Keep With Next isn't

[Chuck Martin]

I'm finding an annoying problem and I can't figure out what's causing
it. Basically, I have a template that contains heading paragraph styles
that have the Keep With Next attribute enabled, which is what I want.
But I am getting page breaks between the heading paragraphs and the
first paragraph of text afterwards.

This happens for both heading 1 and heading 2 levels.

I'm using Word 2003 on a WinXP Pro box. AFAIK, all with latest updates.

This template was not designed by me, but I have made some
modifications, mostly adding new styles. But I know of no template-wide
settings that would override paragraph settings like this.

I have not seen this in other documents on this same machine that don't
use this tempalte, however.

I've tried manually clearing, then re-setting this option. No success.

I don't know where else to look. Any ideas?

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[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Make sure there are no empty paragraphs between the headings and the
following text. Also, make sure that you don't have too many other
paragraphs formatted as "Keep with next." When there's more than a page
worth, Word has to break the text where it can.

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[Guest]

I've searched the archives, and I don't find a resolution to Chuck's problem
(or therefor mine). I've got headers that should keep with mext, but don't.
I've checked all the hints I've found...the text paragraph immediately
follows, and is NOT marked to keep with next.

I'm so frustrated my stomach hurts!

dale

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Make sure you don't have an empty paragraph (blank line) after the heading.

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[Guest]

I checked that (in Outline view), and it's fine. I've also looked at the
paragraph that follows to make sure it is not connected to the NEXT
paragraph. It does seem that the command does work at some locations in the
document (which is about 500 pages long), but I have a whole lot of headers
showing as the last line of a page--for no good reason that I can find.

dale

 

[Charles Kenyon]

Try viewing in print view or in normal view with display of non-printing
characters turned on.
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[Guest]

What am I looking for? There is a paragraph mark after the header, then a
page break (!!!!), then the next paragraph. Reveal codes verifies that the
header is formatted to "keep with next"..

dale

 

[Charles Kenyon]

A page break (strange as it may sound) is contained within the following
paragraph, so, your keep with next _is_ keeping with the next paragraph.
This is only one of many reasons for not using manual page breaks in
documents.

When you say there is a paragraph mark after the header, do you mean on the
same line as the header, at the end, or on the next line?
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[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Is the page break a manual one? If so, delete it. If not, check the
paragraphs before and after the heading to make sure that they and
preceding/subsequent ones are not formatted as "Keep with next." If you have
too many KWN paragraphs, Word ultimately has to insert a page break
somewhere.

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[Guest]

No, I really and truly have no manual page breaks....at least not on
purpose...in 500+ pages. There is a page break falling right under the
header, but it's automatic. The paragraph marks show at the end of the
header line and at the end of the following paragraph.

As you say, the page break does have to fall somewhere, but why not BEFORE
the header? There's nothing bizarre going on anywhere on the next page,
either.

I just tried changing the format header to remove the 'keep with next' and
then put it back. The document repaginated both times, but I'm back where I
started with a header hanging by itself at the bottom of the page.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Did you check the formatting of the surrounding paragraphs as suggested?

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[Guest]

yes, honest, they are all normal, and normal doesn't have keep with next as a
parameter.

dale

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

And you're sure no such formatting has been applied as direct formatting? If
you'd like me to take a look at the file, I will do so, but I'll be out of
town today and part of tomorrow, so I won't be able to get to it right away.
If you're interested, send a *small* sample to (e-mail address removed).

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