3 I am having the
same problem with the SMTP (outgoing) server as well. The interesting thing
is I am sending this response (to the newsgroup) from within Windows Mail
via the SMTP server. The difference is I get a dialog box to 'log into my
.net account'. After I log in it goes out..

No you aren't. You are sending the response in the newsgroup via the NNTP
server or an HTTP server.

 

[Mark D. VandenBerg]

I do not have an MSN POP account, and perhaps this is not relevant, but
wouldn't a third-party mail client such as Eudora work?

 

[Carl G]

Hi Guys
I was haveing the same problem with my Qwest DSL MSN premium acount.
All worked great on my PC , but my wife is haveing problems.
I called Qwest and after a long trouble shooting time they came up and told
me that msn wasn't leting a sub conection log in.
I have DSL modem connected to MY pc and hers has a wireless connection.
The website wouldn't let me download msn to her pc either.
So i figured we were stuck with hotmail through messenger.
We were useing http mail on outlook express.
I called Qwest support later this eavening and they got me to a site that
left me download MSN to her pc. Now she can use hotmail from MSN.
They told me the http mail would be back up and running again.
Has problems now i guess.
Maybe this will help somebody.
Morell of the story is i could use MSN or http mail on the main pc ,but not
a sub or added pc to the acount.
thank
Carl G