Kodak 4" * 6" Premium Picture Paper size

[Geoff]

I bought a box of the Kodak 4" * 6" PPP to have a play with on my new Canon
i9959 printer as the paper was selling at 1/2 price at my local Officeworks
store. I tried doing some borderless prints using the Canon Easy-PhotoPrint
utility. The prints came out fine but were only borderless on 3 sides - the
trailing edge out of the printer had a border of about 1/4". I measured
the paper and it measures 4" * 6.5". Does anyone know why the extra 1/2
inch in the width? Also with borderless printing , is there overspray of
the ink and where does this go?

Cheers

Geoff

 

[beezer]

I bought a box of the Kodak 4" * 6" PPP to have a play with on my new Canon
i9959 printer as the paper was selling at 1/2 price at my local Officeworks
store. I tried doing some borderless prints using the Canon Easy-PhotoPrint
utility. The prints came out fine but were only borderless on 3 sides - the
trailing edge out of the printer had a border of about 1/4". I measured
the paper and it measures 4" * 6.5". Does anyone know why the extra 1/2
inch in the width? Also with borderless printing , is there overspray of
the ink and where does this go?

Cheers

Geoff

Ive never seen the precut kodak paper myself. If they advertise it as
4x6 and no extra border for handling, that may explain the big
discount.

A half inch seems to be alot for adjusting the overspray. You can
usually find that setting in the printer drivers where you manually
select borderless printing. Your picture would have to be 4x6.5 as
well.

I would suggest grabbing a cheap guillotine paper cutter and trim the
extra half inch if you could. I know that defeats the purpose of
buying borderless stock but on the other hand, your printer will work
the way it supposed to and you dont have to worry about cropping
oddball sized photos as well.

I make 3.5 x 5 borless all the time. I use a paper cutter and get 4
prints per sheet. I use the 4x6 feeder which the holders close in on
quite nicely. I also have to set the margins of the printing software
to 0 x 0 to ensure it prints at the edge... works perfectly and you
dont need to run any special software.

Hope this gives some ideas to consider.

 

[Ron Baird]

Hi Geoff,

I can appreciate your question, Geoff, and thought I would share on it.
Actually, the 4x6 on the package reflects the common size of a snapshot
print. We put 4x6.5 in the package because not all printers will accept a
true 4x6 size paper and so we are also universally compatible with all
printers. The paper is slightly larger in the package to allow all printers
the opportunity to create standard 4x6 prints. Without the extra "tab" this
would not be possible for all printers.

In order to provide a solution that works in all printers, which includes
borderless printers, we designed our 4x6 in. paper with a tab. This insures
that our papers meet the need for snapshot prints as well as the need to
provide a broad solution for all printers.

Hope this helps,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company

 

[Clay]

I bought a box of the Kodak 4" * 6" PPP to have a play with on my new Canon
i9959 printer as the paper was selling at 1/2 price at my local Officeworks
store. I tried doing some borderless prints using the Canon Easy-PhotoPrint
utility. The prints came out fine but were only borderless on 3 sides - the
trailing edge out of the printer had a border of about 1/4". I measured
the paper and it measures 4" * 6.5". Does anyone know why the extra 1/2
inch in the width? Also with borderless printing , is there overspray of
the ink and where does this go?

Cheers

Geoff

Many printers can't print to the final trailing edge -- they need the extra bit
to
hold on to the paper while the last is being printed.

Idiots though, at least they could micro-perf that extra half-inch the way HP
does
[and given the 'claim' of 4x6 on the box, one might reasonably expect that it
was].

 

[beezer]

Hi Geoff,

I can appreciate your question, Geoff, and thought I would share on it.
Actually, the 4x6 on the package reflects the common size of a snapshot
print. We put 4x6.5 in the package because not all printers will accept a
true 4x6 size paper and so we are also universally compatible with all
printers. The paper is slightly larger in the package to allow all printers
the opportunity to create standard 4x6 prints. Without the extra "tab" this
would not be possible for all printers.

In order to provide a solution that works in all printers, which includes
borderless printers, we designed our 4x6 in. paper with a tab. This insures
that our papers meet the need for snapshot prints as well as the need to
provide a broad solution for all printers.

