Microsoft catches up to Apple

[flambe]

The current numbers being quoted is that Vista is on about 5% of desktops.
That is about the size of the Apple installed base.
Like Apple, Vista has no significant market share outside the U.S.
Like Apple, the Vista OS is not usable for most buisnesses (Apple because it
is Apple and Vista because it is not compatible with the custom data base
programs many businesses run on).
Like the Apple OS Vista does not stably scale across large networks.
Just as there is no rational basis to choose an Apple computer there is no
rational basis to choose a computer running Vista.
Microsoft has finally done it!

 

[Martin X.]

Haha, I agree. I had Vista Ultimate installed and after a few weeks I went
back to XP Pro. I left Vista intact and dual-boot to XP. Hopefully after
Vista SP1 comes out it will be more usable. I will give it another shot
then.

--
Regards,

Martin X.
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Messaging
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

The current numbers being quoted is that Vista is on about 5% of desktops.
That is about the size of the Apple installed base.
Like Apple, Vista has no significant market share outside the U.S.
Like Apple, the Vista OS is not usable for most buisnesses (Apple because it
is Apple and Vista because it is not compatible with the custom data base
programs many businesses run on).
Like the Apple OS Vista does not stably scale across large networks.
Just as there is no rational basis to choose an Apple computer there is no
rational basis to choose a computer running Vista.
Microsoft has finally done it!

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Windows Vista is on 90 million systems
Mac OS X is on 25 million systems
Mac OS X Leopard is on 2 million systems
Windows is on 1 billion systems

 

[Jume]

the latest statisticS i've seen marks vista in more than 25% of computers
worldwide, xp in about 55%, other windows 10% (mostly servers), the rest
linux and macs, and winning linux over macs (though basically the same),
where do you get that 5%????? cause what i know through my environment match
those numbers above pretty well (except for macs, i'm outside the US)

and yes, business do migrate to vista if they need to do so, "need" is
important, there are business running in MS-DOS still because there is no
need to upgrade
this you can research yourself, a typical company will update its computing
environment in the range of each 5-10 years, win2000 was a pretty fine
improvement so most companies updated in those years, leaving xp only to
recently created companies (mostly small ones, without a complex network,
like stores and such), the large companies of course didn't upgrade to xp
due to costs (well you cannot upgrade every 2 years), now is the time for
some, some others will wait a bit more, basically all of them will upgrade
the hardware and don't care about which windows is there for use as long as
the programs works (either with or without the need to update the programs,
or another program to substitute the incompatible one), and even then, many
times there are only 2 or 3 "mandatory" programs and the rest is the workers
own decision

my own has 50-50 vista vs xp right now, expecting to get more vistas in
january-freburary due to renewal of some pcs, and pretty happy with it up
until now

oh well it's not usual i write this much and even less in these terms,
please don't fell offended, just expressing my own experience through time

just curious where did you get those numbers, no more (i'm working/making a
statistics related project right now so it interests me somewhat)

 

[DanS]

Windows Vista is on 90 million systems

MS has SOLD 90 million licenses. How that compares to actual users, I
don't know.

How many months of backlog is that for OEMS does that include ? I don't
know.

I just read an article that chronicles the history of the PC for last 15
years. It seems as though that throughout this history, each successive
version of Windows sold more and more than it's predecessor. (Except for
Me.)

So the logical reason for growth is NOT that Vista is so great or
desirable, but in fact, the demand for PC's gas been ever increasing and
MS just happened to be the OS maker that was able to hook into the OEM's
back in the late 80's, early 90's. We all know BG was the one to come up
with selling people 'licenses' and not selling them s/w, and that was
being hailed as brilliant.

THAT is the reason for MS success, not any specific OS, and to argue that
they have the top numbers when it comes to OS's for any other reason is
not a valid argurment.

If history was different, if it was IBM that got the OEM deal, this could
be the IBM.public.OS2.general newsgroup, and not
MS.public.windows.vista.general, and people could be arguing that the
current release of OS2 was the best, and that at a 5% market share, MS
Windows blows, and you got ripped off for paying the $25 for it.

Technical merits may or may not mean anything to the success of any
product, and the best doesn't always win.

Shall I bring up the BetaMax.....superior to VHS in several
ways...smaller tapes, better picture quality....but, BetaMax went the way
of Windows Millenium.

