Microsoft sells 20 million Vista licenses - beats Windows XP

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Justin said:
No one is forced to buy Vista. You can still buy XP and you can certainly
visit an iStore.
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I don't know because I wasn't on the phone. but a friend's mom order a new
PC from HP. On the website there were no options to get XP over Vista, When
she called, she was told that Vista was the new OS and it was all the rave.
She asked if she could get XP, she said she was told "No". She doesn't
really know any better, she just wants to surf the web and check e-mail. All
this talk of XP and Vista doesn't mean anything to her, It was suggested by
me and her son to stick with XP, since that's what she uses at work.

So sure, if she knew more, she could have yelled and screamed and demanded
XP and might have gotten it or went somewhere else, But she didn't know that
was an Option and teh sales people are obviously encouraged to push Vista
over XP. That changes the playing field alot. How much would nvidia sales go
up, if you have to really insist on getting an ATI card from Dell or HP. Or
an AMD, if they really want to sell Intel.

Do a web order on HP's or Dell's site and you don't see anything about XP.
If you're joe user you don't really know what the heck you're getting with
the Vista, you just want windows.

But with all that aside, the real comparision you have to look at to be a
moer fair comparison is how many PC's shipped in the first 3 months of XP's
release to the number shipped in Vista's release. If Vista has twice the
PC's sold, it sure makes it easy to see why Vista technically wins the most
copies sold.

I just don't know that one can make a fair argument of "we sold 20 million
copies" with 18 million preloaded on the new machines, that proves Vista is
a better OS than XP"

Then again, there is this article
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130031/article.html#
 
Justin said:
Wow, did you think that up all on your own? You mean to tell me that when
people have a problem with an OS they go to forums and/or NGs for help?
Wow, that's great! So if I find a Linux NG and see what 90%+ of the
people on there are having problems then Linux is a POS? Same with OSX?



No it's not.



Most of those people did not activate their machine. Either way, think of
all the people that took XP back. So your point is moot.



Horrified? Idiot.



No one is as pathetic as you. So...no.


Oh, you mean like MOST people did with OSX and OS9? Yeah, so?
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You seem a little upset, son. It'll be alright.
 
jim kirk

I think your just completely clueless. Of course people who post here are
disgruntled or upset with Vista. It's a SUPPORT newsgroup for people who are
having PROBLEMS.

If you go to a hospital, do you expect to see nothing but healthy people???

The only thing that makes it difficult for people who try to get help here
are the trolls, like yourself, who live in their own small and narrow world.
You are clogging up these groups with meaningless diatribe that fit's your
own personal agenda.

People like yourself have been showing up here every time a new OS is
released. You spout the same old, tired and meaningless rhetoric. The only
thing that changes are the names of the posters. Any of the regulars here
will confirm this.

Go to Google and take a look at the messages on the XP groups when XP was
first released and you'll see what I mean. It'll be like looking in a mirror
for you.

Start here.

Google Groups
http://tinyurl.com/34s6sv
 
Richard said:
Vista is indeed a very good OS, because it's more stable than any previous windows system, it never crashes. WinXP crashes at least
10 times per month for no obvious reason.
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Huh? I've never had XP crash since 03. I've had problems with it booting
up due to faulty hardware but not crash just because I am running XP.
'Course you're probably one of those people who think that cleaning out
and defragging the registry is not necessary.

Alias
 
Opps, someone forgot to post this info

Sales of boxed Vista copies down over XP
http://news.com.com/Sales+of+boxed+Vista+copies+down+over+XP/2100-1016_3-6159700.html?tag=st.ref.goo
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This is, of course, hardly a surprise. XP came out two months before
Christmas and was a big seller for Christmas 2001. Vista came out a
month after Christmas 2006, in the January doldrums when everybody is
still paying off holiday bills. I'd be astonished if Vista outsold XP
on that fact alone.

Brian
 
If that 20 million includes all of the "free upgrade disks" which were offered
because of the delay in shipping Vista, then they weren't actually sold, they were
promised because the PCs were shipped with XP. And, if my Vista upgrade disk was
included as a 'sale' in that 20 million, I don't want to burst your bubble but it
has not yet arrived...and I didn't buy it anyway, it was a free upgrade. Doesn't
matter, it can't be counted. The news release actually doesn't prove anything
Richard; this newsgroup, however, does seem to reveal "just how good Vista really
is!"
 
