Mexican XP

[Guest]

I'll bet your experts have never heard this one before. I am a retired
American in Mexico. The animal shelter goes online with WIndows XP
Professional Edition, Service Pack 1, Spanish. They use Nod 32 anti-virus
(free trial) which expired 273 days ago, and no anti-spyware program.

I installed the free AVG anti-virus and anti-spyware programs with no
problem. Now, I need to know:

I have the free CD, in English, for Service Pack 2. I got it for Windows XP
Home Edition. Can this be installed on Service Pack 1, Professional Edition,
in Spanish?

Their slow dial-up connection could download Service Pack 2, but it would
lock out the telephone for a few hours. Their computer has a Celeron chip and
256 megabytes of RAM.

Also, can Windows Defender be run on Service Pack 1?

Thank you for your help,
Vince

 

[Brian K]

I'll bet your experts have never heard this one before. I am a retired
American in Mexico. The animal shelter goes online with WIndows XP
Professional Edition, Service Pack 1, Spanish. They use Nod 32 anti-virus
(free trial) which expired 273 days ago, and no anti-spyware program.

I installed the free AVG anti-virus and anti-spyware programs with no
problem. Now, I need to know:

I have the free CD, in English, for Service Pack 2. I got it for Windows XP
Home Edition. Can this be installed on Service Pack 1, Professional Edition,
in Spanish?

Their slow dial-up connection could download Service Pack 2, but it would
lock out the telephone for a few hours. Their computer has a Celeron chip and
256 megabytes of RAM.

Also, can Windows Defender be run on Service Pack 1?

Thank you for your help,
Vince

Let's see you have a Celery XP Pro SP1 platform with 256 Megabytes of
RAM. I see several problems happening or about to happen. Windows XP
Professional Ed. SP1 is coded to be run on a network. Are there other
computers in network with this one or is this a standalone? If it's a
standalone using dial-up to connect with the Internet XP Pro SP1 is the
wrong flavor of Windows for this machine. XP Pro is highly storage and
memory intensive. It may run under this OS, but just barely.

Now, to this you want to add XP Home Ed. SP2. If it's a full install
disk, you will need to backup pertinent data - Repartition and format
the OS drive and install it from scratch. Then reinstall any resident
applications.

If you have an Update / Upgrade version the Setup software will detect
the resident OS and will refuse to install over top of this existing OS.
If you managed to break this protection, what you would end up is a
totally inoperable OS. Different versions of Windows or other operating
systems for that matter cannot be setup in a mix and match manner. When
an OS Setup program creates a disk partition it is identified with that
operating system only. The law is one OS per disk partition. If you
run multiple partitions you can use more than one flavor of Windows. I
don't think that you would gain that much in performance.

Add to this, different OS cannot see each other's partitions. Hence
data stored on a Windows XP Pro SP1 partition could not be shared with
an application residing in a second partition.

Languages can always be downloaded and added to an OS via Windows
Update. Therefor whichever you decide to go with you can enhance with
alternate languages to make the OS a little more bi-lingual. But that's
a whole other matter.

There is one other option that I just recalled. If you want to get SP2
for the XP Pro, you don't have to download it. Someone can correct me
if I am wrong; it is available as an install CD which can be ordered for
the price of shipping. Then the OS can be updated to SP2 without
mucking about with a total install of XP Home SP2.

In order to get a little better performance, I'd look into the
computer's manual. See if there are any options for adding more memory.
See if you can bump up to 512 meg or better still 1G of RAM.

Are animal shelters considered charities offering donors a tax break?
If so maybe someone with sales or fund raising skills can ask the local
CompUSA (CompMexico?), Circuit City, Sears, or Best Buy for a donation
of a more up to date computer? Many pet food companies donate food to
animal shelters here in the US. Maybe one such could not only donate
pet food to the shelter but also cough up some funds for an Athlon 64 2g
mHz based system?

I'm thinking ahead. In the meantime check out Microsoft for that SP2 CD.

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[RobertVA]

(snip)
Now, to this you want to add XP Home Ed. SP2. If it's a full install
disk, you will need to backup pertinent data - Repartition and format
the OS drive and install it from scratch. Then reinstall any resident
applications.
(snip)

There is one other option that I just recalled. If you want to get SP2
for the XP Pro, you don't have to download it. Someone can correct me
if I am wrong; it is available as an install CD which can be ordered for
the price of shipping. Then the OS can be updated to SP2 without
mucking about with a total install of XP Home SP2.

He said he already has the US English service pack CD. He's wanting to
know if the US English Service pack CD is compatible with the Mexico
Spanish XP Pro.

