Is WinXP Sp3 update necessary?

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Unknown

You said 'verify to make sure it was written correctly'. Try doing that.
Draw a flow chart, think about it. Use multiple updated files. You'll soon
realize the feasibility of verifying. Remember, verify under all
configurations.
 
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BillW50

In Unknown typed on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:05:39 -0500:
You said 'verify to make sure it was written correctly'. Try doing
that. Draw a flow chart, think about it. Use multiple updated files.
You'll soon realize the feasibility of verifying. Remember, verify
under all configurations.

Not so. If it knows what files to update (which is does), it knows what
files to verify. Simple programming. I don't know where MS is getting
their programmers at, but they are not very smart. As this is all basic
and simple things to do.
 
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BillW50

In Unknown typed on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:45:03 -0500:
Just try it, or better yet, offer that as a suggestion to Microsoft.

Microsoft doesn't listen to common sense. They are too arrogant for
that.
 
U

Unknown

Why put up with that? Get yourself an Apple.
BillW50 said:
In Unknown typed on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:45:03 -0500:

Microsoft doesn't listen to common sense. They are too arrogant for that.
 
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BillW50

In Unknown typed on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:06:12 -0500:
Why put up with that? Get yourself an Apple.

Apple is far worse being so snobbish! Apple doesn't even believe
netbooks are selling like hotcakes and are just a fad that soon will
die. So they don't believe they should create one. Yet, it has saved the
PC industry from failure. I heard nine out of ten computers sold on
Amazon are netbooks.
 
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Roy

No.

In fact it doesn't matter at all what is on this drive. You can even use
a brand new one if you wish! Restoring the image file recreates the
complete structure (everything: OS, programs, data, all the directories
where they belong) of your hard drive the exact way it was when you made
the image.

Well I did try to instal once again the acronis but unfortunately
the windows installer got corrupted ( see my related post about
Repairing Windows Installer). Anyway when that installer is fixed I
will try once again to check the usefulness of the TIB FILES
BTW, it seems the prefetch data seems to have sorted by itself and
the boot up process seems to have returned to normal except for still
the prolonged appearance of the windows boot up icon during start up.
But thd drag and drop option is stilll non functional...
Hope the restore of Acronis image willl fix up this bugs.....
Roy
 
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Daave

Roy said:
Well I did try to instal once again the acronis but unfortunately
the windows installer got corrupted ( see my related post about
Repairing Windows Installer). Anyway when that installer is fixed I
will try once again to check the usefulness of the TIB FILES
BTW, it seems the prefetch data seems to have sorted by itself and
the boot up process seems to have returned to normal except for still
the prolonged appearance of the windows boot up icon during start up.
But thd drag and drop option is stilll non functional...
Hope the restore of Acronis image willl fix up this bugs.....

Your posts seem to indicate that the somewhat botched attempt to install
SP3 created problems you still haven't recovered from. Bottom line:
Assuming you didn't have any of these problems when you imaged your hard
drive, the "bugs" will have all disappeared after you restore the image.

As I said in another post, if you plan on keeping this PC longer than a
year, you really should use a much larger hard drive (they're fairly
cheap these days) and *then* upgrade to SP3.
 
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Roy

Your posts seem to indicate that the somewhat botched attempt to install
SP3 created problems you still haven't recovered from. Bottom line:
Assuming you didn't have any of these problems when you imaged your hard
drive, the "bugs" will have all disappeared after you restore the image.

The problem is unless the windows installer bug is fixed I can't
install anysoftware in my pc.
I have tried to fix it as shown in another post but failed..
As I said in another post, if you plan on keeping this PC longer than a
year, you really should use a much larger hard drive (they're fairly
cheap these days) and *then* upgrade to SP3.- Hide quoted text -
Well I planned to..... as its working well before except now for
occurence of bugs like this
1)The windows installer is non functional anymore and I think beyond
repair.
2) The drag and drop option is lost
3) There is a surprising amount of windows update downloads that I
cant understand thatnever happened before that botched sp3
installation attemp
4) The appearance of this notice' cannot find the file system of drive
XXXXXXX... windows has finished checking the disk which is annooying
as the prolonged appearance of the WinXP boot up icon.

