Jet 4.0 SP8 - do I need it?

[Tcs]

(I asked this question last week in a different group. And I really didn't get
the answer I needed. All I basically got was "Here's where to find the Service
Pack." Seeing as I already *had* the Service Pack, this really didn't do me a
whole lot of good.)

What I want to know is, do I just "automatically" apply it? The *basic*
question is: Do I apply it?

Most files seem to be different sizes. One or more files what I already *have*
is/are a higher version number than what's in the service pack. I can't go by
dates, as MS didn't supply dates with the SP docs.

Here's what I have:

Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8 - status log - 8/29/2005 4:14:23 PM
------------------------------------------------------------

For computer...(IT-DBAdmin)

Files & Specs we *** WANT *** ...

(Dao360.dll )...(3.60.8025.0)...( 557,328)...()
(Expsrv.dll )...(6.0.72.9589)...( 380,957)...()
(Msexch40.dll )...( 4.0.6807.0)...( 512,272)...()
(Msexcl40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 303,376)...()
(Msjet40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...(1,507,600)...()
(Msjetoledb40.dll)...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 348,432)...()
(Msjint40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 151,824)...()
(Msjter40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 53,520)...()
(Msjtes40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 241,936)...()
(Msltus40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 213,264)...()
(Mspbde40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 356,624)...()
(Msrd2x40.dll )...( 4.0.7328.0)...( 422,160)...()
(Msrd3x40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 315,664)...()
(Msrepl40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 553,232)...()
(Mstext40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 258,320)...()
(Mswdat10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 831,760)...()
(Mswstr10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 614,672)...()
(Msxbde40.dll )...( 4.0.8025.0)...( 360,720)...()
(Vbajet32.dll )...( 6.0.1.9431)...( 30,749)...()


Files & Specs we *** HAVE *** ...

(dao360.dll )...(3.60.8618.0)...( 561,179)...(4/23/2004 10:05:24 AM)
(expsrv.dll )...(6.0.72.9589)...( 380,957)...(5/11/2003 10:35:32 PM)
(msexch40.dll )...( 4.0.6807.0)...( 512,029)...(5/11/2003 10:35:16 PM)
(msexcl40.dll )...( 4.0.8618.0)...( 319,517)...(4/23/2004 10:05:24 AM)
(msjet40.dll )...( 4.0.8618.0)...(1,507,356)...(4/23/2004 10:05:25 AM)
(msjetoledb40.dll)...( 4.0.8227.0)...( 358,976)...(4/23/2004 10:05:25 AM)
(msjint40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 151,583)...(5/11/2003 10:35:20 PM)
(msjter40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 53,279)...(5/11/2003 10:35:20 PM)
(msjtes40.dll )...( 4.0.8618.0)...( 241,693)...(4/23/2004 10:05:25 AM)
(msltus40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 213,023)...(5/11/2003 10:35:22 PM)
(mspbde40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 348,189)...(1/20/2004 5:13:29 PM)
(msrd2x40.dll )...( 4.0.7328.0)...( 421,919)...(5/11/2003 10:35:24 PM)
(msrd3x40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 315,423)...(5/11/2003 10:35:26 PM)
(msrepl40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 552,989)...(1/20/2004 5:13:29 PM)
(mstext40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 258,077)...(1/20/2004 5:13:29 PM)
(mswdat10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 831,519)...(5/11/2003 10:35:28 PM)
(mswstr10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 614,431)...(5/11/2003 10:35:28 PM)
(msxbde40.dll )...( 4.0.8025.0)...( 348,189)...(1/20/2004 5:13:29 PM)
(vbajet32.dll )...( 6.0.1.9431)...( 30,749)...(5/11/2003 10:35:32 PM)

Operating System Service Packs I pretty much always apply, after I wait for a
period of time to "let the dust settle". But this isn't the OS.

I would be grateful if someone could please enlighten me as to the correct
procedure regarding this service pack. (And other non-OS packs in general.) I
have made *mulitple* visits to both the Windows Update and Office Update
websites. Neither of which even "hinted" toward me needing to install this
Service Pack, whether mandatory or optional.

Do I? Or don't I? (And why?)

Thanks in advance,

Tom

 

[Paul Overway]

You already have SP8 installed.

If you install SP8 again, it won't overwrite any files that are newer. So,
it really doesn't matter whether you do or not....what is the question?

