just found another reason to go back to XP

[Andy]

I have been trying Vista for a while and trying to see if I could get on
with it but the other day I got out my Sony Camcorder and tried to use the
USB streaming feature on it as I had no problem always using it in XP I
thought oh well in must work in Vista if I just load the Sony USB drivers -
wrong!

I went to the Sony website which said it wasn't supported in Vista and sent
Sony an email and they confirmed that USB streaming is not available in
Vista and they have no plans to introduce any new drivers or patches so that
it will work and suggested I use firewire instead.

My new PC only has 2 PCI sockets so now I have to use up one of those
sockets with a PCI Firewire card if I want to go that way - so bugger that I
have gone back to XP now and got my streaming back, like using IE6 instead
of IE7 and feel like I have been reacquainted with an old friend and like
using XP much better plus there are huge load of programs and software for
XP out there. Maybe after Vista has been out for a year it might be better
but the way I feel at the moment is that out of XP & vista I know myself
which one is the best operating system.

Andy.

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

If neither PCI socket was being used for anything, then it would not have
been a problem other than the cost of a Firewire card.. XP faced similar
issues when introduced, with intransigent hardware manufacturers refusing to
support older products.. one can't blame them as they have to generate new
sales somehow, and at the same time, development of an OS can't stand still
either..

I have been trying Vista for a while and trying to see if I could get on
with it but the other day I got out my Sony Camcorder and tried to use the
USB streaming feature on it as I had no problem always using it in XP I
thought oh well in must work in Vista if I just load the Sony USB
drivers -
wrong!

I went to the Sony website which said it wasn't supported in Vista and
sent
Sony an email and they confirmed that USB streaming is not available in
Vista and they have no plans to introduce any new drivers or patches so
that
it will work and suggested I use firewire instead.

My new PC only has 2 PCI sockets so now I have to use up one of those
sockets with a PCI Firewire card if I want to go that way - so bugger that
I
have gone back to XP now and got my streaming back, like using IE6 instead
of IE7 and feel like I have been reacquainted with an old friend and like
using XP much better plus there are huge load of programs and software for
XP out there. Maybe after Vista has been out for a year it might be better
but the way I feel at the moment is that out of XP & vista I know myself
which one is the best operating system.

Andy.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[dennis@home]

I have been trying Vista for a while and trying to see if I could get on
with it but the other day I got out my Sony Camcorder and tried to use the
USB streaming feature on it as I had no problem always using it in XP I
thought oh well in must work in Vista if I just load the Sony USB
drivers -
wrong!

I went to the Sony website which said it wasn't supported in Vista and
sent
Sony an email and they confirmed that USB streaming is not available in
Vista and they have no plans to introduce any new drivers or patches so
that
it will work and suggested I use firewire instead.

My new PC only has 2 PCI sockets so now I have to use up one of those
sockets with a PCI Firewire card if I want to go that way - so bugger that
I
have gone back to XP now and got my streaming back, like using IE6 instead
of IE7 and feel like I have been reacquainted with an old friend and like
using XP much better plus there are huge load of programs and software for
XP out there. Maybe after Vista has been out for a year it might be better
but the way I feel at the moment is that out of XP & vista I know myself
which one is the best operating system.

Its not going to get any better for you as its Sony that are not making
their kit compatible.
They have offered a workaround and its up to you if you want to stay with
XP.
Personally I would install a combo USB2 + firewire card in a PCI slot and
use firewire.
You will find firewire works better for a camera anyway.

 

[John Barnes]

Interesting computer without 1 firewire slot, but maybe a PCI-e slot. I use
that for some extra USB and know they have firewire available. If you are
more comfortable with XP and your programs and hardware work on XP, why
would you want to move to a new OS your computer wasn't designed for?

 

[Destructor]

BAAAAAAAAA!

That's what the sheerers want to hear the sheeple say.

 

[Andy]

Interesting computer without 1 firewire slot, but maybe a PCI-e slot. I use
that for some extra USB and know they have firewire available. If you are
more comfortable with XP and your programs and hardware work on XP, why
would you want to move to a new OS your computer wasn't designed for?

Oh yes my computer was designed for and loaded with Vista (1gb RAM Pentium
Dual Core) - but flies now its got XP on it. Starts up and shuts down
quicker and works properly with my camcorder and other stuff. I think I will
stick with XP for a while now I would rather have an operating system that
works with a majority of stuff rather than a gimmicky new software that is
not fully supported even yet!.

Andy.

 

[Andy]

If neither PCI socket was being used for anything, then it would not have
been a problem other than the cost of a Firewire card.. XP faced similar
issues when introduced, with intransigent hardware manufacturers refusing to
support older products.. one can't blame them as they have to generate new
sales somehow, and at the same time, development of an OS can't stand still
either..

