Linux - Software that doesn't deliver

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Stephan Rose

Yes, the field of PC gaming is dying. It's sad, I'm sure gonna miss it
one day. When my son was very young, he wanted gameboys and Nintendos
and all that stuff just like his friends had. But I saved my money and
bought him a computer instead. Now 10 years later he's loves PC gaming,
but also does all kinds of other cool stuff on his machine like movies,
stop motion animation, authors music, science stuff (he has a USB
microscope and telescope), websites, etc. And he doesn't really like
game consoles, he says they are boring because all you can do is play
games.

I think though that a large contributor to the death to PC Gaming aren't
the consoles. It's the stupid huge amount of resources it takes to make a
game that can still compete.

Players want near photorealistic graphics and physics. The bar is being
pushed higher and higher ever year with games these days using budgets in
the several millions and higher to be developed.

Who can still compete with that? Who can still compete with giants like
Blizzard, EA, and the like?

Game development is something I've personally always been interested in
but competing with anything available on the shelf these days is virtually
impossible without a huge team of developers.

Individual developers or very small teams have huge difficulties competing
with that, which I think is what largely is starving the PC in particular
of gaming. There just aren't enough developers left that can still produce
anything that can compete because the price of entry is far too high.

Sad really...

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Frank

Alias wrote:

All the programs I need come with Ubuntu and Automatix2. What I don't
need and you do are anti virus and anti malware programs. With a hard
firewall router, I don't need a soft firewall either. I also don't need
the WPA and WGA programs.

Alias

You're running a toy for pete's sake! It's just above etch-a-sketch.
For you I guess that's enough.
Fro a business, forget it.
How many times do you need to hear the truth before it sinks into that
little pointy head of yours, huh.
Frank
 
S

Stephan Rose

Alias wrote:



You're running a toy for pete's sake! It's just above etch-a-sketch.
For you I guess that's enough.
Fro a business, forget it.
How many times do you need to hear the truth before it sinks into that
little pointy head of yours, huh.

Works very well for me and my business needs Frank. Matter of fact,
Eclipse's C/C++ Editor is far more advanced than Visual Studio is. =)

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Stephan
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Alias

Frank said:
Alias wrote:

All the programs I need come with Ubuntu and Automatix2. What I don't
need and you do are anti virus and anti malware programs. With a hard
firewall router, I don't need a soft firewall either. I also don't
need the WPA and WGA programs.

Alias

You're running a toy for pete's [sic] sake!
False.

It's just above etch-a-sketch.
False.

For you I guess that's enough.

For many people, governments and businesses, it's enough.
Fro [sic] a business, forget it.

It's not our fault that you're too stupid to install Ubunut, Frankie Boy.
How many times do you need to hear the truth before it sinks into that
little pointy head of yours, huh.
Frank

You've posted these lies repeatedly and you've been repeatedly and
soundly refuted.

Alias
 
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Frank

Alias said:
Frank said:
Alias wrote:

All the programs I need come with Ubuntu and Automatix2. What I don't
need and you do are anti virus and anti malware programs. With a hard
firewall router, I don't need a soft firewall either. I also don't
need the WPA and WGA programs.

Alias


You're running a toy for pete's [sic] sake!

False.

It's just above etch-a-sketch.

False.

For you I guess that's enough.


For many people, governments and businesses, it's enough.
Fro [sic] a business, forget it.


It's not our fault that you're too stupid to install Ubunut, Frankie Boy.
How many times do you need to hear the truth before it sinks into that
little pointy head of yours, huh.
Frank


You've posted these lies repeatedly and you've been repeatedly and
soundly refuted.

Alias

Still making a fool out of yourself I see!
Good, we enjoy the laughter...hahaha...lol.
Frank
 
F

Frank Bright

Lang Murphy said:
<snip>

Yes, there are good things about nix...


<snip>

Yes, there are places where nix fails...

From my perspective, which maps very much to your perspective, nix
requires -too much time- of it's user to get things working as expected.
I'm playing around with Ubuntu 7.04 right now. There appears to be pretty
good support in alt.os.linux.ubuntu, but, like here, depends on who
responds to one's queries. No doubt my view is slanted by being one of
those folks who, pretty much, has no problems with Vista. Sure, I've got
my one or two nits that I don't like about Vista, but, generally, I'm a
happy camper.