You are right of course, DanS and Dale. But, do not confuse Mr. Urban with the
facts, his mind is already made up.
 
Some just don't like the fact that Vista seems to be sucessful.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User
 
Richard said:
Sorry to burst the bubble of all those trolls who post here but Vista
seems to be doing just fine.

Considering that about 40% of the posts here are from the trolls
themselves, it proves just how good Vista really is.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+sells+20+million+Vista+licenses/2100-1016_3-6170426.html?tag=nefd.top
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Ars has done additional analysis of this at
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...-microsoft-should-thank-pc-market-growth.html.
From their article:

"Back in the first quarter of 2002, just over 31 million PCs were sold. In
the last quarter of 2006, that figure had ballooned to 65 million.
Generally, sales in the Christmas quarter tend to be slightly higher than
the quarter following: dropoffs of three to five million units are typical.
The exception was in early 2006, when PC shipments actually increased
following the Christmas quarter. Still, even assuming a dropoff in sales for
Q1 2007, the "doubling" effect can easily be explained by rising PC sales
alone. In early 2002, ten million new PCs were sold each month, along with
8.5 million copies of Windows XP. If the numbers hold, the first quarter of
2007 will see at least 21 million new PCs sold per month with Microsoft's
announced 20 million copies of Windows Vista."
 
Oh great.. another mvp...

I am not clueless Ron, the OP said:

"Considering that about 40% of the posts here are from the trolls
themselves, it proves just how good Vista really is."

And you must know that he calls trolls whoever does not like Vista....
I am just disclaiming his assumption.
People like yourself have been showing up here every time a new OS
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Sorry I am not one of those people.

When XP came out I never ever said anything bad.. on the contrary...
I was a super duper grand supporter of Microsoft up until
the Vista era products came out. These include: Vista, Office2007, IE7,
WMP11. All these products suffer greatly in quality and design.
I have provided thousands of people with free superb support on all
Microsoft products prior to vista on the MS newsgroups.
I have never complained about anything before I tell you!
I love XP... its very good... and I loved it from the very first time
I booted my XP machine back in Jan of 2002.

I don't like what they have done with the vista era products.

Now stop generalizing on things you don't know about, and try to understand
that something has gone terribly wrong in MS....
Or at least acknowledge that some people don't like what they have done...
its evident if YOU do a search on Google.

The big difference is that NOW there are better alternatives to Vista,
and the most prominent one is XP itself. Microsoft has to clean up
its act and do it fast... or they will be in big trouble.
 
Richard said:
Sorry to burst the bubble of all those trolls who post here but Vista
seems to be doing just fine.

Considering that about 40% of the posts here are from the trolls
themselves, it proves just how good Vista really is.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+sells+20+million+Vista+licenses/2100-1016_3-6170426.html?tag=nefd.top
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Misleading statistics, sorry, Dick. When XP came out, there were half as
many computers out there so for Vista to be selling at the same rate as
XP, it would need to be 34 million, not a measly 20 million. Besides,
most of those copies of Vista were given to the millions of activation
clerks and MVPs.

Alias
 
So sure, if she knew more, she could have yelled and screamed and demanded XP and might have gotten it

Hi Dale:

It sounds like they may have done me a favor by refusing to give me the upgrade without a valid Visa or MasterCard. Complaining and contacting everyone I could think of that might be able to help me did no good. I suspect that the lady would have not been able to get XP either.

....Z
 
Dale M. White said:
I don't know because I wasn't on the phone. but a friend's mom order a new
PC from HP. On the website there were no options to get XP over Vista,
When she called, she was told that Vista was the new OS and it was all the
rave. She asked if she could get XP, she said she was told "No". She
doesn't really know any better, she just wants to surf the web and check
e-mail. All this talk of XP and Vista doesn't mean anything to her, It was
suggested by me and her son to stick with XP, since that's what she uses
at work.

