Move XP/Office Software to New PC?

[kurttrail]

Oh, I read your post. But did you read your OEM EULA? I'd have to
say not, or you'd not even needed to ask the question.

Actually not all OEM XP EULA's read the same way.

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single inte­grated
product and may only be used with the HARDWARE." - WinXP OEM­ Gold

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single inte­grated
product and may only be used with the COMPUTER." - WinXP OEM­ SP1

So with a copy of WinXP OEM­ Gold, the software would be licensed with
the Harddrive that it was sold with.

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[JGM]

I don't really want the last word so this is as far as I'm going....
My thinking is diametrically opposed to your final position and statement
(EULA ET AL) ....your signature tells a lot. As an ex service person..... I
would point out to you that maneuvering has always been the key for great
victories. Litigious thinking in order to train the general public has
never won anything,ever. Ask your lawyer. Time will tell.
I'm not speaking about software piracy sales in case you don't get my gist.
I'm not for that at all, although all I can say is that too tight a position
is disadvantageous to MS.

Regards Graham

 

[JGM]

You know Bruce ..... I have been thinking about ... If one were photocopying
a book in order that, one intended to read it in say, in a living room and a
bathroom as one moved around the house and say, not withstanding copyright
infringement articles, intellectual property etc. If one, say, were
restrained from doing it by exterior control as per ((Activation" ))... I
believe that a "Tort" may well have been committed and the case could well
be argued for this kind of personal damage, notwithstanding , say, that one
had, say read the "EULA" and so on it goes Bruce.

 

[1411]

It's my understanding that the OEM version can be sold with any
hardware, even a $0.69 cent connector. It is 'locked' to the
machine that it is installed on, but that is another question. Use
Goggle.

 

[JGM]

The legalities of the whole thing are very disturbing to me .. What actually
transpires if you research this a little is that ... quasi legal events
come into play only if you activate over the internet and then start to
update online ... If for instance you activated honestly as you should,
say, by phone (Not Online) then later updated with nothing but the network
updates on CD ... everything would be fine ...... If I reinstalled again
and again this way ... Its a little weird to me and it obviously invites
abuse .... and hacking "joy" ...... It is plain "Daft" as the English say..

Locked to the PC Name?
Locked to the Bios?
Locked to bios updates?
Locked to MOBO?
Locked to HD?
Locked to My E_mail?
Locked to static IP?
Locked to a non static IP at the time? All These are potentially transient
...... All I want is a little understanding of the fact that it only works
for a selected segment of people who never change any thing...... Give me a
break some one , ... Own Up ? Admit I should not have to worry about this, I
should just be able to do it.

Regards Graham

 

[Miss Perspicacia Tick]

It's my understanding that the OEM version can be sold with any
hardware, even a $0.69 cent connector. It is 'locked' to the
machine that it is installed on, but that is another question. Use
Goggle.

Then you understand incorrectly. It *MUST* be an item of *NON* peripheral
hardware - therefore a "$0.69 cent [/sic/] connector" would *NOT* qualify. A
hard drive, motherboard or CPU would.


What's "Goggle" [/sic/] ;o)

 

[Alias]

| 1411 wrote:
| >
| > It's my understanding that the OEM version can be sold with any
| > hardware, even a $0.69 cent connector. It is 'locked' to the
| > machine that it is installed on, but that is another question. Use
| > Goggle.
|
| Then you understand incorrectly. It *MUST* be an item of *NON* peripheral
| hardware - therefore a "$0.69 cent [/sic/] connector" would *NOT* qualify.
A
| hard drive, motherboard or CPU would.

Um, that is true in the USA, not so in Spain. In Spain, no hardware is
required and 95% of the computer stores do not sell a retail version (no one
would buy it!) Please remember that this is an international newsgroup and
please give your advice accordingly.

Thank you.

 

[Tom]

It's my understanding that the OEM version can be sold with any
hardware, even a $0.69 cent connector. It is 'locked' to the
machine that it is installed on, but that is another question. Use
Goggle.

