Microsoft doesn't want you to use VB .Net

[Joergen Bech]

I post anonymously from a deep desire to avoid solicitations to enlarge
various parts of my body - some of which body parts I do not have.

I have had the same email account for nearly 10 years. A pain in
the neck. Until my ISP installed a spam filter. Now, I hardly ever get
any spam mails. Sure was a problem back then, though.

You should learn the difference between actual trolling and reasoned
complaints which are fully justified.

Well, you *did* post anonymously and seeing that the topic has been
discussed to death a month ago when everybody finally realized that
the release date for VS2005 RTM had been chiseled in stone but
Microsoft had been fixing problems up to the very last minute (or so
it appears to me), your post sounded like flame bait

My humble apologies.

/JB

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Well, you *did* post anonymously and seeing that the topic has been
discussed to death a month ago when everybody finally realized that
the release date for VS2005 RTM had been chiseled in stone but
Microsoft had been fixing problems up to the very last minute (or so
it appears to me), your post sounded like flame bait

No, I'm just a late adopter. I just upgraded to XP a month ago.

I always feel sorry for Bill Gates' first born kid.

"Never buy Microsoft Version 1.0 of ANYTHING".

 

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

PJ,

When Algol 68/Cobol started there was no direct user interface input (beside
styles as faking a cardreader or a single value input from a teletype)

At the start of BASIC there was no mouse and no Windows.

Try to keep that in mind, (the enormous ammount of events that can happen
now and to be managed while this is only one aspect) and I assume that you
get an idea why things had to change.

I hope this helps,

Cor

 

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Homer,

I always feel sorry for Bill Gates' first born kid.

"Never buy Microsoft Version 1.0 of ANYTHING".

This is often impossible.

IE was free
Frontpage Express was free

I am more scared by 'even' versions, which have in my idea a worse
expirience. Those even version are often loaded by things that seems to come
from the mind of some individuals, who thought that they had to extend to
the good starting versions. Than in the next version they are really good.

While in my mind mostly the x.1 versions are the best. Dos 1.1, Dos 3.1,
Windows 3.1(1) NT 5.1, VB 7.1.



Cor

 

[Joergen Bech]

No, I'm just a late adopter. I just upgraded to XP a month ago.

I always feel sorry for Bill Gates' first born kid.

"Never buy Microsoft Version 1.0 of ANYTHING".

VB3. VB6, and VS2005 are all "version 3.0"-products, which in
Microsoft terms means mature and stable, etc.

Here are some links you'll enjoy (as I said: discussed to death):
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2005/11/hey-shareholders-vs-2005-is-fantastic.html
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1882596,00.asp
http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma/archive/2005/11/03/429371.aspx
http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=31329
http://www.panopticoncentral.net/archive/2005/11/09/10727.aspx

As one poster in the links above wrote: "If you are unhappy with
VS2005, go back to VS2003". Plenty of stuff to learn and work with
in VS2003. Wait for the VS2005 service pack to be released.

As far as I understand it, the problems are in the IDE - the compiler
is supposed to be rock solid. So far, that is my experience too.

/JB

 

[Pieter]

The documentation is indeed poor, and I have to admit that I don't
udnerstand some decisions either...
For instance: the DataGridView could have been a lovely control, especially
with the DataGridViewComboBoxColumn. But those idiots managed to use some
kind of 'new' combobox in it, that has only 10% of the possibility's of a
normal combobox. So the whole stuff is useless... The 'old' DataGrid still
is better :-(

 

[Paul Clement]

¤
¤ I am coming to the conclusion that Microsoft doesn't want you to use VB
¤ .Net, based on my experiences. I've downloaded the Express version and
¤ signed up for various support options etc. At every turn I have found the
¤ whole experience frustrating, involving endless non functioning software,
¤ broken links, incomprehensible and irrelevant information, examples that
¤ don't work, help files that don't help and a complete lack of any sort of
¤ reasonable support.
¤
¤ I see no benefit in trying to carry on with this effort, and intend to
¤ reload VB 6.0 and use that instead. At least it works (mostly) and makes
¤ sense.

Are you looking for help or is this just a rant?

If you're having problems and are actually looking for a solution then you're going to have to be a
bit more specific concerning your complaints.


Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

 

[Homer J Simpson]

When Algol 68/Cobol started there was no direct user interface input
(beside styles as faking a cardreader or a single value input from a
teletype)

At the start of BASIC there was no mouse and no Windows.

Try to keep that in mind, (the enormous ammount of events that can happen
now and to be managed while this is only one aspect) and I assume that you
get an idea why things had to change.

I hope this helps,

But when you buy a new car you expect to be able to drive it away from the
dealer. You don't expect that you will have to bring your own gas, oil and
water just to get the damn thing going. You don't expect that you will only
drive it a block before one of the tires explodes. You don't expect that the
battery is only good for 3 starts before you have to replace it. Yet that is
often the experience you have with computers in general, and Microsoft in
particular.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Are you looking for help or is this just a rant?