All that said... ultimately, no pun intended, one must spend a fair amount
of time learning nix's different way of doing things. If one is willing to
invest the time, from what I've read, there are few things that nix won't
do that Windows can. Can't comment on the gaming aspect... not a gamer.
But if one is a gamer, and that support happens to be, in fact, one of the
major deficiencies of nix, then, no doubt, I can see that as being a major
road block to moving to nix as a desktop replacement for Windows.

Like yourself, I like to keep an open mind on nix and dip my toes into the
nix pool every couple of years, just to see how things are progressing. I
think some folks may take your indictment of nix as an indication that
you're closed minded. Well... you never would have come to the conclusions
you did, without having attempted using a nix distro. Whether you invested
as much time as nix fans might deem appropriate, is beyond me. No doubt
this thread will generate plenty of replies from that camp, given the
number of nix aficionados who hang out in this ng.

Thanks for the detailed post; appreciated!

Lang

I'm a technological agnostic, so I go for what works and runs well. I am a
dual-booter. (Vista/Mandriva & XP/Ubuntu Studio) That said, I do identify
with the author of this forum, although I won't get into dismissing Linux
the way he seems to do. I try to keep an open mind, so...

I've been fooling around with Linux for 3 to 4 months now. Ubuntu IS easy
and I've learned a lot from it. And while I am grateful to Ubuntu for
helping me enter the Linux world, I must say this in all honesty: Ubuntu is
UgLy!! (Studio is a lot better) Please, get a web designer in here fast, a
color coordinator, anything !! And for those who love the 'Eye Candy'
argument, since when do people NOT care how their OS looks and operates? It
IS important, especially if I'm staring at it for 2+ hours a day. Sure, I
can customize my desktop in Ubuntu Feisty, but there's only so far one can
go unless you use Compiz or Beryl, and that software is still very much in
the beta phase.

I believe the predicament of Linux is not entirely Linux's fault - in other
words, combine an Open Source Philosophy with a free market and mix in
intellectual property and stock shareholders and you get Linux's justified
feeling of alienation from a market that only cooperates when it has profits
coming in as a result. As a result, most hardware developers have no
interests in sharing vital information with driver developers in the Linux
community. So developers must sometimes work backwards to develop drivers
for Linux and that takes ......time.

That said, Linux has a long way to go to satisfy my needs as a professional.
I'm a professional musician/publisher and so I use many different functions
that cater to musicians/publishers. And the nature of technology is to be on
the cutting edge, to offer things that one has Not been able to do before.
Here are some of my functions that Linux as yet cannot supply:

1) I use Finale to do music notation and write charts on my computer. I've
tried to get Finale/Midi configured for this in Ubuntu Fesity and others
have as well. We have not found any solutions thus far. There ARE music
notation programs for Ubuntu, but they look cheesy and amateurish in
comparison to Finale. Charts ARE about looks and presentation, and anyone
who claims that other music notation programs can come close to doing what
Finale does simply does not know what they are talking about.

2) I use my computer for Pro Audio and use Sonar 6 Producer Edition on XP.
Linux has Ardour 2.0 which looks impressive. But the quality of plugins
cannot even come close to what I get with my Waves Audio Plugins, which are
used by many professionals in the business. I have tinkered with Ardour and
found that I'd be searching the web night and day to find half-way suitable
plugins, and even then I question that. I hold a little bit of a grudge
against the author of Ardour because I made a generous donation and got no
thank you whatsoever - no acknowledgement of my gift or anything. And yes, I
wrote him about that directly. I don't care who you are. One should say
'Thank You' when they receive a gift.

Open Office did say 'Thank You' to me and for that, they will probably
receive more money from me in the future.

3) I do OnCD printing for many of my projects. Turboprint for Linux actually
supplies this driver now and I bought it as well. However, I asked
Turboprint what program to use here (thinking templates etc) and they could
only suggest Gimp and Open Draw. With no templates I'd be shooting in the
dark for half a day and wasting CDs in order get the printing aligned
right, not to mention lack of color/resolution control.

4) Turboprint recently completed making the driver for my Epson RX580, but
as yet they cannot support the scanner function of this Epson model. While I
AM grateful that they have made a driver for this (I bought it remember?),
supporting half a product is kind of typical in Linux.

5) I can get Flash MX to work in Linux through CrossOver but my project is
more advanced and requires at least Flash Studio MX 2004. That version will
not run on CrossOver, nor will other, more recent versions.