Then you understand incorrectly. It *MUST* be an item of *NON* peripheral
hardware - therefore a "$0.69 cent [/sic/] connector" would *NOT* qualify. A
hard drive, motherboard or CPU would.


What's "Goggle" [/sic/] ;o)

 

[Tom]

It's my understanding that the OEM version can be sold with any
hardware, even a $0.69 cent connector. It is 'locked' to the
machine that it is installed on, but that is another question. Use
Goggle.

Then you understand incorrectly. It *MUST* be an item of *NON* peripheral
hardware - therefore a "$0.69 cent [/sic/] connector" would *NOT* qualify. A
hard drive, motherboard or CPU would.

Wrong! Bruce is correct in what he stated as XP being sold with a(n) (external) peripheral, and that OEM XP purchase is then tied to the first PC on which it is installed (though the conditions are vague at best).

Walmart for example, sells an OEM XP Pro for $198.98 USD, with a mouse (which is a peripheral).

http://tinyurl.com/3q6fj

What's "Goggle" [/sic/] ;o)

Smiley or not, spelling lames suck, especially those that (many times) misspell or use poor grammar against their own standards, that they impose upon others with ridicule.

 

[XS11E]

The legalities of the whole thing are very disturbing to me ..

Look, quit debating the whole EULA thing and wasting everyone's time
with stuff that's been discussed over and over again here.

You can search Google groups and turn up dozens of conversations about
this so.....

READ THE DAMN EULA!

Then make your own decision.

 

[kurttrail]

Look, quit debating the whole EULA thing and wasting everyone's time
with stuff that's been discussed over and over again here.

Is someone forcing you to read this thread? If not, why are you wasting
your time reading it? Take responsibility for your own actions. Graham
has every right to post his opinion about the vageries of MS's EULA.

You can search Google groups and turn up dozens of conversations about
this so.....

More like thousands. But just because it has been discussed thousands
of times before doesn't mean a thing. The USENET would just be a bunch
of binary groups.

READ THE DAMN EULA!

Then make your own decision.

And then share your opinion! That is the USENET is for. If you think
this and all EULA discussions are a waste of time, then don't read them!
You are the only one wasting your own time if you continue to read them!

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[Bruce Chambers]

kurttrail wrote:
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So with a copy of WinXP OEM­ Gold, the software would be licensed with
the Harddrive that it was sold with.

Only until the hard drive gets installed into a computer, and then the
OEM license because an integrated part of the computer. Read the whole
EULA, not just the parts you like.

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[Bruce Chambers]

I don't really want the last word so this is as far as I'm going....
My thinking is diametrically opposed to your final position and statement
(EULA ET AL) ....your signature tells a lot. As an ex service person..... I
would point out to you that maneuvering has always been the key for great
victories. Litigious thinking in order to train the general public has
never won anything,ever. Ask your lawyer. Time will tell.
I'm not speaking about software piracy sales in case you don't get my gist.
I'm not for that at all, although all I can say is that too tight a position
is disadvantageous to MS.

I'm sorry, but was the above supposed to convey some sort of meaning?
Other than you statement that you disagree with my quoting the EULA, the
bulk of the post makes no sense. I mean, the words are from the English
language, but are meaningless as assembled.

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[Bruce Chambers]

You know Bruce ..... I have been thinking about ... If one were photocopying
a book in order that, one intended to read it in say, in a living room and a
bathroom as one moved around the house and say, not withstanding copyright
infringement articles, intellectual property etc. If one, say, were
restrained from doing it by exterior control as per ((Activation" ))... I
believe that a "Tort" may well have been committed and the case could well
be argued for this kind of personal damage, notwithstanding , say, that one
had, say read the "EULA" and so on it goes Bruce.

What's this have to do with anything? Books and software are treated
quite differently in several respects, under copyright law.


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[Bruce Chambers]

It's my understanding that the OEM version can be sold with any
hardware, even a $0.69 cent connector. It is 'locked' to the machine
that it is installed on, but that is another question. Use Goggle.