CD to update Windows XP to SP2 order link:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

On that page:

"Note: If you don't see your country listed in the drop-down list below,
please contact your local customer support" (with a link). That link
leads to a page for changing a region setting cookie, and I didn't want
to risk getting a cookie that would set my browser to only get Spanish
language pages on Microsoft's site.

Doesn't list Mexico in "Country/Region" drop down, so I'm not sure if
the CD offer is available for Mexico. Odd that Vietnam and even the TINY
Pitcairn Island are on the list, but I don't recognize ANY Latin
American countries AT ALL.

If "Spain" is selected the "CD Language" drop down offers a list of
language versions including "Spanish", so there MAY be files on the
Spanish SP CD to maintain Spanish language or bilingual prompts.

Maybe there's someone who knows reading the
microsoft.public.windowsupdate group.

 

[John John]

Let's see you have a Celery XP Pro SP1 platform with 256 Megabytes of
RAM. I see several problems happening or about to happen. Windows XP
Professional Ed. SP1 is coded to be run on a network. Are there other
computers in network with this one or is this a standalone? If it's a
standalone using dial-up to connect with the Internet XP Pro SP1 is the
wrong flavor of Windows for this machine. XP Pro is highly storage and
memory intensive. It may run under this OS, but just barely.

Now, to this you want to add XP Home Ed. SP2. If it's a full install
disk, you will need to backup pertinent data - Repartition and format
the OS drive and install it from scratch. Then reinstall any resident
applications.

If you have an Update / Upgrade version the Setup software will detect
the resident OS and will refuse to install over top of this existing OS.
If you managed to break this protection, what you would end up is a
totally inoperable OS. Different versions of Windows or other operating
systems for that matter cannot be setup in a mix and match manner. When
an OS Setup program creates a disk partition it is identified with that
operating system only. The law is one OS per disk partition. If you
run multiple partitions you can use more than one flavor of Windows. I
don't think that you would gain that much in performance.
Add to this, different OS cannot see each other's partitions. Hence
data stored on a Windows XP Pro SP1 partition could not be shared with
an application residing in a second partition.

Languages can always be downloaded and added to an OS via Windows
Update. Therefor whichever you decide to go with you can enhance with
alternate languages to make the OS a little more bi-lingual. But that's
a whole other matter.

There is one other option that I just recalled. If you want to get SP2
for the XP Pro, you don't have to download it. Someone can correct me
if I am wrong; it is available as an install CD which can be ordered for
the price of shipping. Then the OS can be updated to SP2 without
mucking about with a total install of XP Home SP2.

In order to get a little better performance, I'd look into the
computer's manual. See if there are any options for adding more memory.
See if you can bump up to 512 meg or better still 1G of RAM.

Are animal shelters considered charities offering donors a tax break?
If so maybe someone with sales or fund raising skills can ask the local
CompUSA (CompMexico?), Circuit City, Sears, or Best Buy for a donation
of a more up to date computer? Many pet food companies donate food to
animal shelters here in the US. Maybe one such could not only donate
pet food to the shelter but also cough up some funds for an Athlon 64 2g
mHz based system?

I'm thinking ahead. In the meantime check out Microsoft for that SP2 CD.

There is so much BS and inaccuracies in your post that it is hard to
know where to start sorting fact from fiction, the only sensible thing
to do for the original poster is to treat the complete post as rubbish
and ignore it altogether!

John

 

[Dave B.]

I hope you don't rely on your knowledge (or lack of) of Windows for your
income.

--

 

[DanS]

You are a moron Brian. You have spewed forth almost nothing but garbage
below. You should check your sources and think about not posting here
again until you get all your facts straight.

 

[RBot]

Holy crap. I've never heard rambling of that nature with not a single
correct statement thrown in, I think, ever! You would think out of
sheer luck you would have stumbled accross SOMETHING that made a spec
of sense. A guy with your IQ should have a low voice too! Judging by
the old saying, "What you don't know can't hurt you," you're
practically invulnerable. (stolen quote)

 

[Guest]

Folks, I appreciate all the people who took the time to give me courteous
replies. The animal shelter computer IS on a network with two other
computers, but it is the only one allowed to go on the internet.

The folks at the animal shelter are kind-hearted people who are very
computer-ignorant. After I successfully installed the free AVG anti-virus and
antispyware programs, they paid for a professional to come in. He uninstalled
their expired copy of NOD32 and told them to leave everything else alone. I
had downloaded the installation programs for Avast!, ClamWin, AdAware,
SpyBot, Windows Defender, and others onto a CD, and he told them not to use
any of them. Since he told them to continue using the two AVG programs I
installed, I had to back down.