 

[Tcs]

"what is the question?"

Do I install it? Why do I ask? Because I'm confused.

I'm looking at three (3) machines here. Two (2) are XP, sp1, and the third is
w2k, sp4. While it *is* possible that I've been using the two Xp machines long
enough (Desktop for over a year, Laptop for 6 months) that I've forgotten what
I've applied, But the same cannot be said the the third (w2k) machine. I
installed the OS & O2k less than 2 weeks ago. And I *know* that I did *not*
apply Jet 4.0 SP8. But neither the Windows Update site, nor the Office Update
site (seeing as I'm dealing with Access 2000 here), mentioned the Jet 4.0 SP8,
either for "Express" or "Custom". On the Windows Update that goes for "High
Priority", "Software, Optional" or "Hardware, Optional".

(In searching the newsgroups before asking the question (previously), I came
across a msg from someone (MS employee perhaps?) who said that this service pack
would be moved to the Windows Update site.)

Do I install it, "Just because MS issued it."? Is the Service pack installer
"smart enough" to not replace any one individual file that may be newer than
what's in the service pack? While the dates and times of the two (2) XP
machines vary (the second xp box looks like the first, in my previous post), all
the dates and times of the newer w2k machine are "8/18/2005 1:13:nn PM". Well,
here, have a look...

Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8 - status log - 8/30/2005 8:00:47 AM
------------------------------------------------------------

For computer...(IT-DBAdmin-1w)

Files & Specs we *** WANT *** ...

(Dao360.dll )...(3.60.8025.0)...( 557,328)...()
(Expsrv.dll )...(6.0.72.9589)...( 380,957)...()
(Msexch40.dll )...( 4.0.6807.0)...( 512,272)...()
(Msexcl40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 303,376)...()
(Msjet40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...(1,507,600)...()
(Msjetoledb40.dll)...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 348,432)...()
(Msjint40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 151,824)...()
(Msjter40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 53,520)...()
(Msjtes40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 241,936)...()
(Msltus40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 213,264)...()
(Mspbde40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 356,624)...()
(Msrd2x40.dll )...( 4.0.7328.0)...( 422,160)...()
(Msrd3x40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 315,664)...()
(Msrepl40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 553,232)...()
(Mstext40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 258,320)...()
(Mswdat10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 831,760)...()
(Mswstr10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 614,672)...()
(Msxbde40.dll )...( 4.0.8025.0)...( 360,720)...()
(Vbajet32.dll )...( 6.0.1.9431)...( 30,749)...()

Files & Specs we *** HAVE *** ...

(dao360.dll )...(3.60.8618.0)...( 561,424)...(8/18/2005 1:14:17 PM)
(expsrv.dll )...(6.0.72.9589)...( 380,957)...(8/18/2005 1:13:46 PM)
(msexch40.dll )...( 4.0.6807.0)...( 512,272)...(8/18/2005 1:13:53 PM)
(msexcl40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 319,760)...(8/18/2005 1:13:53 PM)
(msjet40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...(1,507,600)...(8/18/2005 1:13:55 PM)
(msjetoledb40.dll)...( 4.0.8227.0)...( 352,528)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msjint40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 151,824)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msjter40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 53,520)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msjtes40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 241,936)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msltus40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 213,264)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(mspbde40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 348,432)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msrd2x40.dll )...( 4.0.7328.0)...( 422,160)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msrd3x40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 315,664)...(8/18/2005 1:13:57 PM)
(msrepl40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 553,232)...(8/18/2005 1:13:57 PM)
(mstext40.dll )...( 4.0.9401.0)...( 258,320)...(8/18/2005 1:13:57 PM)
(mswdat10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 831,760)...(8/18/2005 1:13:58 PM)
(mswstr10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 614,672)...(8/18/2005 1:13:58 PM)
(msxbde40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 348,432)...(8/18/2005 1:13:58 PM)
(vbajet32.dll )...( 6.0.1.9431)...( 30,749)...(8/18/2005 1:14:09 PM)

It *appears* that all the files are at least the same (on *this* machine), with
some of them being newer. And with all the dates and times within one minute of
each other, makes me think that they were applied together, perhaps as part of
some Hotfix? And/or Security Update? "Jet 4.0 SP8" was *never* mentioned
*specifically* in what I applied.