Besides , if the free drive space is still in the vicinity of 4 gigs
and I seldom use my c drive for file storage it will never bloat. This
free space had been with this pc for nearly 2 years now and it was
trouble free...
If as you suggested (IIRC)you can boot up the PC using heAcronis TIB
file thereby refreshing the C drive with previous stable
configuration
I have fixed the generic host win32 error.... hope this does not
appear again some other time.
 
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Daave

Roy said:
The problem is unless the windows installer bug is fixed I can't
install anysoftware in my pc.
I have tried to fix it as shown in another post but failed..

You keep on talking about your problems with Windows Installer. I was
under the impression that these problems started *after* you made your
image of the hard drive. Is that correct? If it is, just restore the
image and you won't have any problems with Windows Installer. You do not
have to install Acronis again to restore the image. Just boot off the
Acronis CD. Once the image is restored, you will no longer have any of
these problems!
Well I planned to..... as its working well before except now for
occurence of bugs like this
1)The windows installer is non functional anymore and I think beyond
repair.
2) The drag and drop option is lost
3) There is a surprising amount of windows update downloads that I
cant understand thatnever happened before that botched sp3
installation attemp
4) The appearance of this notice' cannot find the file system of drive
XXXXXXX... windows has finished checking the disk which is annooying
as the prolonged appearance of the WinXP boot up icon.

Besides , if the free drive space is still in the vicinity of 4 gigs
and I seldom use my c drive for file storage it will never bloat. This
free space had been with this pc for nearly 2 years now and it was
trouble free...
If as you suggested (IIRC)you can boot up the PC using heAcronis TIB
file thereby refreshing the C drive with previous stable
configuration
I have fixed the generic host win32 error.... hope this does not
appear again some other time.

Not quite. You have to configure the BIOS so that the PC boots off the
CD-ROM drive instead of the hard drive. Your Acronis emergency boot CD
goes in the CD tray, of course. The external hard drive is connected to
the PC. You run Acronis. You navigate to the .tib file (the image
archive you stored on the external hard drive. You choose to restore the
entire disk. You make sure that both boxes are checked -- NTFS (C:) and
MBR and Track 0 (at least that is how it is done with ATI Home 9). Then
select your destination (the hard drive on your PC). The process
shouldn't take more than 45 minutes.
 
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Roy

You keep on talking about your problems with Windows Installer. I was
under the impression that these problems started *after* you made your
image of the hard drive. Is that correct? If it is, just restore the
image and you won't have any problems with Windows Installer. You do not
have to install Acronis again to restore the image. Just boot off the
Acronis CD. Once the image is restored, you will no longer have any of
these problems!








Not quite. You have to configure the BIOS so that the PC boots off the
CD-ROM drive instead of the hard drive. Your Acronis emergency boot CD
goes in the CD tray, of course. The external hard drive is connected to
the PC. You run Acronis. You navigate to the .tib file (the image
archive you stored on the external hard drive. You choose to restore the
entire disk. You make sure that both boxes are checked -- NTFS (C:) and
MBR and Track 0 (at least that is how it is done with ATI Home 9). Then
select your destination (the hard drive on your PC). The process
shouldn't take more than 45 minutes.- Hide quoted text -

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Hmm thats interesting..thanks!
So you mean even if there is no acronis ware in the PC it can still
be useful...I was trying initially to restore it via the external hard
drive where it was located...
Burning to DVD/CDs?.....
..I was reluctant to do that as when I opened up the file which I save
on that hard drive, the TIB file was nearly 15 gigs, meaning I might
have to burn it on 4 DVDs or a score of CDs?
Are there any complications burning that huge file on multiple DVDs/
CD and is there a particular way of doing such or just burn it as an
Iso file...?

I was thinking to make it easier if its possible just to boot it from
the External hard drive which was also NTFS?
 
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Daave

Roy said:
Hmm thats interesting..thanks!
So you mean even if there is no acronis ware in the PC it can still
be useful...I was trying initially to restore it via the external hard
drive where it was located...