If you're having problems and are actually looking for a solution then
you're going to have to be a
bit more specific concerning your complaints.

I was looking for comments. I wondered if my experience was typical, or if
the fickle finger of fate had selected me. Apparently it's even worse than I
imagined. At least VB6 pretty much does what you expect with minimal
problems. It may not be perfect, but working beats not working IME.

 

[Paul Clement]

¤
¤ ¤
¤ > Are you looking for help or is this just a rant?
¤ >
¤ > If you're having problems and are actually looking for a solution then
¤ > you're going to have to be a
¤ > bit more specific concerning your complaints.
¤
¤ I was looking for comments. I wondered if my experience was typical, or if
¤ the fickle finger of fate had selected me. Apparently it's even worse than I
¤ imagined. At least VB6 pretty much does what you expect with minimal
¤ problems. It may not be perfect, but working beats not working IME.

Yeah, but comments regarding what exactly? Examples would certainly help. ;-)


Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

 

[mstrcontrol]

Hi, Cor...

No I'm not complaining about changes... not at all...

I was simply telling my history a little bit.

Take a look at my site...

http://pjondevelopment.50webs.com/

Regards,

PJ

 

[Homer J Simpson]

http://pjondevelopment.50webs.com/

IME Firefox problems are caused by bad page design or elements (graphics
etc).

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Yeah, but comments regarding what exactly? Examples would certainly help.
;-)

Every time I fire up the environment it asks me to register, again,
promising benefits. If I do register - again - I get yet another thank you
email which points me to a webpage which seems to be totally irrelevant to
VB .Net but I cannot get any of the promised benefits. And so it goes.

 

[Brad Rogers]

Okay now I must doubt your intentions. This sounds just like bashing an
excellent product, just because its Microsoft, is that it? Yep thats it.

If youve been around since punched cards? there is no excuse for what youve
said about vb.net So since you cannot substantiate the claim in reality,
why bother people who use vb.net and know its an outstanding product?

But when you buy a new car you expect to be able to drive it away from the
dealer. You don't expect that you will have to bring your own gas, oil and
water just to get the damn thing going. You don't expect that you will only
drive it a block before one of the tires explodes. You don't expect that the
battery is only good for 3 starts before you have to replace it. Yet that is
often the experience you have with computers in general, and Microsoft in
particular.

Yeah, sure... whatever

 

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Homer,

But when you buy a new car you expect to be able to drive it away from the
dealer. You don't expect that you will have to bring your own gas, oil and
water just to get the damn thing going. You don't expect that you will
only drive it a block before one of the tires explodes. You don't expect
that the battery is only good for 3 starts before you have to replace it.
Yet that is often the experience you have with computers in general, and
Microsoft in particular.

Not my expirience, my expirience is that people who are hardly able to drive
a bicycle wants direct to drive a Ferari and ask than why there is not an
automatic gearbox or things like that in it.

(And therefore Ferari made their care worse to let those people that asked
things like that as well drive in a car with a nameplate Ferari on it).

Just my thought,

Cor

 

[Pieter]

But face it Brad: Visual Studio .NET 2005 shipped to early, and is full of
terrible bugs, half-featered controls, etc...

 

[Pieter]

(And therefore Ferari made their care worse to let those people that asked

things like that as well drive in a car with a nameplate Ferari on it).

Ah, just like me you don't like that neither on your Ferrari?

;-)

 

[Paul Clement]

¤
¤ ¤
¤ > Yeah, but comments regarding what exactly? Examples would certainly help.
¤ > ;-)
¤
¤ Every time I fire up the environment it asks me to register, again,
¤ promising benefits. If I do register - again - I get yet another thank you
¤ email which points me to a webpage which seems to be totally irrelevant to
¤ VB .Net but I cannot get any of the promised benefits. And so it goes.
¤

I'll check it out to see if I can repro the problem.


Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

 

[Brad Rogers]

Full of terrible bugs? May I ask if you do software design?

You referred to Microsoft or their product developers as "those idiots" ?
Are you just trying to pitch some open source product after saying you know
what its like to use Visual Studio and its so terrible, etc?

I could use any IDE on the market. Ive checked out many of them but found
Microsoft to be the best, period. Best product, best support, in other
words, the best. So thats what I use.

Open source is fine for hobbyists or whatever. But methinks your bashing of
Microsoft was done for things from around 10 years ago and the bashing lacks
substantiation. If people want an open source product, they can find them.
Advertising here by claiming Visual Studio is bad? In fact, which open
source are you guys plugging?

Ill check it and see if it can withstand the same scrutiny.

 

[Brad Rogers]

OH geez, what a huge disappointment, its that Microsoft for you, right?
Even though the IDE works flawlessly and is the best there is? the giant
problem you have is a registration page...

yeah...sure, whatever

Which Open Source program are you trying to promote here?