This is the kind of stuff I don't know. For the OS, I know that eventually I
need to apply a/the SP. But for Jet? From what I see above, it *appears* that
*this* machine does *not* need to have the SP applied. Right? But what about
the others?

Can I see if this service pack has been applied, by virtue of the entries in
"Add or Remove Programs"? It would seem this answer is "No".

Here's what I have in "Add or Remove Program" (Desktop PC - IT-DBAdmin)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Advancecd Networking Pack for Windows XP
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix (KBxxxxxx)
microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Premium
Microsoft Script Debugger
Security update for Windows XP (KBxxxxxx) <-- there are 11 of these
Windows Insstaller 3.1 (KBxxxxxx)
Windows Media Format Runtime
Windows Media Player 10
Windows Media Player Hotfix [See wm828026 for more information]
Windows Script V5.6 Documentation
Windows Support Tools
Windows XP Hotfix - KBxxxxxx <-- there are 42 of these
Windows XP Hotfix (SP2) Qxxxxxx <-- there are 9 of these

Look, I guess it looks like I'm trying to make a "big deal" of this. And I'm
*not*. Really. I would just like to understand it, and understand it
correctly, so I can "do the right thing".

I don't have anyone here that I can ask. I don't know of anyone I can ask. So
a group such as this is my only means of finding out.

Sorry to be so long winded here. I just want to "get it right". If such a
thing is even possible.

So should I apply it to the two XP boxes? My w2k box at home is similar to that
of the two XP boxes. Some older, some newer, etc. If I should apply it to the
two Xp boxes, I would assume I should also apply it to my home machine too...

If you could shed some light on my dilemma, I sure would be obliged.

Thanks in advance,

Tom

 

[Paul Overway]

Jet is considered an OS feature now, so, an update to Jet could've been
installed by any number of other OS rollup type updates and not as a
separate update. In any case, I'd apply it to each PC. It wouldn't
overwrite newer files anyway, and you'd know that each PC has SP8 installed.
Whether the dates or file version are different or not.

--
Paul Overway
Logico Solutions, LLC
www.logico-solutions.com

"what is the question?"

Do I install it? Why do I ask? Because I'm confused.

I'm looking at three (3) machines here. Two (2) are XP, sp1, and the
third is
w2k, sp4. While it *is* possible that I've been using the two Xp machines
long
enough (Desktop for over a year, Laptop for 6 months) that I've forgotten
what
I've applied, But the same cannot be said the the third (w2k) machine. I
installed the OS & O2k less than 2 weeks ago. And I *know* that I did
*not*
apply Jet 4.0 SP8. But neither the Windows Update site, nor the Office
Update
site (seeing as I'm dealing with Access 2000 here), mentioned the Jet 4.0
SP8,
either for "Express" or "Custom". On the Windows Update that goes for
"High
Priority", "Software, Optional" or "Hardware, Optional".

(In searching the newsgroups before asking the question (previously), I
came
across a msg from someone (MS employee perhaps?) who said that this
service pack
would be moved to the Windows Update site.)

Do I install it, "Just because MS issued it."? Is the Service pack
installer
"smart enough" to not replace any one individual file that may be newer
than
what's in the service pack? While the dates and times of the two (2) XP
machines vary (the second xp box looks like the first, in my previous
post), all
the dates and times of the newer w2k machine are "8/18/2005 1:13:nn PM".
Well,
here, have a look...

Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8 - status log - 8/30/2005 8:00:47 AM
------------------------------------------------------------

For computer...(IT-DBAdmin-1w)

Files & Specs we *** WANT *** ...

(Dao360.dll )...(3.60.8025.0)...( 557,328)...()
(Expsrv.dll )...(6.0.72.9589)...( 380,957)...()
(Msexch40.dll )...( 4.0.6807.0)...( 512,272)...()
(Msexcl40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 303,376)...()
(Msjet40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...(1,507,600)...()
(Msjetoledb40.dll)...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 348,432)...()
(Msjint40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 151,824)...()
(Msjter40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 53,520)...()
(Msjtes40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 241,936)...()
(Msltus40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 213,264)...()
(Mspbde40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 356,624)...()
(Msrd2x40.dll )...( 4.0.7328.0)...( 422,160)...()
(Msrd3x40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 315,664)...()
(Msrepl40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 553,232)...()
(Mstext40.dll )...( 4.0.8015.0)...( 258,320)...()
(Mswdat10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 831,760)...()
(Mswstr10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 614,672)...()
(Msxbde40.dll )...( 4.0.8025.0)...( 360,720)...()
(Vbajet32.dll )...( 6.0.1.9431)...( 30,749)...()

Files & Specs we *** HAVE *** ...