So sure, if she knew more, she could have yelled and screamed and demanded
XP and might have gotten it or went somewhere else, But she didn't know
that was an Option and teh sales people are obviously encouraged to push
Vista over XP. That changes the playing field alot. How much would nvidia
sales go up, if you have to really insist on getting an ATI card from Dell
or HP. Or an AMD, if they really want to sell Intel.

Do a web order on HP's or Dell's site and you don't see anything about XP.
If you're joe user you don't really know what the heck you're getting with
the Vista, you just want windows.

But with all that aside, the real comparision you have to look at to be a
moer fair comparison is how many PC's shipped in the first 3 months of
XP's release to the number shipped in Vista's release. If Vista has twice
the PC's sold, it sure makes it easy to see why Vista technically wins the
most copies sold.

I just don't know that one can make a fair argument of "we sold 20 million
copies" with 18 million preloaded on the new machines, that proves Vista
is a better OS than XP"

Then again, there is this article
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130031/article.html#
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Correct, I doubt HP or Dell will sell XP anymore. Those are not a persons
only options. There are plenty of online stores to choose from like CDW.com
and Insight.com. Both of which advertise on TV. Plus there's plenty of
small mom and pop stores that will gladly sell you a computer with XP. All
you need to do is open the yellow pages.

Sales figures can't tell you if Vista is a BETTER OS. Each individual
person needs to decide that. We can claim that Vista has advantages over
XP. Which could mean squat if someone didn't need any of it.

I demoed Vista to a friend this weekend. He liked two things. Search and
the future of DX10. Neither are enough for him to upgrade right now. He'll
upgrade later.
 
Correct, I doubt HP or Dell will sell XP anymore. Those are not a persons
only options. There are plenty of online stores to choose from like
CDW.com and Insight.com. Both of which advertise on TV. Plus there's
plenty of small mom and pop stores that will gladly sell you a computer
with XP. All you need to do is open the yellow pages.
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I think this becomes a bit of a catch 22. She went with HP, because she
liked them, her son likes them and she lives in the boonies of Kentucky, so
there isn't a mom and pop shop. She'd have to drive 90 miles to Louisvile to
get some options. Plus HP offers an extended warranty, in which they promise
to come to her house to fix problems. The mom and pops aren't going to offer
that

Maybe it's too strong of a term, but the big vendors are force feeding
people Vista and that's where those numbers of 20 million copies sold gets
it's legs. If HP\Dell offered both XP and Vista on their websites, and vista
was outselling XP by say 3 to 1, then the Vista outselling XP numbers would
be more acceptable in terms of what the users wanted (or at least think they
want)

What's that old saying\joke, you can get this car in any color you want, as
long as you want Black.

But at the end of the day, this kinda of debate is all for naught. As Vista
will become the dominant desktop OS at some point. Whether it truly deserves
that spot is another debate, which is what I think we tend to really be
arguing, when we argue with the numbers.
 
Dale White said:
I think this becomes a bit of a catch 22. She went with HP, because she
liked them, her son likes them and she lives in the boonies of Kentucky,
so there isn't a mom and pop shop. She'd have to drive 90 miles to
Louisvile to get some options. Plus HP offers an extended warranty, in
which they promise to come to her house to fix problems. The mom and pops
aren't going to offer that
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She CHOSE service over choice of OS. That's perfectly valid however it was
her CHOICE that she made on her own.
Maybe it's too strong of a term, but the big vendors are force feeding
people Vista and that's where those numbers of 20 million copies sold gets
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Yup. Vista is the next OS. If you buy NEW hardware then you need a NEW OS
to run it. XP does not run as well on that new hardware then Vista will.
Vista was designed around that new hardware as XP was released before that
hardware was even dreamed up.
it's legs. If HP\Dell offered both XP and Vista on their websites, and
vista was outselling XP by say 3 to 1, then the Vista outselling XP
numbers would be more acceptable in terms of what the users wanted (or at
least think they want)
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It should certainly draw a better line for us, yes.

What's that old saying\joke, you can get this car in any color you want,
as long as you want Black.
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Then buy a truck.
But at the end of the day, this kinda of debate is all for naught. As
Vista will become the dominant desktop OS at some point. Whether it truly
deserves that spot is another debate, which is what I think we tend to
really be arguing, when we argue with the numbers.
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True.
 