That's pretty close. The actuals terms required of OEM sellers is that
the OEM license must be sold with a non-peripheral hardware component.
A power adapter could qualify. Once installed, the license becomes
bound to the entire computer. (Although there are some who read the
EULA differently, on this point. It could have been made much clearer.)


But, what's the "Use Google" but about? I've no need to look this up,
I've an OEM EULA on hand to read.


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[Bruce Chambers]

Locked to the PC Name?
Locked to the Bios?
Locked to bios updates?
Locked to MOBO?
Locked to HD?
Locked to My E_mail?
Locked to static IP?
Locked to a non static IP at the time? All These are potentially transient
..... All I want is a little understanding of the fact that it only works
for a selected segment of people who never change any thing...... Give me a
break some one , ... Own Up ? Admit I should not have to worry about this, I
should just be able to do it.

The biggest problem arises from people buying a fully assembled
computer with a branded OEM OS pre-installed from a "low-end" supplier.
It does one very little good to have a valid OEM license, if the OEM's
recovery method locks the CDs to a specific BIOS or hardware
configuration, which most of the lower-end manufacturers do. If the
computer comes with a true installation CD, rather than a Recovery disks
containing a drive image, the user has a much better chance of
successfully upgrading the computer.

Anyway, according to the EULA, an OEM license may not be transferred
from one distinct PC to another PC. However, this most emphatically
does not prohibit one from repairing or upgrading the PC on which an OEM
license is installed.

Now, some people believe that the motherboard is the key component
that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does not make any
such distinction. Others have said that one could successfully argue
that it's the PC's case that is the deciding component, as that is where
one is instructed to affix the OEM CoA label w/Product Key. Again, the
EULA does not specifically define any single component as the computer.

Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ publicly to define
when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original
computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to this
definition (in a public forum) is to tell the person making the inquiry
to consult the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is
solely the responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine
what sort of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support
agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded
computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM
EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer. If you've
built the system yourself, and used a generic OEM CD, then _you_ are the
"OEM," and _you_ get to decide when you'll no longer support your product."



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[Bruce Chambers]

Then you understand incorrectly. It *MUST* be an item of *NON* peripheral
hardware - therefore a "$0.69 cent [/sic/] connector" would *NOT* qualify. A
hard drive, motherboard or CPU would.

I don't know about your computer, but mine has quite a few "69¢
connectors" *inside* it, which means they are definitely non-peripheral.


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[kurttrail]

kurttrail wrote:
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Only until the hard drive gets installed into a computer, and then the
OEM license because an integrated part of the computer. Read the
whole EULA, not just the parts you like.

Actually, the RTM EULA contradicts itself, and that's why they changed
the wording in OEM SP1.

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[kurttrail]

I'm sorry, but was the above supposed to convey some sort of meaning?
Other than you statement that you disagree with my quoting the EULA,
the bulk of the post makes no sense. I mean, the words are from the
English language, but are meaningless as assembled.

I must of missed the part where you quoted the EULA. I definitely
didn't see any quotation marks in either of your previous posts in this
thread.

"An OEM version must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a
motherboard or hard rive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_
bound to the first PC on which it's installed. An OEM license, once
installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under _any_
circumstances." - Brucey's first post in this thread.

"Oh, I read your post. But did you read your OEM EULA? I'd have to say
not, or you'd not even needed to ask the question." - Brucey's second
post in this thread.

So which post did you quote the EULA or are you lying again, Brucey?

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[Bruce Chambers]

Walmart for example, sells an OEM XP Pro for $198.98 USD, with a mouse (which is a peripheral).

See, now that's a tricky call. Is a mouse a "peripheral?"

Well, it's on exterior of the computer, and it's connected by a wire
(or a wireless connection). It certainly seems to be a peripheral.

But, one of the meanings of "peripheral," particularly as it applies to
computers, is: AUXILIARY, SUPPLEMENTARY. Is a mouse truly
"supplementary" for most people? Can they use their computer without
it? Probably not very easily, although it is actually possible to do
nearly anything one wants using a keyboard alone. I doubt most people
would actually think of a mouse as unnecessary to the operation of the
computer, even if, technically, it is.


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