Hope this helps,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company

My thinking was along the tab theory, thanks for clarifying this.
Also, is the tab perforated for easy removal? Just curious as I never
bought the borderless pack

 

[Ron Baird]

Hi Beezer,

I believe the perfed edge of the paper is a non Kodak patent. Kodak
included perforations in the past then stopped that option. I suspect it
was due to that reason? Just a guess on my part.

Talk to you soon.

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company

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printers

 

[Rob]

Someone ought to patent the edges of paper. Anyone who didn't want to
pay licensing fees would be free to invent edgeless paper and patent
that.
I just love the US Patent Office.

 

[Hecate]

Someone ought to patent the edges of paper. Anyone who didn't want to
pay licensing fees would be free to invent edgeless paper and patent
that.
I just love the US Patent Office.

Has anyone got the patent on square pixels? ;-)

 

[beezer]

Has anyone got the patent on square pixels? ;-)

--

Hecate
(e-mail address removed)
veni, vidi, reliqui

No, just perforated pixels. They crop to the print size automatically.

 

[Geoff]

Yes Beezer I might keep an eye out for a cheap guillotine or paper cutter.
Ron Baird explained the reason for the extra 1/2 inch but maybe it should be
mentioned on the paper packaging or on the Kodak website. I searched
everywhere but couldn't find a clue about that extra bit of paper.

Cheers

Geoff

 

[Geoff]

Thanks for the reply Ron ..... that certainly answers my question. Is the
4x6 the only size with the extra "tab"? What about the 5x7 ... I've bought
some of that too but haven't tried it yet. I must say that I am delighted
with the quality of the prints I am getting with the Kodak PPP and Ultima
papers. Haven't tried any Canon paper yet but cant imagine it could be any
better.

Regards

Geoff

 

[Geoff]

Yep the micro perforation would solve the problem and eliminate the need for
cutting ...... but as Ron Baird pointed out Kodak used to do it but stopped
prolly for patent reasons. Oh well, as one of our Aussie PM's once said
"life wasn't meant to be easy" )

Cheers

Geoff

Many printers can't print to the final trailing edge -- they need the extra bit
to
hold on to the paper while the last is being printed.

Idiots though, at least they could micro-perf that extra half-inch the way HP
does
[and given the 'claim' of 4x6 on the box, one might reasonably expect that it
was].

 

[B. Peg]

"Haven't tried any Canon paper yet but can't imagine it could be any
better."

You'll be pleasantly surprised.

Having to cut all the Kodak paper, plus it won't load correctly in the Canon
printer loader (flap won't close without mangling it), makes it worthless
for me. Don't care for the semi-gloss effect the Kodak paper has either and
it has an odd bluish cast as well. Ink seems to sit on top of it too (even
turned ink level amount down).

B~

 

[beezer]

You'll be pleasantly surprised.

Having to cut all the Kodak paper, plus it won't load correctly in the Canon
printer loader (flap won't close without mangling it), makes it worthless
for me. Don't care for the semi-gloss effect the Kodak paper has either and
it has an odd bluish cast as well. Ink seems to sit on top of it too (even
turned ink level amount down).

B~

Have you used the Kodak recommended settings for your paper? I had the
same feelings not long ago until I tried the settings. It still
needed slight adjusting such as unchecking the "vivid" option and
setting type to "NONE"

I had a bunch of ultima paper laying around from a previous printer
that used it well. I set it aside as my Canon didn't like it until
using the proper settings I find the contrast and clarity to be
excellent.

Of course, your ink and color profile may require a bit of tweeking
such as mine did.

OH and to top it off, try a light spray of clear coat.. I used the
krylon and I have several cans of it but Ive read reports of basic
spray clear coats being used with the same results and much cheaper.

Handling the prints and not having paper stick to glass are just the
basic benefits of using it on any paper.

 

[Ron Baird]

Hi Geoff,

Nope, the 5x7 is exactly that. The only paper that has a difference is the
4x6.5 for the noted reasons.