Maybe it's too strong of a term, but the big vendors are force feeding
people Vista and that's where those numbers of 20 million copies sold
gets it's legs.
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Probably 95+%....at least.
 
You can get all the XP you want from HP or Dell just by choosing a
"business" system instead of a "consumer" system. From HP's site, Small
Business systems offer the following choices of OS:
Genuine Windows VistaT Business 32
Genuine Windows VistaT Home Basic 32
Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2
Genuine Windows® XP Home SP2
FreeDOS

Don't kid yourself into thinking that HP or Dell either one care how well
Vista sells except with regards to how it affects their hardware sales. If
consumers were clamoring for XP, you can bet they would still be selling it.
Reality is that PC sales were in the dumps leading up to Vistas release and
then skyrocketed after as consumers were holding off their purchases until
they could get Vista pre-loaded.

IMO, some of you do your friends and relatives a disservice by passing along
your dogma and talking Mom into buying an obsolete OS that she is almost
certainly going to be sorry and have to spend more money on within a couple
of years. Unless she has some outdated incompatible hardware or software she
just can't give up, she'll be happy with Vista.

Also, remember that 20 million, new PC or not, means there are 19.99 million
who are either happy about their purchase or never post any problems here.
 
LaRoux said:
You can get all the XP you want from HP or Dell just by choosing a
"business" system instead of a "consumer" system. From HP's site, Small
Business systems offer the following choices of OS:
Genuine Windows VistaT Business 32
Genuine Windows VistaT Home Basic 32
Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2
Genuine Windows® XP Home SP2
FreeDOS
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There you go! XP all around. Unfortunately the average consumer won't know
that. I'll keep it mind though. Thanks for finding that!
IMO, some of you do your friends and relatives a disservice by passing
along your dogma and talking Mom into buying an obsolete OS that she is
almost certainly going to be sorry and have to spend more money on within
a couple of years. Unless she has some outdated incompatible hardware or
software she just can't give up, she'll be happy with Vista.
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They don't care. They'll just pirate it for them so they can be the "hero".
 
LaRoux said:
Don't kid yourself into thinking that HP or Dell either one care how well
Vista sells except with regards to how it affects their hardware sales. If
consumers were clamoring for XP, you can bet they would still be selling
it. Reality is that PC sales were in the dumps leading up to Vistas
release and then skyrocketed after as consumers were holding off their
purchases until they could get Vista pre-loaded.

IMO, some of you do your friends and relatives a disservice by passing
along your dogma and talking Mom into buying an obsolete OS that she is
almost certainly going to be sorry and have to spend more money on within
a couple of years. Unless she has some outdated incompatible hardware or
software she just can't give up, she'll be happy with Vista.
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So as of Jan 30th 2007, XP became an obsolete OS ? and waiting 2-3 years to
upgrade will make them sorry ? Gosh, I wouldn't want people to miss the
chance to enjoy the bugs of a newly released OS.

A disservice ? Someone is use to working on XP, they don't know computers
and they just learned the basics and now they have to re-learn. A daunting
task for some users.

You obviously like Vista, and I dont care for it much. But why is it, that
my opinion is dogma ? I got family members that are happily running Windows
2000 (I guess it's amazing that it can access anything it's so obsolete),
How do you go in to convince them that they need Vista to check their e-mail
and to update their myspace page ? Better internet security ? Some are still
on AOL dial-up with it being 1-2 years before DSL is expect to reach them ?
Everyone else they know is running Windows XP, it's what they use at
work\school. Why would I make them the lone person to run Vista ? Oh that's
right, it has just been released and it's so cool, There's obviously no bugs
with Vista everyone should just be diving right in, anyone who says
otherwise is just spewing out their dogma. All the companies that are
holding off upgrading to Vista, that's just pure dogma !

Her son, works for the Univeristy of Missouri, one of his co-workers brought
in a new laptop with Vista and what did the IT folks say ? we don't support
Vista, but we'll load XP on it for you. He's not a technical guy, so he
says, If the IT folks won't support it. I don't want it. More dogma I know !

Maybe you need more family members and friends to support. I get enough
calls as it is. Sorry for not beleving a 2 month old OS is going to make
everything perfect for everyone, that's just my dogma
 
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