That would only work if you had Windows installed on that drive *and* if
that drive was a bootable eSATA drive, configured in your BIOS to be the
first to boot. I'm guessing that's probably not the case.
Burning to DVD/CDs?.....

Not my first choice, but you can save files to any media. I definitely
prefer an external hard drive.
.I was reluctant to do that as when I opened up the file which I save
on that hard drive, the TIB file was nearly 15 gigs, meaning I might
have to burn it on 4 DVDs or a score of CDs?

Correct. That's why I don't recommend it!
Are there any complications burning that huge file on multiple DVDs/
CD and is there a particular way of doing such or just burn it as an
Iso file...?

There shouldn't be any complications. Instead of a giant image archive
file, you will have multiple files that can combine to reformulate that
one file. The software knows how to handle it, provided *all* the files
are present and accounted for. For instance, if you wound up burning the
archive to four DVDs, Acronis would ask you to switch disks at the
appropriate time. Once you use it a few times, you will find that this
is a very user-friendly program! Still, it's much easier to save one
giant image archive file to an external hard drive.
I was thinking to make it easier if its possible just to boot it from
the External hard drive which was also NTFS?

Again:

That would only work if you had Windows installed on that drive *and* if
that drive was a bootable eSATA drive, configured in your BIOS to be the
first to boot. I'm guessing that's probably not the case.

If you're afraid you didn't make the image correctly or if, for some
reason, something might go wrong, I suggest you copy all the data from
your hard drive, if you haven't done so. Include all your e-mails,
address book, and IE favorites. This way, you'll be covered. And IIRC,
in another post, you mentioned you had backed up everything and saved
the System State (maybe I'm just concluding that you used the Windows
ntbackup program, which involves a floppy disk BTW). If you did, that's
another way to restore your system to how it was. But someone else will
need to chime in as I am not experienced with that technique.

You really should just bite the bullet and restore that Acronis image!
This excerpt of a post from Anna should help:

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...q=windowsxp+acronis+restore+image+author:anna

[Daave's Note: Roy, your version of ATI Home might be different, but the
method surely is very similar.]

Recovery Process (Disk images): We'll assume the recovery will be to
either
a non-defective HDD that has become unbootable for one reason or
another, or
to a new HDD. The HDD to be restored need not be partitioned/formatted
since
the recovery process will take care of that function.

Note that in many, if not most cases you will be using the Acronis
"Bootable
Rescue Media" (CD) that you might have created when you originally
installed
the Acronis program. You'll need that bootable CD in the event you
cannot
access the ATI Home program because of a defective source HDD or
otherwise
unbootable system.

If you didn't previously create that bootable CD, you can create it now
from
the Acronis program (assuming you can access the program at this time)
by
clicking on the "Create Bootable Rescue Media" item on the "Tools" menu
that
appears on the opening Acronis screen and then simply going through the
screens to create a bootable CD.

The Acronis True Image program installation CD is also bootable.

Note: If the recovery will be made to a HDD that is still bootable and
you're able to access the Acronis program on that drive, then you can
undertake the recovery process without the need for using the "bootable
rescue" CD.

[Daave's Note: Roy, I assume that the above paragraph doesn't pertain to
your situation.]

1. The only drives (storage devices) that should be connected during
this
recovery process are the drive to be restored and the drive containing
the
backup disk images (archives). Boot to the "bootable rescue" CD (if
necessary) to access the program.

2. At the opening screen, click on "Acronis True Image Home (Full
Version)".

3. The program will open after some moments. On the "Backup and Restore"
screen that opens, click on "Restore".

4. The "Welcome to the Restore Data Wizard!" screen opens. Click on
Next.

5. The "Backup Archive Selection" screen opens. Navigate to the drive
and
folder containing the backup archive file(s). If no incremental backup
files
have been created following creation of the original full backup file
(archive), select that file (archive). If one or more incremental backup
files (archives) are listed, then click on the last incremental backup
file
(archive) - assuming you want to restore the system as of the latest
backup.
Recall that the backup file name(s) will end with the .tib file
extension.
Ensure that the correct drive & file are reflected in the "File name:"
text
box. Click Next.