I really could add more but I hope my point comes through. I really do like
Linux and for the record, I think Mandriva is just as easy as Ubuntu Feisty
to use and is a LOT better looking. I dual-boot with Vista/Mandriva on my
desktop at this point, although I did have to relocate my modem and go in
wired to the internet as a result. I have yet to get my wireless Linksys
WMP300N to work with Mandriva (or Ubuntu for that matter).

Thanks to anyone who read this long post,...Frank B.

www.frankbright.com
 
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Alias

Frank said:
Alias said:
Frank said:
Alias wrote:



All the programs I need come with Ubuntu and Automatix2. What I
don't need and you do are anti virus and anti malware programs. With
a hard firewall router, I don't need a soft firewall either. I also
don't need the WPA and WGA programs.

Alias


You're running a toy for pete's [sic] sake!

False.

It's just above etch-a-sketch.

False.

For you I guess that's enough.


For many people, governments and businesses, it's enough.
Fro [sic] a business, forget it.


It's not our fault that you're too stupid to install Ubunut, Frankie Boy.
How many times do you need to hear the truth before it sinks into
that little pointy head of yours, huh.
Frank


You've posted these lies repeatedly and you've been repeatedly and
soundly refuted.

Alias

Still making a fool out of yourself I see!
Good, we enjoy the laughter...hahaha...lol.
Frank

Translation: when Frankie Boy is soundly refuted he resorts to childish
insults.

Alias
 
B

Bill Yanaire

and Alias isn't far behind. You're wasting valuable bandwidth. Mozey on
over to the Ubuntu group and tell them how wonderful Ubuntu is and how it
will save the world

Alias said:
Frank said:
Alias said:
Frank wrote:

Alias wrote:



All the programs I need come with Ubuntu and Automatix2. What I don't
need and you do are anti virus and anti malware programs. With a hard
firewall router, I don't need a soft firewall either. I also don't
need the WPA and WGA programs.

Alias


You're running a toy for pete's [sic] sake!


False.

It's just above etch-a-sketch.


False.

For you I guess that's enough.


For many people, governments and businesses, it's enough.

Fro [sic] a business, forget it.


It's not our fault that you're too stupid to install Ubunut, Frankie
Boy.

How many times do you need to hear the truth before it sinks into that
little pointy head of yours, huh.
Frank


You've posted these lies repeatedly and you've been repeatedly and
soundly refuted.

Alias

Still making a fool out of yourself I see!
Good, we enjoy the laughter...hahaha...lol.
Frank

Translation: when Frankie Boy is soundly refuted he resorts to childish
insults.

Alias
 
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ArameFarpado

Em Quarta, 25 de Julho de 2007 15:29, Frank escreveu:
You're running a toy for pete's sake! It's just above etch-a-sketch.
For you I guess that's enough.
Fro a business, forget it.
How many times do you need to hear the truth before it sinks into that
little pointy head of yours, huh.
Frank

Aren't you tired off being a domesticated animal farm?

When it comes to do real pro computer working, windows can't do it... after
adding a few extra software on it, it becames abled to do some (little) pro
computing... god, not even MS developers can work with windows at all, just
see this video...

http://my.opera.com/EvilRadish/blog/2007/07/24/m-e-as-macas


and wake up, you are brain washed, but that is curable...
 
F

Frank

ArameFarpado said:
Em Quarta, 25 de Julho de 2007 15:29, Frank escreveu:



Aren't you tired off being a domesticated animal farm?

When it comes to do real pro computer working, windows can't do it... after
adding a few extra software on it, it becames abled to do some (little) pro
computing... god, not even MS developers can work with windows at all, just
see this video...

http://my.opera.com/EvilRadish/blog/2007/07/24/m-e-as-macas


and wake up, you are brain washed, but that is curable...


iPhone envy???
WTF are you talking about.
Linux is toy os and a piece of crap used by kids.
Get a real os. Get Vista...the very best!
Frank

p.s. leave those sheep along...you're sick!
 