I do think its shocking that a manufacturer can bring out an OS even though
there are compatibility problems and with so many drivers and programs
incompatible with vista though. Same thing happened with XP I seem to
remember when it came out and people were angry then its seems like no
lessons were learned - I would have like to have seen it released in this
order : manufactures of products should have brought out and tested divers
for vista and then reported back to MS then MS should have then bought out
Vista - to me that looked like it was totally back to front with Vista
coming out and manufacturers not having proper drivers and software to run
with it and people having to se XP drivers (where /if possible) which
wasn't ideal at all an its still the case here in September with some
manufacturers still not having drivers / solutions for the vista OS - its a
joke really.

People can say its not MS's fault that the manufacturers are not bringing
out the vista drivers and applications fast enough and that its the fault of
the manufacturers or that time has to move on and people have to go out and
buy new peripherals / components so as it works with vista but I do blame MS
for bringing out an operating system first with so many problems with
available drivers and applications to work with it. How can this win people
over to the new operating system?

Doing a bit of research and it seems a lot of people are angry that they
have been 'forced' to go back to XP because vista hasn't worked out for them
(due to their existing hardware / software not working at all or not working
properly with vista) - I realise that people have to update their hardware /
software and keep up with the times and the market cannot be allowed to
stand still but why when developers at MS was producing the vista OS didn't
they make sure that the majority of XP stuff worked properly in vista? - if
one thing in the marketing / adverts and to win more customers they could
have put in their marketing material ' dont worry nearly all your items that
worked with XP will work with vista - guaranteed' but no it dose'nt seem
the case at all!

Andy.

 

[John Barnes]

Sorry, but it is the old chicken or the egg. No one is going to waste time
writing programs or drivers for an os that doesn't have the installed base
to provide customers.

 

[Christopher R. Lee]

Sometimes you need to buy a new computer and then you have no choice
whatever concerning the OS, because for the moment MS is the only one most
people can use, for various reasons that have nothing to do with ease of
use, performance or service.

Regards

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Sometimes you need to buy a new computer and then you have no choice
whatever concerning the OS,

ThaT IS *NEVER* true. One always has a choice.

because for the moment MS is the only one
most people can use, for various reasons that have nothing to do with
ease of use, performance or service.

And how does what "most people" use dictate _your_ choice? Are you
enslaved by these "most people?"


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Christopher

I disagree, as a consumer you always have a choice.

When you say that:

MS is the only one most people can use, for various reasons that have
nothing to do with ease of use, performance or service.

There is always a trade off. If you really do not like Windows, and you can
find another OS that gives you the things that you feel Windows is lacking
then nobody can stop you from switching. Switching will involve a learning
curve, but so what? You were able to learn Windows, weren't you?

I would never pay for and use a product if it didn't meet my expectations,
requirements, or needs.

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Andy

Hardware is supported and software is supported, but it may not be what you
have already..

The hardware manufacturers have plenty of time to get their act together,
but they choose to drop older products lines when a new OS is introduced.
Having to use a new printer, scanner or whatever may not make your life any
better, and it will surely hit your pocket, but what hits your pocket makes
the hardware manufacturers accountants extremely happy, and what makes them
happy makes the production staff happy because they get to keep their jobs..

The same applies to software houses..

I do think its shocking that a manufacturer can bring out an OS even
though
there are compatibility problems and with so many drivers and programs
incompatible with vista though. Same thing happened with XP I seem to
remember when it came out and people were angry then its seems like no
lessons were learned - I would have like to have seen it released in this
order : manufactures of products should have brought out and tested divers
for vista and then reported back to MS then MS should have then bought out
Vista - to me that looked like it was totally back to front with Vista
coming out and manufacturers not having proper drivers and software to run
with it and people having to se XP drivers (where /if possible) which
wasn't ideal at all an its still the case here in September with some
manufacturers still not having drivers / solutions for the vista OS - its
a
joke really.

People can say its not MS's fault that the manufacturers are not bringing
out the vista drivers and applications fast enough and that its the fault
of
the manufacturers or that time has to move on and people have to go out
and
buy new peripherals / components so as it works with vista but I do blame
MS
for bringing out an operating system first with so many problems with
available drivers and applications to work with it. How can this win
people
over to the new operating system?

Doing a bit of research and it seems a lot of people are angry that they
have been 'forced' to go back to XP because vista hasn't worked out for
them
(due to their existing hardware / software not working at all or not
working
properly with vista) - I realise that people have to update their hardware
/
software and keep up with the times and the market cannot be allowed to
stand still but why when developers at MS was producing the vista OS
didn't
they make sure that the majority of XP stuff worked properly in vista? -
if
one thing in the marketing / adverts and to win more customers they could
have put in their marketing material ' dont worry nearly all your items
that
worked with XP will work with vista - guaranteed' but no it dose'nt seem
the case at all!

Andy.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Guest]

The lesson is clear: do not buy any new version of the operating system
until actually forced to. Resist buying a new computer that forces you to
the new operating system as long as you possibly can.