(Note that if you want to restore the system as of a particular date
*prior*
to the date the last incremental file (archive) was created, select the
appropriate incremental file (archive) from the list.)

6. The "Backup Date Selection" screen opens. Select (highlight) the
appropriate incremental backup file (archive) from the listing. This
will
usually be the latest incremental file (archive) that was created, but
if
you desire to restore a "generational" copy of your system as of a
different
date, then select the appropriate incremental file (archive).

Note this screen will reflect the date the archive was created and any
comments you may have inserted in "Archive Comments" when you previously
created the backup file (archive). Click Next.

7. The "Restoration Type Selection" screen opens. Select the default
option,
"Restore disks or partitions" and click Next.

8. The "Partition or Disk to Restore" screen will open. Click on the
"Disk
1" box and click Next.

9. After some moments the "Restored Hard Disk Drive Location" screen
opens.
Select (highlight) the HDD to be restored, presumably "Disk 2", and
click
Next.

10. The "Non-empty Destination Hard Disk Drive" screen opens. Select the
"Yes" option indicating that all partitions on the destination HDD will
be
deleted. Understand that any data on that drive will be lost. Click
Next.

11. On the next screen select the "No" option (if applicable) indicating
you
do not want to restore another partition. Click Next.

12. Navigate through the "Choose Restore Options" screen.

13. The final screen before the restoration operation begins will open.
Confirm that the information as shown is correct. Click Proceed.

14. Click OK when following completion of the recovery operation a
message
appears indicating a successful recovery operation.

15. Remove the Acronis bootable rescue CD if it has been used in the
restoration process and close the Acronis program. The system will
reboot. A
Windows "Found New Hardware" message followed by the "System Settings
Change" message box may appear on the Desktop. If they do, click Yes for
a
reboot.
 
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Roy

I am planning to really instal the image but as you said I have to
have windows instal in my external hard drive?
Would you please elaborate?

Without acronis...how can these TIB file work...
I am asking this as whenever I check the TIB file properties the
program that can open it is unknown, meaning that is useless to use
for recovery as there is no software to run it

This is my current concern how to make this TIB files work without the
acronis...
 
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Daave

Roy said:
I am planning to really instal the image but as you said I have to
have windows instal in my external hard drive?

No, no, no. You do NOT have to have Windows installed on *any* drive!
Would you please elaborate?

What I said was that if your external hard drive was a bootable eSATA
drive and if you configured your BIOS to boot off of it and if Windows
was installed on it and if Acronis was installed on it, then you
wouldn't need to boot off the Acronis CD. I'm assuming that's not the
case! So, just configure your BIOS to boot off the CD.
Without acronis...how can these TIB file work...

If you boot off the Acronis CD, you *are* running Acronis!
I am asking this as whenever I check the TIB file properties the
program that can open it is unknown, meaning that is useless to use
for recovery as there is no software to run it

Don't check the properties. Just follow Anna's instructions.
This is my current concern how to make this TIB files work without the
acronis...

I've explained this several times. I'm afraid this is the best I can do,
Roy. If I'm not clear enough, I'm sorry about that.

You *do* have a bootable Acronis CD, don't you? If you purchased the
boxed version, the installation CD also serves as the bootable rescue
CD.
 
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Roy

No, no, no. You do NOT have to have Windows installed on *any* drive!


What I said was that if your external hard drive was a bootable eSATA
drive and if you configured your BIOS to boot off of it and if Windows
was installed on it and if Acronis was installed on it, then you
wouldn't need to boot off the Acronis CD. I'm assuming that's not the
case! So, just configure your BIOS to boot off the CD.
Well as I have never used an external hard drive for such purpose ,
If you boot off the Acronis CD, you *are* running Acronis!


Don't check the properties. Just follow Anna's instructions.


I've explained this several times. I'm afraid this is the best I can do,


You *do* have a bootable Acronis CD, don't you? If you purchased the
boxed version, the installation CD also serves as the bootable rescue
CD.