Now the big context is HD-DVD vs BluRay DVD. Who knows who will win. BUT,
this is a little different, at least you have a choice, at this point. Of
course that will ultimately be decided by Hollywood. They will decide
which format they want the world to use, as all it takes is for them to
decide on a format to use and stop releasing DVD's using the other.

Hmmmmm. Sounds like the PC-OEMS.

 

[DanS]

the latest statisticS i've seen marks vista in more than 25% of
computers worldwide, xp in about 55%, other windows 10% (mostly
servers), the rest linux and macs, and winning linux over macs (though
basically the same), where do you get that 5%????? cause what i know
through my environment match those numbers above pretty well (except
for macs, i'm outside the US)

25% !!!!!!! Where do _yooouuu_ get _yooouuuurrrr_ statistics
from...Microsoft ?

Or more importantly, where do you get what you're smoking from ?

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

So far, I know 1 person that has Vista....and he hates it... but that is
what came on the PC.

Additionally, I called a former co-worker last night, who now works for a
local wireless ISP. He's a field guy that constantly is going to customers
sites, and the ISP he works for also offers IT services for clients that
don't have a dedicated IT department. Ironically, he was at his upstairs
neighbors, trying to get their new PC working properly with Vista. So we
had a conversation about it. In his daily business dealings, he has seen
one Vista machine in the 50 or so businesses that the ISP serves.

 

[badvista]

Dont expect too much with SP1, even microsoft says its only a collection of
all the fixes that you can find via automatic update...

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

MS has SOLD 90 million licenses. How that compares to actual users, I
don't know.

How many months of backlog is that for OEMS does that include ? I don't
know.

 

[Jume]

i'm extracting from several sources i won't post here (sorry about that),
that said, the greatest percentage being around 26% the highest and 7-8% the
lower (which is still higher than 5%)

maybe i should've put a more average percentage, but as i said i was writing
not in a good mood (well i'm still are), mainly cause local work
relationships/issues mixed with the fact that i'm beginning to be pretty
tired of the crap people puts here and there about what they "know" about
OSs among other things, i truly hate how the disinformation spreads through
a medium like internet, and hating more everyday it passes, though maybe
what i do hate is how people tend to believe false info instead of the real
(per secula seculorum )

as i said i won't put my sources here (in fact i should not), but as for
yours it does not validate as source (for me at least) cause its sources are
coming from only 1 site, not to mention that though internet is widely
spread, many work computers do not touch it too much thus they are out of
that statistic as well (the same goes for other systems), and we are talking
about the global percentage, not about the percentage that visits e.g.
google or msn

now if you want to believe me or not is obviously up to you, i know what i
know and you know what you know, i'm not forcing you or anyone to believe
anything as i only wanted to know the source of that 5%, cause i simply
thought "it is too low", if you want to call me liar or bash me or insult
me, go on i don't care, not a bit

as i said, i'm not in a good mood which is making me write quite more than i
usually do, as i posted before also, if you feel offended, sorry about that

 

[DanS]

i'm extracting from several sources i won't post here (sorry about
that), that said, the greatest percentage being around 26% the highest
and 7-8% the lower (which is still higher than 5%)

as i said i won't put my sources here (in fact i should not),

Why not ?

but as
for yours it does not validate as source (for me at least) cause its
sources are coming from only 1 site, not to mention that though
internet is widely spread, many work computers do not touch it too
much thus they are out of that statistic as well (the same goes for
other systems), and we are talking about the global percentage, not
about the percentage that visits e.g. google or msn

That is just one site. Others show similar.

There's not much that can be done to actually count how many PC's are
using each operating system. So you choose what stats you want to
believe.

And yes, many work computer's never touch the internet, but it would seem
to be a reasonable thing that the business user's that do have PC's with
Vista loaded on them would be the one's that need to access the internet
for work purposes. To use e-mail, and send & receive documents, as well
as researching on the web, like fancy notebooks issued to salesman.

The PC's that don't access the internet are 'utility' PC's. Tech
companies engineering department's have loads of them. The PC's just used
as a file server, or just to host a couple/few printers. The small
company I work for has 15 of them in the lab. They're all used, not
everyday, but they all have a use.

