Legality of OEM Win XP 1-2 CPU

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Bruce said:
Greetings --



OK. You simply refuse to abandon your delusions and face the
facts. The "law" is the very one you're so fond of quoting: Title 17
of the U.S. Code.

Where does that law say that it is illegal for an individual to install a
copy of software on more than one computer for his/her private
non-commercial use?
Once again, I give up trying to reason with a "religious" fanatic.

Once again, you'll run away when you are confronted by someone who shakes
the foundations of your beliefs with the truth.
I hope you and your fantasies will be very happy together.

I'm the one in fantasyland! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Johnny said:
Where did "religious" fanatic come from?

See, Bruce has only his faith to back up his opinion that installing
software on more than one computer is a crime, specifically theft, so
naturally he assumes that everybody that disagrees with his "religious"
faith, is just someone from a different one.
I saw no mention of any sort of religion.

Microsoft is a religion to many, though Bruce is one of the most fanatical
of the MicroFUDamentalists.

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It seems to me that when people don't have a leg to stand on, they just say
it was the religious fanatic (ie. "it is a religious right wing conspiracy")
 
kurttrail said:
"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use."

Where in this statement do you see the Supreme Court limiting the type
of "copyrighted work" that ANY individual may reproduced for a "fair
use?"

http://lawcrawler.findlaw.com/MAD/fairuse.htm

The doctrine of FAIR USE is described at 17 U.S.C. Section 107.
"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106 and 106A, the fair use
of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or
phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for
purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching
(including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or
research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether
the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the
factors to be considered shall include -
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use
is of a commercial nature or is for or nonprofit educational purposes,
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work,
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to
the copyrighted work as a whole, and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of
the copyrighted work."

Note in particular item (3) - "fair use" applies to a portion of a
copyrighted work and not the copyrighted work as a whole.

Also item (4) would seem to imply that "fair use" cannot be used to
achieve from a single copy what would otherwise require the purchase
of 2 or more copies.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
 
Ron said:
http://lawcrawler.findlaw.com/MAD/fairuse.htm

The doctrine of FAIR USE is described at 17 U.S.C. Section 107.
"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106 and 106A, the fair use
of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or
phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for
purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching
(including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or
research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether
the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the
factors to be considered shall include -
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use
is of a commercial nature or is for or nonprofit educational purposes,

Private non-commercial individual use.

"In a 1994 case, the Supreme Court emphasized this first factor as being a
primary indicator of fair use." -
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html

Of course public commercial use is sometimes legally allowable under "fair
use." Private non-commercial use in the home would be the most flexible
form of "fair use."
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work,

"In addition, you will have a stronger case of fair use if the material
copied is from a published work than an unpublished work." -
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html

Not only published, but sold in retail stores as a commercial product.
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to
the copyrighted work as a whole, and

Entire. The Supreme Court in 1984, when considering the taping of entire
movies on a VCR already concluded that individuals can copy an entire
copyrighted work as a "fair use."

http://laws.findlaw.com/us/464/417.html
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of
the copyrighted work."

Non-existent since copyright owner was paid for the original copy by the
indivdiual, thereby has already gotten a "fair return" for the creative
labor of the author(s).

"The limited scope of the copyright holder's statutory monopoly, like the
limited copyright duration required by the Constitution, reflects a balance
of competing claims upon the public interest: Creative work is to be
encouraged and rewarded, but private motivation must ultimately serve the
cause of promoting broad public availability of literature, music, and the
other arts. The immediate effect of our copyright law is to secure a fair
return for an 'author's' creative labor. But the ultimate aim is, by this
incentive, to stimulate artistic creativity for the general public good.
'The sole interest of the United States and the primary object in conferring
the monopoly,' this Court has said, 'lie in the general benefits derived by
the public from the labors of authors' . . . . When technological change has
rendered its literal terms ambiguous, the Copyright Act must be construed in
light of this basic purpose." - http://laws.findlaw.com/us/422/151.html
Note in particular item (3) - "fair use" applies to a portion of a
copyrighted work and not the copyrighted work as a whole.

Your note is wrong. There is already US Supreme Court precedent that allows
the copying of an entire copyrighted work by an individual as a "fair use."
When the use is for public and/or commercial use, then the likelihood of
copying an entire work being a "fair use" isn't very likely, however for
private non-commercial use in the home, the courts are more likely than not
to view copying an entire work as a "fair use."
Also item (4) would seem to imply that "fair use" cannot be used to
achieve from a single copy what would otherwise require the purchase
of 2 or more copies.

Huh? How is that implied? The copyright owner already received fair
compensation for it's copyrighted work. No copyright owner is due more than
a "fair return for an 'author's' creative labor . . . . 'The sole interest
of the United States and the primary object in conferring the monopoly,'
this Court has said, 'lie in the general benefits derived by the public from
the labors of authors' . . . . When technological change has rendered its
literal terms ambiguous, the Copyright Act must be construed in light of
this basic purpose."

Of course you could have save me from repeating this all by just replying to
my reply to Bruce on the "fair use" law.

"Unfortunately, if the copyright owner disagrees with your fair use
interpretation, the dispute will have to be resolved by courts or
arbitration." -
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.html

So when MS brings me to court over my interpretation of "fair use" and wins,
then I will believe their interpretation, but until then, I have every LEGAL
and MORAL right to follow what I believe are my "fair use" rights to my
legally purchased copies of copyrighted material. And you and Bruce, and
the lord Jaysus effin' Christ, can say I'm wrong, until you are blue in the
face, but that doesn't change the FACT that in the US there is nothing
illegal or immoral about an individual installing and using software, that
was legally purchased, on more than one computer, for private non-commercial
use, until there is a law passed, like UCITA, or a court precedent
establishes that it is. This is how the law works. Tough sh*t for the
corporate copyright elite, their sycophants, and all the FUD that "fair use"
is copyright piracy!

WE THE PEOPLE won't be suckered by FUD & BS any longer! It's time for the
corporate copyright elite to put up, in a court of law, or just SHUT THE
F*CK UP!

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TJF said:
Holy crap people, what was all that back there, the sidetracking and
arguging over religion and law. That was kind of amusing. The last
couple of posts here were relevent though, and correct, CPU means the
actual processor not your actual computer case and all of its
contents. And for the record, there are copyrights for a reason,
because if you violate them, it is a violation of the law and
installing, for example, Windows 2000 on more than one machine is in
violation of copyright/piracy laws and is therefore illegal whether
you get caught or not, although it is not likely that you will.

Show us all the specific US "copyright/piracy" law that makes it illegal
for an individual to install the same copy of software on more than one
computer. If you can't come up with one, then people stop BULLSH*TTING
this group!

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