Talk to you soon Geoff,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company

 

[Ron Baird]

Hi Peg,

Sorry about the color issue, Peg, that should not happen. Are you using the
specified settings for the Kodak paper? If not, you may want to try
EasyShare and the One Touch feature. It will auto set your driver to
optimize for the Kodak paper type you using. If not using Kodak paper, it
will use the general settings provided by Canon.

http://www.kodak.com/go/onetouch

Anyway, talk to you soon.

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company

 

[B. Peg]

Ron,
I'll give it (i.e. the EasyShot software) a try as I have a lot of Kodak
paper lying around. I'm downloading the file for the Canon i960 now.

Still, it would be better to advertise Kodak's Premium High Gloss paper as a
Semi-Gloss and not a gloss. I know you've seen the Canon Glossy. Some of
the "gloss loss" may be due to the ink appearing to sit on top of the paper.
The cyan cast? Maybe the EasyShot will help.

Okay, make the size show 4 x 6.5 inches on the box as well with the notice
it "May not print borderless 4 x 6 inch prints" in some printers. As
mentioned, the Canon loader will not cover the paper as it sticks out too
far. Trimming the prints is also a pain since the tear strip has been
removed (paper should have been cut down at the time). One of the prime
reasons I buy the 4 x 6 inch paper is to avoid cutting; otherwise, I'd print
it all on letter size and guillotine cut them down.

B~

 

[Geoff]

My results have also been superb without any tweaking ............. what
type of stores sell the Krylon spray Beezer? I'm in Melbourne, Australia.

Cheers

Geoff

 

[beezer]

My results have also been superb without any tweaking ............. what
type of stores sell the Krylon spray Beezer? I'm in Melbourne, Australia.

Cheers

Geoff

I purchased the spray online. Perhaps you could find an online vendor
in your area if you wanted to try the originak Krylon "Preserve It". I
think any clearcoat protectant at your local department, hobby or
craft store would work just as well from what I read. Also, it would
be much cheaper

The enhancement is very nice I think. It gives the look of satin
finish and the benefit of handling and not sticking to glass is well
worth it.

 

[B. Peg]

I've been meaning to do my comparison between several papers to see what
they look like side-by-side. Now is good a time as any to print the same
portrait on all brands and see what comes out.

Papers were:
Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy
Fuji Premium Plus
Epson Dura Brite Glossy
Kodak Premium Picture Paper
Tetenal Spectra Jet High Glossy Paper Special

The Canon has the highest gloss and ink does not appear to be a layer above
it that has that halo effect. The paper is very flat which enhances the
gloss.

Tetenal is a close second although I notice more of a pebble effect to the
paper's surface which degrades the gloss a bit. Still, not bad. I had to
cut the paper to 4 x 6 inches though as all I have is letter size.

The Epson has much less gloss, maybe the least gloss out of the five. Color
is similar to the two above. Not impressed at all with surface. It
supposedly is optimized for Epson's DuraBrite inks so this may have some
gloss influence.

The Fuji, also a 4 x 6.5 inch size like the Kodak but has a tear off. It
has a nice gloss and cooler (bluish cast) and actually it doesn't appear too
bad. It does have that effect of the ink being painted on the surface and
somewhat raised as does the Kodak.

The Kodak paper demonstrated horizontal banding, approximately 1/4" apart,
which I have never seen before from the i960 printer. Very noticeable in a
brunette's hair but not elsewhere on the print(??). Not good. Also has
that effect of the ink sitting above the surface. Color appeared to be
between the Fuji and first three (slightly bluish). Setting were as
mentioned: vivid off, etc. Not satisfactory at all for the banding problem.

Still, I would favor the Canon paper as the ink appears to be inside the
paper and not resting on top. Prints appear more like a silver-halide
photographic print. The Tetenal is nice as a second choice. Epson if I
needed a bit less gloss.

Still, I like the Fuji color on the particular portrait I was working with
(gave me a cooler image). Unfortunately, if you do not load the Fuji paper
correctly, the damn tear strip may be at the wrong end.

Vote: Canon best. Kodak least due to ink not residing in paper (halo) and
banding in dark area.

I have used the sprays when prints go under glass. Not the Krylon, but
something from HP Marketing in a short spray can. They sell a matte and a
semi-gloss version as I recall. Got it from FreeStyle in Hollywood.

B~