Microsoft sells 20 million Vista licenses - beats Windows XP

[jim kirk]

For some reason I believe that the only people using vista
are the "regulars" posting in here saying its great

 

[Justin]

So as of Jan 30th 2007, XP became an obsolete OS ? and waiting 2-3 years
to upgrade will make them sorry ? Gosh, I wouldn't want people to miss
the chance to enjoy the bugs of a newly released OS.

A disservice ? Someone is use to working on XP, they don't know computers
and they just learned the basics and now they have to re-learn. A daunting
task for some users.

You obviously like Vista, and I dont care for it much. But why is it, that
my opinion is dogma ? I got family members that are happily running
Windows 2000 (I guess it's amazing that it can access anything it's so
obsolete), How do you go in to convince them that they need Vista to check
their e-mail and to update their myspace page ? Better internet security ?
Some are still on AOL dial-up with it being 1-2 years before DSL is expect
to reach them ? Everyone else they know is running Windows XP, it's what
they use at work\school. Why would I make them the lone person to run
Vista ? Oh that's right, it has just been released and it's so cool,
There's obviously no bugs with Vista everyone should just be diving right
in, anyone who says otherwise is just spewing out their dogma. All the
companies that are holding off upgrading to Vista, that's just pure dogma
!

Her son, works for the Univeristy of Missouri, one of his co-workers
brought in a new laptop with Vista and what did the IT folks say ? we
don't support Vista, but we'll load XP on it for you. He's not a technical
guy, so he says, If the IT folks won't support it. I don't want it. More
dogma I know !

Maybe you need more family members and friends to support. I get enough
calls as it is. Sorry for not beleving a 2 month old OS is going to make
everything perfect for everyone, that's just my dogma

I liked the movie Dogma. Very funny. This is all well and great however
you didn't address the fact that even HP offers XP. Can the "mom" send back
what she has and get the XP model? Or is to late?

 

[Dale White]

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everything perfect for everyone, that's just my dogma

I liked the movie Dogma. Very funny. This is all well and great however
you didn't address the fact that even HP offers XP. Can the "mom" send
back what she has and get the XP model? Or is to late?

I didn't really get the movie dogma. Now if he would have said passing along
my Napoleon Dynamite, I wouldn't have gotten nearly as excited.

Exchange it ? Me no no. I'm know the order she placed was one of those
weekly special combo deals, where she got a 17" flat panel for like $50 and
some other bells and whistles for like $700, not sure if the business line
offers those kind of deals. Currently she's going to try Vista and see if
she can deal with it. The good part (for me anyways), is she only uses the
PC about twice a week and if it fails, she has XP from her previous (dead)
PC to install. AOL 9.0 is suppose to be Vista Ready now, but she says it
won't stay connected like it did before with the old PC and XP. So we're
going to try another modem and go at it from there

 

[LaRoux]

So as of Jan 30th 2007, XP became an obsolete OS ?

obsolete - adj. - Outmoded in design, style, or construction

Yes, Vista makes XP obsolete or outmoded in design, style, or construction.
Even if nothing changed with Vista or XP going forward, XP will die off the
same as Win2000, and 98 before. It doesn't mean that those aren't still
serviceable to some people in some situations, just that they are obsolete.

and waiting 2-3 years to upgrade will make them sorry ? Gosh, I wouldn't
want people to miss the chance to enjoy the bugs of a newly released OS.

As soon as they go to add a piece of software, hardware, or use a function
that is Vista only, they will be sorry. And then you will tell them that
they have to spend $160 to upgrade to something that they could have had for
free from day one when the new computer only cost $500 to start with. And
its not jsut the next 2-3 years, Mom will probably have that new computer
more like 5-7 years, longer if all they really do is basic stuff.

A disservice ? Someone is use to working on XP, they don't know computers
and they just learned the basics and now they have to re-learn. A daunting
task for some users.

This is somewhat contridictory. Either they know XP or they don't know
computers. If all they can do is robotically click on exactly the things
they learned at work and you think you can plop down a new computer, XP or
Vista, and they won't have a learning curve, you are fooling yourself.