Nope, I got mine by download so I don't have the CD. Would burning
that on a disk would do the same job? Its lead to this question.
How would that act if the its not even installed and the windows
installer is not working anymore
Roy. If I'm not clear enough, I'm sorry about that.

Why I kept insisting about the reluctance of opening a certain file
extension is because there is no tool to read or even drive such
thing.. then its useless and thats what I know by experience..
If it can't even be recognized by any available software in that pc
then how can it useful in the practical sense......?
 
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Daave

Well as I have never used an external hard drive for such purpose ,

That is why I said, "I'm assuming that's not the case."

Therefore, boot off the CD.
Nope, I got mine by download so I don't have the CD. Would burning
that on a disk would do the same job? Its lead to this question.
How would that act if the its not even installed and the windows
installer is not working anymore

You need the CD!!!!! Here's the relevant information from Anna's post
once more:
Note that in many, if not most cases you will be using the Acronis
"Bootable Rescue Media" (CD) that you might have created when
you originally installed the Acronis program. You'll need that
bootable
CD in the event you cannot access the ATI Home program because
of a defective source HDD or otherwise unbootable system.

If you didn't previously create that bootable CD, you can create it
now from the Acronis program (assuming you can access the
program at this time) by clicking on the "Create Bootable Rescue
Media" item on the "Tools" menu that appears on the opening
Acronis screen and then simply going through the screens to create
a bootable CD.

The Acronis True Image program installation CD is also bootable.

Since you never had the retail version of the installation CD, you
should have created your own boot up disk right after you installed
Acronis to your PC. Now in order to do this, you need to install Acronis
(to *any* PC -- it doesn't matter which one). Then run it and click on
the "Create Bootable Rescue Media" item Anna referred to. You need this
CD -- if not now, eventually you will need it.

The reason I had suggested booting off the CD (which I now know doesn't
exist; I wish you would have mentioned this much earlier!) was I seem to
recall you were having issues with Acronis on your PC as it is now. Do
you think you can reinstall Acronis on your PC? If not, is there another
PC you can install it to? What you need to do is create the rescue CD.

Actually if you are able to install it successfully on your PC, that may
be all you need (for now). That is, while a resuce CD is great to have,
you may not need it this time around. You would simply boot up your PC
as you normally do and then run Acronis. Select the image archive you
want to restore and then select the destination hard drive and let it do
its thing. But, Roy, even if you are able to install it on your PC
successfully (actually, *reinstall* it), you really should still create
that resuce CD!
Why I kept insisting about the reluctance of opening a certain file
extension is because there is no tool to read or even drive such
thing.. then its useless and thats what I know by experience..
If it can't even be recognized by any available software in that pc
then how can it useful in the practical sense......?

If Acronis isn't there (either as an installed program on your PC or as
a standalone program on the rescue CD), then of course Windows won't
know what to do with this file! If you have the CD, there's nothing to
worry about. If you are able to reinstall Acronis successfully, there's
nothing to worry about. The same exact thing would happen if you had a
PDF file on your PC but no PDF reader to open it. It wouldn't be
recognized! As soon as you install Adobe Reader or Foxit Reader (or some
other PDF reading program), that situation would be resolved.

So, are you able to install Acronis (to any PC)?
 
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Roy

That is why I said, "I'm assuming that's not the case."

Therefore, boot off the CD.







You need the CD!!!!! Here's the relevant information from Anna's post
once more:




Since you never had the retail version of the installation CD, you
should have created your own boot up disk right after you installed
Acronis to your PC. Now in order to do this, you need to install Acronis
(to *any* PC -- it doesn't matter which one). Then run it and click on
the "Create Bootable Rescue Media" item Anna referred to. You need this
CD -- if not now, eventually you will need it.

The reason I had suggested booting off the CD (which I now know doesn't
exist; I wish you would have mentioned this much earlier!) was I seem to
recall you were having issues with Acronis on your PC as it is now. Do
you think you can reinstall Acronis on your PC? If not, is there another
PC you can install it to? What you need to do is create the rescue CD.