I bought a new computer (my old computer died) with Vista preinstalled and
have regretted that decision ever since. Sharing with XP computers basically
doesn't work, performance is much worse than XP, and a lot of things don't
work. Microsoft won't support me (without paying), and my computer vendor
knows virtually nothing about Vista (and is incapable of supporting it).

 

[Andy]

Andy

Hardware is supported and software is supported, but it may not be what you
have already..

The hardware manufacturers have plenty of time to get their act together,
but they choose to drop older products lines when a new OS is introduced.
Having to use a new printer, scanner or whatever may not make your life any
better, and it will surely hit your pocket, but what hits your pocket makes
the hardware manufacturers accountants extremely happy, and what makes them
happy makes the production staff happy because they get to keep their jobs..

The same applies to software houses..

so what of the manufacturers who are bring out vista drivers for their
existing products are we to be eternally grateful to them and if its the
case that they want to sell new products then what are the ones (that are)
bothering to produce vista drivers / patches for then?

Do you know what that if some of these manufacturers got their acts together
and decide its not worth their while bringing out drivers and patches for
free for vista but instead charged people a small reasonable fee for a vista
driver or patch or updated software to work with vista then I think people
would go for it rather than having to go out and buy new hardware and also
then this kind of thing will give the manufacturers incentive to produce new
drivers rather than if they have to give them out for free so everyone
should then be happy all round.

You imagine that if you are a kind of person that hates to chuck anything
out unless it is broken but you are told 'sorry there are no vista drivers
for your product and there is no plans to bring out vista drivers for your
product' and the product will only work on XP but you are told to go out and
replace that product even though it may be working perfectly and you are
used to using it and you cannot find a similar quality of product you are
replacing - its not ideal way of doing things is it?

Andy.

 

[Saucy]

Andy: My SONY Handycam does do USB streaming with Vista, but I dumped USB in
favour of Firewire .. the picture quality is much better with Firewire. If
you can, pop for Firewire .. you will like the results. Vista, BTW, handles
the SONY really well here .. I didn't even install the SONY software.

Saucy

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Andy

From a consumer point of view, it is not good, but companies have to
generate cash to produce new and hopefully better products, for which they
have to fund R&D, and they are not going to do that on the back of $2
patches..

so what of the manufacturers who are bring out vista drivers for their
existing products are we to be eternally grateful to them and if its the
case that they want to sell new products then what are the ones (that are)
bothering to produce vista drivers / patches for then?

Do you know what that if some of these manufacturers got their acts
together
and decide its not worth their while bringing out drivers and patches for
free for vista but instead charged people a small reasonable fee for a
vista
driver or patch or updated software to work with vista then I think people
would go for it rather than having to go out and buy new hardware and also
then this kind of thing will give the manufacturers incentive to produce
new
drivers rather than if they have to give them out for free so everyone
should then be happy all round.

You imagine that if you are a kind of person that hates to chuck anything
out unless it is broken but you are told 'sorry there are no vista drivers
for your product and there is no plans to bring out vista drivers for your
product' and the product will only work on XP but you are told to go out
and
replace that product even though it may be working perfectly and you are
used to using it and you cannot find a similar quality of product you are
replacing - its not ideal way of doing things is it?

Andy.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Andy]

Andy: My SONY Handycam does do USB streaming with Vista, but I dumped USB in
favour of Firewire .. the picture quality is much better with Firewire. If
you can, pop for Firewire .. you will like the results. Vista, BTW, handles
the SONY really well here .. I didn't even install the SONY software.

Saucy

I am glad it worked for you mine just asked for a driver and woudnt accept
the Sony USB driver off the disk or the one downloaded from the Sony website
and even Sony wrote back and said USB streaming from Sony camcorder don't
work in vista.

I personally on XP have had good results with the USB streaming and with
capturing still this way off the camcorder too and I used the Sony in XP as
a webcam as well with the USB streaming, but as I say I could not get it to
work with my vista here.

Andy.

 

[John Barnes]

But goodwill is also a consideration and I, for one, won't support companies
who won't provide reasonable support for their products. I stopped using
several brands when they wouldn't support XP64. Same would go for Vista
except that all my XP64 hardware is supported in Vista64

 

[Saucy]

Have you tried Firewire? Here the picture quality of the captures went
decidedly up.

Saucy

 

[Andy]

But goodwill is also a consideration and I, for one, won't support companies
who won't provide reasonable support for their products. I stopped using
several brands when they wouldn't support XP64. Same would go for Vista
except that all my XP64 hardware is supported in Vista64

I think if I see a company that brings out new vista drivers in a timely
fashion that would mean a lot to me next time I go out shopping for a new PC
component/peripheral and would stick with that company - if however a
company said that they are not bringing out vista drivers for their existing
products (even though the item is not right out of date!) then I will stay
clear of that companies product and wont buy from them again. That's the way
I would play it anyway.

The companies that are not supporting their existing products (even if they
are out of warranty) why should I bother to give them my business again

Andy.