(dao360.dll )...(3.60.8618.0)...( 561,424)...(8/18/2005 1:14:17 PM)
(expsrv.dll )...(6.0.72.9589)...( 380,957)...(8/18/2005 1:13:46 PM)
(msexch40.dll )...( 4.0.6807.0)...( 512,272)...(8/18/2005 1:13:53 PM)
(msexcl40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 319,760)...(8/18/2005 1:13:53 PM)
(msjet40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...(1,507,600)...(8/18/2005 1:13:55 PM)
(msjetoledb40.dll)...( 4.0.8227.0)...( 352,528)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msjint40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 151,824)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msjter40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 53,520)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msjtes40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 241,936)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msltus40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 213,264)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(mspbde40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 348,432)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msrd2x40.dll )...( 4.0.7328.0)...( 422,160)...(8/18/2005 1:13:56 PM)
(msrd3x40.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 315,664)...(8/18/2005 1:13:57 PM)
(msrepl40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 553,232)...(8/18/2005 1:13:57 PM)
(mstext40.dll )...( 4.0.9401.0)...( 258,320)...(8/18/2005 1:13:57 PM)
(mswdat10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 831,760)...(8/18/2005 1:13:58 PM)
(mswstr10.dll )...( 4.0.6508.0)...( 614,672)...(8/18/2005 1:13:58 PM)
(msxbde40.dll )...( 4.0.9025.0)...( 348,432)...(8/18/2005 1:13:58 PM)
(vbajet32.dll )...( 6.0.1.9431)...( 30,749)...(8/18/2005 1:14:09 PM)

It *appears* that all the files are at least the same (on *this* machine),
with
some of them being newer. And with all the dates and times within one
minute of
each other, makes me think that they were applied together, perhaps as
part of
some Hotfix? And/or Security Update? "Jet 4.0 SP8" was *never* mentioned
*specifically* in what I applied.

This is the kind of stuff I don't know. For the OS, I know that
eventually I
need to apply a/the SP. But for Jet? From what I see above, it *appears*
that
*this* machine does *not* need to have the SP applied. Right? But what
about
the others?

Can I see if this service pack has been applied, by virtue of the entries
in
"Add or Remove Programs"? It would seem this answer is "No".

Here's what I have in "Add or Remove Program" (Desktop PC - IT-DBAdmin)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Advancecd Networking Pack for Windows XP
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1
Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix (KBxxxxxx)
microsoft Office 2000 SR-1 Premium
Microsoft Script Debugger
Security update for Windows XP (KBxxxxxx) <-- there are 11 of these
Windows Insstaller 3.1 (KBxxxxxx)
Windows Media Format Runtime
Windows Media Player 10
Windows Media Player Hotfix [See wm828026 for more information]
Windows Script V5.6 Documentation
Windows Support Tools
Windows XP Hotfix - KBxxxxxx <-- there are 42 of these
Windows XP Hotfix (SP2) Qxxxxxx <-- there are 9 of these

Look, I guess it looks like I'm trying to make a "big deal" of this. And
I'm
*not*. Really. I would just like to understand it, and understand it
correctly, so I can "do the right thing".

I don't have anyone here that I can ask. I don't know of anyone I can
ask. So
a group such as this is my only means of finding out.

Sorry to be so long winded here. I just want to "get it right". If such
a
thing is even possible.

So should I apply it to the two XP boxes? My w2k box at home is similar
to that
of the two XP boxes. Some older, some newer, etc. If I should apply it
to the
two Xp boxes, I would assume I should also apply it to my home machine
too...

If you could shed some light on my dilemma, I sure would be obliged.

Thanks in advance,

Tom

You already have SP8 installed.

If you install SP8 again, it won't overwrite any files that are newer.
So,
it really doesn't matter whether you do or not....what is the question?

 

[Tcs]

Thanks a lot. I'll go apply it now.