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ArameFarpado

Em Quarta, 25 de Julho de 2007 18:43, Frank escreveu:
iPhone envy???
no, i want you to see MS developers using MACs

wanna see cinema workers using linux?
WTF are you talking about.
i'm saying that you are a joke...
Linux is toy os and a piece of crap used by kids.
my kids use it, yes :)
Get a real os. Get Vista...the very best!
right, i work with vista in work at that's it...

it sucks, like all windows does:
i open a funny named pdf, open it whit acroread, saw the title and wanna
rename the file to a human readable name... can't, can't rename the file
because it is been used... ****, it's opended by a READER.

windows is shit all the time, it is the only sistem that doesn't rename,
move or delete, and even copy a file because it is opened.
you guys only consider this normal because you are all stupids, you never
seen a computer working and you think been assrapped all the time is the
way to go... dumbs.

a few days ago i posted a problem happening in my brothers PC, and the only
anwsers i got was: vista can't do that... crap
the finnest piece ot the art from microsoft can't do multi-user task... and
you call this the great? windows is the worse sistem anybody can put on a
Pc. microsoft sould stick with the computers that gave it's name (micro)
and just keeping doing games for Z81 a Sinclair Spectrums, the should never
had gone to pc's.
p.s. leave those sheep along...you're sick!
is ti raining there or did you pist your paints ?
 
J

James Matthews

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Frank said:
Alias said:
Frank said:
Alias wrote:



All the programs I need come with Ubuntu and Automatix2. What I don't
need and you do are anti virus and anti malware programs. With a hard
firewall router, I don't need a soft firewall either. I also don't need
the WPA and WGA programs.

Alias


You're running a toy for pete's [sic] sake!

False.

It's just above etch-a-sketch.

False.

For you I guess that's enough.


For many people, governments and businesses, it's enough.
Fro [sic] a business, forget it.


It's not our fault that you're too stupid to install Ubunut, Frankie Boy.
How many times do you need to hear the truth before it sinks into that
little pointy head of yours, huh.
Frank


You've posted these lies repeatedly and you've been repeatedly and
soundly refuted.

Alias

Still making a fool out of yourself I see!
Good, we enjoy the laughter...hahaha...lol.
Frank
 
R

Rich

You sound like a "brainwashed" Vista user taling about Microsoft and Vista

:)

the old socialist double standard?


heh :)


oh how quickly we can switch the arguments dependent upon what is in
context.


Rich
 
R

Rich

I dont understand why u guys sit in here and feud about windows or linux
everyone has a right to there choice of OS. neither one of you guys are


If you understood the alternative, then it would become more clear.
What else is there for the "Vista is ____" (select disparaging adjective of
choice) crowd?
Some egos need to enforce their choice of OS by making it seem better by
making the OTHER "seem" worse.
Some its not even an OS thing but "speaking truth to power" :)

so to boil it down?

EGO, the dialectic makes then feel better about themselves

I call it political cocaine in the political world.

it helps you get thru another day.


Rich
 
M

Mr. Happy

Frank said:
Yeah, that guy in his garage in Germany is just burning the midnight oil
cranking out worthless toy os's for linturds like you to eat and enjoy
every 6 moths...wow...hahahah...lol!
Right, doris?
Frank

You're so totally clueless it's incredible. Do you think that the main
applications for Linux are written by one individual in a garage? Pretty
much all the major software development firms sponsor the various major
applications by either contributing man-hours by their developers or direct
cash allowances to the developer teams.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy
 
M

Mr. Happy

Frank said:
Yeah, that guy in his garage in Germany is just burning the midnight oil
cranking out worthless toy os's for linturds like you to eat and enjoy
every 6 moths...wow...hahahah...lol!
Right, doris?
Frank

Though the article is dated back in 2003, already IBM had invested $1
Billion into Linux and had 7500 people working on Linux in the company. The
numbers have increased significantly since then and that is only one high
tech company. You really don't understand the Linux world if you think it's
all done in someone's garage.

http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/interviews/4768/2/

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy
 
F

Frank

Mr. Happy wrote:

You're so totally clueless it's incredible. Do you think that the main
applications for Linux are written by one individual in a garage?

They aren't? Are you sure about that?

Pretty
much all the major software development firms sponsor the various major
applications by either contributing man-hours by their developers or direct
cash allowances to the developer teams.


You mean like a free Happy Meal mr happy?
Frank
 
F

Frank

Mr. Happy wrote:

Though the article is dated back in 2003, already IBM had invested $1
Billion into Linux...

I though linux was free? Why then did IMB spend 1bil$'s on it?

and had 7500 people working on Linux in the company.

Oh, I see. They over spent on linux so they had to fire 150,000 IBM
employees to make up the difference.
Makes sense to me!
Frank
 

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