You obviously like Vista, and I dont care for it much. But why is it, that
my opinion is dogma ?

dogma - noun - a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof

Yes, I use Vista. Do I like it? It just is, I neither like it nor dislike
it. I recognize that it will replace XP in the future. It doesn't really
matter to me if that is in 1 day or 2 years. I don't have any reason to
continue to use XP myself so I upgraded.

It's not your opinion that I view as dogma, it's when you tell others who
will in all likelyhood be happier with Vista in the long run that they
should get XP on their brand new designed for Vista hardware because they
will have problems that I view as dogma. Millions run Vista on their new
computers and there's no evidence that more than a small percentage are
unhappy with it. Therefore my assumption is that the overwhelming majority
of them are happy with it. I don't have any surveys or polls to back this
up, but I believe there is more evidence to support this view than the
opposite.

I got family members that are happily running Windows 2000 (I guess it's
amazing that it can access anything it's so obsolete), How do you go in to
convince them that they need Vista to check their e-mail and to update
their myspace page ? Better internet security ? Some are still on AOL
dial-up with it being 1-2 years before DSL is expect to reach them ?

I don't think I ever said or implied that you should try to convince
existing users to upgrade. If Win2000 does everything they need, more power
to them. If their computer dies tomorrow and they want to buy a new one,
will you help them wipe out Vista and install Win2000 so they won't have to
learn a different place to click to get their e-mail? I hope not.

Everyone else they know is running Windows XP, it's what they use at
work\school. Why would I make them the lone person to run Vista ? Oh
that's right, it has just been released and it's so cool, There's
obviously no bugs with Vista everyone should just be diving right in,
anyone who says otherwise is just spewing out their dogma.

Get them Ultimate and all their friends can come over and watch Dreamscene.

All the companies that are holding off upgrading to Vista, that's just
pure dogma !

Companies always take longer to convert than consumers. Vista could be the
perfect OS, completely bug-free and solves your problems just by thinking
about it and companies would still take years to convert. It's expensive on
a grand scale both in hard costs and personel costs.

Her son, works for the Univeristy of Missouri, one of his co-workers
brought in a new laptop with Vista and what did the IT folks say ? we
don't support Vista, but we'll load XP on it for you. He's not a technical
guy, so he says, If the IT folks won't support it. I don't want it. More
dogma I know !

Yes - more dogma from desktop support people who often don't know much about
computers. They know how to support exactly what exists in their environment
but little else. It's easier for them to shrug their shoulders and just say
they don't support it than to actually investigate what it would take to
support it.

Maybe you need more family members and friends to support. I get enough
calls as it is. Sorry for not beleving a 2 month old OS is going to make
everything perfect for everyone, that's just my dogma

I have a bushel of them to support, thank you. Do I encourage any of them to
run out and buy Vista and upgrade? On the contrary. My 74 year old Dad got
the upgrade and a $50 NVIDIA "designed for Vista" video card the first week
Vista came out. Knowing that he would be disappointed if he upgraded and
didn't get Aero, I encouraged him to do the video upgrade in his XP MCE
first. Good thing. We have both learned a lot about what NVIDIA considers
production drivers. It might work better in Vista but in XP, it was no end
of problems. After a couple of weeks, he pulled it and now monitors the
NVIDIA site for driver updates.

If he were going to buy a brand new HP computer with Vista pre-loaded would
I have concerns? Sure. Would I try to talk him into getting XP instead so he
wouldn't have to learn anything new? Never. It would be easier for me but in
the end, he'll want to upgrade at some point and it won't get any easier
than on a brand new computer.

 

[DanS]

Sorry to burst the bubble of all those trolls who post here but Vista
seems to be doing just fine.

Considering that about 40% of the posts here are from the trolls
themselves, it proves just how good Vista really is.

I receive a newsletter that had a link to an article about the 20 million
licenses 'sold' by MS.

There was also another link to an article analyzing MS' claim. I found the
link a rather interesting read.

This post has nothing to do with how good or bad Vista is, just disputing
the numbers......

http://www.microsoft-
watch.com/content/vista/stacking_vista_licenses_too_high.html

 

[WonhungLo]

Obsolete = no longer in general use.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obsolete

XP is definitely not obsolete!

 

[DanS]

<SNIP>

.... its evident if YOU do a search on Google.