None of 'those' PC's are newer than NT4, and as a matter of fact, they
all have whatever the MS OS d'jour was at the time they were purchased
and will never be upgraded.

now if you want to believe me or not is obviously up to you, i know
what i know and you know what you know, i'm not forcing you or anyone
to believe anything as i only wanted to know the source of that 5%,
cause i simply thought "it is too low", if you want to call me liar or
bash me or insult me, go on i don't care, not a bit

No name-calling, bashing, or insulting. I just think the 25% number is
outlandish and the 'real' number is significantly lower.

 

[Greg]

Ha! It doesn't work on small networks either. It has been a total nightmare
with our home network of two Vista and one XP machines. Even when it's
working, it seems to employ the slowest electrons in the history of the
universe.

 

[HeyBub]

The PC's that don't access the internet are 'utility' PC's. Tech
companies engineering department's have loads of them. The PC's just
used as a file server, or just to host a couple/few printers. The
small company I work for has 15 of them in the lab. They're all used,
not everyday, but they all have a use.

None of 'those' PC's are newer than NT4, and as a matter of fact, they
all have whatever the MS OS d'jour was at the time they were purchased
and will never be upgraded.


No name-calling, bashing, or insulting. I just think the 25% number is
outlandish and the 'real' number is significantly lower.

Here's one set of numbers:
XP - 80%
Vista - 6%
Mac - 6% (combined)
Linux - 0.78%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_systems

Here's another:
XP - 79%
Vista - 8%
Mac - 6.5% (combined)
"Other" - 3.3% (Linux Win9x, DOS, etc.)

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5

Linux - 0.81%
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5&qpcustom=Linux

 

[Jume]

oh man, i thought for it to be not this much difficult to understand

first off, i told (twice) that i was not in a good mood and so i picked
maybe a bad number to put in here

now then, i will not, i should not, i can not put those sources, is it too
much try to understand? oh well...
i have a set of 33 complete statistics about operating systems, more or less
a third for normal home users, another third for small & medium business and
the another one for large business, btw the 3 separate tests show basically
the same results (there are variations towards small & medium companies
though, since they tend to upgrade the least)
those are made by independent bureaus and i hope you know what a privacy
assignment is, and i will comply for it, therefore (again) i won't post here
the sources, i hope it is clear now

well, today is another day and my mood is way better, and so if you feel
uncomfortable i may change the number to an average 15%, which i hope you
like it more as it is way more accurate (you know, statistically far
extremes does not mean anything, not in the high and not in the low, the
truth will be somewhere in the middle), in either way, that would mean that
from all the spaces studied, some have a 7-8% and concretely 1 have a 26%
(im rounding the numbers to ease the reading btw), most of them goes between
10-20%

one thing, there is now a post from HeyBub showing a statistic from
marketshare, where you can see a 8% (7,91%), which is complying with 2 i
have here for home users (with slight variations), it is still a 3% higher
than 5, it may does not seem much, but you must take in count that that 3%
is almost the complete set of "other" OSs in the same marketshare statistic,
hence jumping from 5% to 8% is a pretty important variation

pcs that won't touch internet, i should be more accurate here as well, and
tell "pcs that won't touch the kind of pages you are getting your info
from", a typical workstation in a big company will, in fact, touch a bit of
internet, mostly for mailing (which doesn't show in any statistic unless you
have access to the servers logs, if they are configured!), and a little
internet searching, however the search engines lost their position as a
reliable information source of this kind, due to them modifying the
information to (often) meet their processing needs (e.g. google does this,
heck they do it even in google analytics - though way less obviously), and
then many workstations will only connect to a intranet, and touch the
internet directly basically never... of course it depends greatly in the
type of business, however this will affect the upgrade ratio as well,
consider a programming business: they surely will have more internet
accessing than the mayority of companies out there, however their upgrading
will be outstanding also, even testing their programs in rc1 and rc2 to have
them ready to the official launch of vista... a bank, e.g. will not upgrade
in 10-15 years and their internet accessing is also significantly lower, if
any

anyways, now that i hope i explained some things for you, i know i won't
convince you (not that i'm trying anyways), and i can tell you for sure you
won't convince me when i have my data in my desk, so let's stop a discussion
which is a bit useless (sorry for starting it) before people consider us
trolls