The animal shelter is owned by a retired technophobic British businessman,
and it operates a successful pet food store and veterinary office. The
computers are used for record-keeping, re-ordering, and occasional web
searches for items they need. They are not used for anything else, even
e-mail.

Their underpowered computers are adequate for their needs. It is possible
that the professional did not have the ability to deal with the possible
conflicts caused by upgrading to Service Pack 2, but they don't seem to be
having any problems.

I am impressed by the thoroughness of the research you folks did, and I
learned a few things by carefully studying your posts. I wish they would
upgrade their entire computer system, but they can't afford to.

Best regards, Vince Massi

 

[Jim Macklin]

You can't mix languages.

XP Professional will run as a solo desktop or on a network
with more features than Home, more connections and more
settings for security.

Your can't use a Home CD to update Pro.

You can go to Windows Update [Microsoft Update] and if you
have a legal installation, update.



| On 2/7/2007 8:17 PM Vince wrote:
| > I'll bet your experts have never heard this one before.
I am a retired
| > American in Mexico. The animal shelter goes online with
WIndows XP
| > Professional Edition, Service Pack 1, Spanish. They use
Nod 32 anti-virus
| > (free trial) which expired 273 days ago, and no
anti-spyware program.
| >
| > I installed the free AVG anti-virus and anti-spyware
programs with no
| > problem. Now, I need to know:
| >
| > I have the free CD, in English, for Service Pack 2. I
got it for Windows XP
| > Home Edition. Can this be installed on Service Pack 1,
Professional Edition,
| > in Spanish?
| >
| > Their slow dial-up connection could download Service
Pack 2, but it would
| > lock out the telephone for a few hours. Their computer
has a Celeron chip and
| > 256 megabytes of RAM.
| >
| > Also, can Windows Defender be run on Service Pack 1?
| >
| > Thank you for your help,
| > Vince
| >
| Let's see you have a Celery XP Pro SP1 platform with 256
Megabytes of
| RAM. I see several problems happening or about to happen.
Windows XP
| Professional Ed. SP1 is coded to be run on a network. Are
there other
| computers in network with this one or is this a
standalone? If it's a
| standalone using dial-up to connect with the Internet XP
Pro SP1 is the
| wrong flavor of Windows for this machine. XP Pro is
highly storage and
| memory intensive. It may run under this OS, but just
barely.
|
| Now, to this you want to add XP Home Ed. SP2. If it's a
full install
| disk, you will need to backup pertinent data - Repartition
and format
| the OS drive and install it from scratch. Then reinstall
any resident
| applications.
|
| If you have an Update / Upgrade version the Setup software
will detect
| the resident OS and will refuse to install over top of
this existing OS.
| If you managed to break this protection, what you would
end up is a
| totally inoperable OS. Different versions of Windows or
other operating
| systems for that matter cannot be setup in a mix and match
manner. When
| an OS Setup program creates a disk partition it is
identified with that
| operating system only. The law is one OS per disk
partition. If you
| run multiple partitions you can use more than one flavor
of Windows. I
| don't think that you would gain that much in performance.
|
| Add to this, different OS cannot see each other's
partitions. Hence
| data stored on a Windows XP Pro SP1 partition could not be
shared with
| an application residing in a second partition.
|
| Languages can always be downloaded and added to an OS via
Windows
| Update. Therefor whichever you decide to go with you can
enhance with
| alternate languages to make the OS a little more
bi-lingual. But that's
| a whole other matter.
|
| There is one other option that I just recalled. If you
want to get SP2
| for the XP Pro, you don't have to download it. Someone
can correct me
| if I am wrong; it is available as an install CD which can
be ordered for
| the price of shipping. Then the OS can be updated to SP2
without
| mucking about with a total install of XP Home SP2.
|
| In order to get a little better performance, I'd look into
the
| computer's manual. See if there are any options for adding
more memory.
| See if you can bump up to 512 meg or better still 1G of
RAM.
|
| Are animal shelters considered charities offering donors a
tax break?
| If so maybe someone with sales or fund raising skills can
ask the local
| CompUSA (CompMexico?), Circuit City, Sears, or Best Buy
for a donation
| of a more up to date computer? Many pet food companies
donate food to
| animal shelters here in the US. Maybe one such could not
only donate
| pet food to the shelter but also cough up some funds for
an Athlon 64 2g
| mHz based system?
|
| I'm thinking ahead. In the meantime check out Microsoft
for that SP2 CD.
|
| --
| ________
| To email me, Edit "blog" from my email address.
| Brian M. Kochera
| "Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!"
| View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951