Yeah, don't you just hate that people that are trying to prove some point
tell you to 'Google this' or 'Google that', completely opposite of what
logic tells you.

If I have no searching skills and don't end up finding anything about
what they claim, does that mean that I am right ?! I guess so !! That's
like the prosecutor forcing the defendant to find the state's proof !!

And then they call you a troll....hogwash. I've seen some die-hard
trolls, which I have never seen show any indication that there opinion
may be swayed, or even admit maybe one or two things that they MIGHT be
wrong about.

Below is your post from (I assume the 26th but the date shows up Wed. the
28th)......

Subject: Vista good memory managment, could it be true?
From: "jim kirk" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

I used vista as the host for loading some virtual machines,
it seemed to react very well.. better than XP....

However I am using the player in Vista, while I was
using the server in XP... so I am not sure yet 100%

This seems strange.. but if it is true.. this scores a point vista....

A significant one!

Using a virtual machine on an OS really strains it...
so this is a good way to see how it can cope.

I will post my findings when I test more..I want to be totally sure > first
before
I declare Vista better than XP in anything!

Vista might still have a chance...

Plainly, that comment (if it wasn't someone impersonating you !!!) shows
that you can not be real troll.

Seems like some people think they have the right to tell you something is
great, but you have no right to say it's not. Fascism...Socialism...
Surely some kind of 'ism.

Regards,

DanS

 

[Dale White]

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This post has nothing to do with how good or bad Vista is, just disputing
the numbers......

http://www.microsoft-
watch.com/content/vista/stacking_vista_licenses_too_high.html

Now that makes alot more sense and it confirms my theory that we're selling
more PCs now, then we did in 2001.

I don't really hate Microsoft for jiving the numbers. All companies likes to
put a little spin on things and make themselves look good. I use to love to
read the Dell and Compaq fights over who really sold more PCs, just to
listen to each side dispute the other sides numbers was always a hoot.

 

[LaRoux]

There are several accepted definitions for Obsolete. You are correct that XP
!= no longer in general use. That's why I posted a different definition.

XP = Outmoded in design, style, or construction. Definition #2 for
adjectives on your reference.com link.

 

[Justin]

Obsolete = no longer in general use.

False. That was #1. To be obsolete you do not have to meet the
requirements of 1-6.

#2 and #6 are perfectly valid.

 

[Justin]

And then they call you a troll....hogwash. I've seen some die-hard
trolls, which I have never seen show any indication that there opinion
may be swayed, or even admit maybe one or two things that they MIGHT be
wrong about.

That's your only definition of a troll? Just because someone's opinion
can't be swayed, that doesn't make them a troll.

Troll: "a troll is someone who posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory
messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as
an online discussion forum to bait users into responding."

kirk jim/jim kirk/just kirk/just jim does a LOT of that.

 

[DanS]

That's your only definition of a troll? Just because someone's
opinion can't be swayed, that doesn't make them a troll.

Nope, just one trait of a troll, but one that is definately high on the
list.

(Some words obscured below to hopefully keep the person from replying
here. The mentioned person will search usenet for posts that mention
certain words and then jump in on the thread an start spewing forth his
BS no matter what group it is. A TRUE troll.)

Take w(underscore)tom for example. This person is insistant that plug-in
s*u_r%g^e s_u@p_r!essor"s offer 0 (zero) protection and not effective in
any way shape or form in protecting plugged in devices.

If 1 circuit has 10 devices plugged in, 5 on a s=u+pRRRResssorrrs and 5
plugged in direct, and there is an event where all 5 direct-plugged
devices are damaged and the other 5 are not, it was because the 5 damaged
devices were prone to damage no matter what, and the other 5 were not
prone to damage from a spike of some kind. So the protected PC's were not
prone to damage naturally and the 5 unprotected were.

That is troll logic.

Troll: "a troll is someone who posts derogatory or otherwise
inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online
community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into
responding."

kirk jim/jim kirk/just kirk/just jim does a LOT of that.

Having strong opinions != troll. If so, many of your beloved people here
here can be labelled as trolls.

 

[Justin]

Having strong opinions != troll. If so, many of your beloved people here
here can be labelled as trolls.

Who said anything about strong opinions?

"derogatory or otherwise inflammatory"

 

[DanS]

Who said anything about strong opinions?