Actually if you are able to install it successfully on your PC, that may
be all you need (for now). That is, while a resuce CD is great to have,
you may not need it this time around. You would simply boot up your PC
as you normally do and then run Acronis. Select the image archive you
want to restore and then select the destination hard drive and let it do
its thing. But, Roy, even if you are able to install it on your PC
successfully (actually, *reinstall* it), you really should still create
that resuce CD!



If Acronis isn't there (either as an installed program on your PC or as
a standalone program on the rescue CD), then of course Windows won't
know what to do with this file! If you have the CD, there's nothing to
worry about. If you are able to reinstall Acronis successfully, there's
nothing to worry about. The same exact thing would happen if you had a
PDF file on your PC but no PDF reader to open it. It wouldn't be
recognized! As soon as you install Adobe Reader or Foxit Reader (or some
other PDF reading program), that situation would be resolved.

So, are you able to install Acronis (to any PC)?- Hide quoted text -

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Hmm thanks for that info!
I recently installed the Acronis on another PC running WinxpHome..?
Would that matter?
I save it as an iso file and then will burn it later as CD.
BTW,
How about if I copied the acronis bootable rescue Iso file in the
NTFS formatted external hard drive where the TIB files of my
PC was located,,Would that work?
Regards
 
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Daave

Roy said:
Hmm thanks for that info!
I recently installed the Acronis on another PC running WinxpHome..?
Would that matter?

That was my point. Install it on *any* PC. Then create your rescue CD.
I save it as an iso file and then will burn it later as CD.

Since I have the installation CD, which is also a bootable rescue disk,
I never had any need to create a resuce CD. But creating an .iso file
sounds like it would be part of the process. Once you have this rescue
CD, you can use it on *any* PC.
BTW,
How about if I copied the acronis bootable rescue Iso file in the
NTFS formatted external hard drive where the TIB files of my
PC was located,,Would that work?

I don't know what that means. Are you saying you want to copy your .iso
file *to* that particular external hard drive? I guess that would make
sense if you intend to have another copy of the .iso file for safe
keeping. That .iso file can exist anywhere. What you want to do is
create a CD from it. Any good CD burning program has this function
(i.e., create CD from .iso) -- Nero, Roxio, CDBurnerXP, ImgBurn, etc.

It sounds like you have another PC that is running XP Home. It sounds
like you have successfully installed Acronis on it. It sounds like you
have created the necessary .iso file. Just make sure that this PC has a
good CD burning program (if not, you will need to install one) and
create your bootable rescue CD.
 
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Roy

That was my point. Install it on *any* PC. Then create your rescue CD.


Since I have the installation CD, which is also a bootable rescue disk,
I never had any need to create a resuce CD. But creating an .iso file
sounds like it would be part of the process. Once you have this rescue
CD, you can use it on *any* PC.


I don't know what that means. Are you saying you want to copy your .iso
file *to* that particular external hard drive? I guess that would make
sense if you intend to have another copy of the .iso file for safe
keeping. That .iso file can exist anywhere. What you want to do is
create a CD from it. Any good CD burning program has this function
(i.e., create CD from .iso) -- Nero, Roxio, CDBurnerXP, ImgBurn, etc.

It sounds like you have another PC that is running XP Home. It sounds
like you have successfully installed Acronis on it. It sounds like you
have created the necessary .iso file. Just make sure that this PC has a
good CD burning program (if not, you will need to install one) and
create your bootable rescue CD.- Hide quoted text -

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Well I have indeed created a rescue CD using Ultraiso on another PC.I
tried to run this on this defective PC where I want to recover the C
drive but seems to be not working ?
BTW, the rescue CD is just about 58 megs , is this alright?
 
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Daave

Roy said:
Well I have indeed created a rescue CD using Ultraiso on another PC.I
tried to run this on this defective PC where I want to recover the C
drive but seems to be not working ?
BTW, the rescue CD is just about 58 megs , is this alright?

You must have done it wrong; 58MB is entirely too small!

What CD burning program are you using?

Do you know how to boot off a CD-ROM drive?

What is the make and model of the problematic PC?
 

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