"derogatory or otherwise inflammatory"

Well.....I just read thru all of KirkJim & JimKirk's posts since the
beginning of March. (Not hard with XNews....un-thread, sort by authour, 2
clicks total. I don't know how you'd do that in Windows Live Mail
Desktop.)

I fail to see where 'troll' fits in to the picture. Sure there were
arguments, and opinions thrown around, but I saw no troll-like messages.
As a matter of fact, all of the posts that I saw that you MIGHT be
leaning towards trolldom were in conversations with you, or Richard
Urban....go figure.

Not that I have all the time in the world, and care that much, but if you
want I can get the msg ID's of probably 20 or more posts of him trying to
help people here. I already posted one where JK says he may be wrong
about Vista. (I only offer this because of my comment 4 levels up in this
thread about people making claims and then telling YOU to search for
THEIR evidence, which was subsequently snipped in your reply to that
message.)

I or anyone else has a right to say Vista sucks if I/they think it sucks.
Just as others have the right to praise Vista.

[Sidebar]---------------------------------------------------------
Also funny, is that an antonym of derogatory is eulogistic, as in eulogy,

Eugoly -

1. a speech or writing in praise of a person or thing, esp. a set
oration in honor of a deceased person.

2. high praise or commendation.

While some speak derogatory comments of Vista, it's praisers constantly
deliver a eulogy to Vista.

 

[Justin]

Well.....I just read thru all of KirkJim & JimKirk's posts since the
beginning of March. (Not hard with XNews....un-thread, sort by authour, 2
clicks total. I don't know how you'd do that in Windows Live Mail
Desktop.)

I'm not sure either however WLMd makes it VERY easy.

I fail to see where 'troll' fits in to the picture. Sure there were
arguments, and opinions thrown around, but I saw no troll-like messages.
As a matter of fact, all of the posts that I saw that you MIGHT be
leaning towards trolldom were in conversations with you, or Richard
Urban....go figure.

Since you can't figure it out then a perfect example would be, "My response
to Richards Urban, Urban legend....". That is 100% troll behavior,
especially ending the post with VISTA IS STUPID.

I or anyone else has a right to say Vista sucks if I/they think it sucks.
Just as others have the right to praise Vista.

You are correct. You have every right to be childish and proclaim what you
think "sucks".

 

[DanS]

Since you can't figure it out then a perfect example would be, "My
response to Richards Urban, Urban legend....". That is 100% troll
behavior, especially ending the post with VISTA IS STUPID.

We agree to disagee I guess, and maybe I fit the bill as a troll by you
as well, but that particular thread while I did see it I didn't bring it
up, mainly I saw that one as more of a personal thing between them. It's
not hard to run across a person that just really irks you and gets under
your skin, like one that used to be over in alt.rec.cable-tv. The
possibility also exists that the post was just a vehicle to post a link
to the video and it just so happened that the subject of the OP by Urban
just fit the bill. Or it could have just been a hissy-fit.

This one ?-------------------------------------------------------

Sure people are buying vista, with new PCs or because
they love microsoft products.. but boy are they in for a surprise... see
what this guy did with his vista...

I guess people like him count towards your 20 million, hey Richard -
Urban?

If you are on vista and you cannot see the flash video read the f--
following>>>

I wonder why flash installs on IE7 on XP and
on firefox on XP and vista.. but NOT IE7 on Vista?
Heck you can even install flash on linux with firefox!!!

Is it perhaps that VISTA IS STUPID??????

 

[Guest]

You can install flash. MS Messenger installs automatically an older version
(not for me - but for the rest of youse) then the newer version flash
refuses to update it. Uninstall old version. This seems to be an adobe
problem - but then most are aren't they. And all these years later they
still insist on shoving mac menu layouts on us. Plus Reader interferes with
full screen mode switch (it takes back the focus on the first switch only).
This is true in XP as Vista on a range of NVidia cards.

 

[Justin]

We agree to disagee I guess
Yup.

and maybe I fit the bill as a troll by you

Nope, I have not seen you do anything that fits the Troll Definition found
in many places.

 

[Dale White]

And I think this thread proves that Vista has more user interface friction,
but no one ever lets the French be right about anything

 

[Guest]

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