Installing a double floppy drive

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schipper

I have a double floppy drive (a unit that has both a 3.5 and 5.25 drive
in one physical unit, with just one connector on the back. I want to
install it in a desktop that is running Win XP Professional.

When I connect the ribbon cable, and the power cable, and boot up my
machine to the BIOS, then try to activate the 5.25" drive as the B
drive, I find I cannot. My BIOS underAdvanced/Diskette Configuration
shows ONLY Drive A: There isn't even a drive B: option to activate.

Any suggestions?

Bill Schipper
(e-mail address removed)
 
N

Noozer

schipper said:
I have a double floppy drive (a unit that has both a 3.5 and 5.25 drive
in one physical unit, with just one connector on the back. I want to
install it in a desktop that is running Win XP Professional.

When I connect the ribbon cable, and the power cable, and boot up my
machine to the BIOS, then try to activate the 5.25" drive as the B
drive, I find I cannot. My BIOS underAdvanced/Diskette Configuration
shows ONLY Drive A: There isn't even a drive B: option to activate.

Any suggestions?

It's not likely, but perhaps your PC only supports a single floppy drive?

The only other thing I can think of is that your floppy cable is missing the
twist, and the drive needs it, or vise versa.
 
M

meow2222

schipper said:
I have a double floppy drive (a unit that has both a 3.5 and 5.25 drive
in one physical unit, with just one connector on the back. I want to
install it in a desktop that is running Win XP Professional.

When I connect the ribbon cable, and the power cable, and boot up my
machine to the BIOS, then try to activate the 5.25" drive as the B
drive, I find I cannot. My BIOS underAdvanced/Diskette Configuration
shows ONLY Drive A: There isn't even a drive B: option to activate.

Any suggestions?

Bill Schipper


sounds like you need to upgrade to a 286.


NT
 
J

John McGaw

schipper said:
I have a double floppy drive (a unit that has both a 3.5 and 5.25 drive
in one physical unit, with just one connector on the back. I want to
install it in a desktop that is running Win XP Professional.

When I connect the ribbon cable, and the power cable, and boot up my
machine to the BIOS, then try to activate the 5.25" drive as the B
drive, I find I cannot. My BIOS underAdvanced/Diskette Configuration
shows ONLY Drive A: There isn't even a drive B: option to activate.

Any suggestions?

Bill Schipper
(e-mail address removed)

IIRC these drives, at least the ones I used, have jumpers which
determine how the drive's halves are addressed. You can probably find
the jumper setup via a Google search for the manufacturer's model
number. A wild guess would be that it is made my Mitsumi.
 
D

DaveW

Windows XP and your motherboard's BIOS only support ONE floppy drive. Dual
floppy drive support has been discontinued for MANY years.
 
P

philo

DaveW said:
Windows XP and your motherboard's BIOS only support ONE floppy drive. Dual
floppy drive support has been discontinued for MANY years.



That's utter rubbish...
I am using a dual floppy on my XP machine and it works fine...

However...if there is no bios support...you are out of luck...
but most motherboards still support two floppies
 
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paulmd

schipper said:
I have a double floppy drive (a unit that has both a 3.5 and 5.25 drive
in one physical unit, with just one connector on the back. I want to
install it in a desktop that is running Win XP Professional.

When I connect the ribbon cable, and the power cable, and boot up my
machine to the BIOS, then try to activate the 5.25" drive as the B
drive, I find I cannot. My BIOS underAdvanced/Diskette Configuration
shows ONLY Drive A: There isn't even a drive B: option to activate.

Any suggestions?

Bill Schipper
(e-mail address removed)

Is there some reason you need a 5.25" floppy? Recovering data, perhaps?

Does the drive do its thing properly under Windows? These things were
mostly made after 5.25" floppies had almost disappeared.
 
S

schipper

I suppose I could say that I want to be able to read 5.25" floppies for
the same reason I play music on open reel tape decks.

The real reason is as you surmise: I have a large collection of such
floppies, and from time to time I need to access what is on them. And
I don't want to spend several weekends copying all those files to CD or
DVD. I also have several older programs (remember WordStar 4.0, for
example?) that were issued only on 5.25 inch floppies. I want to run
that particular program because many of the files are in WS format.
Plus I am using the program as part of a public presentation that
includes a section on the history of electronic word processing.
Other software includes MS Word 2.0, 5.0, and 5.5, and WordPerfect 3.1,
4.2, and 5.1.

Besides all that I am a strong believer in backwards compatibility for
all things. My sons would say I'm dinosaur for that reason, but I
really see no reason why a BIOS on one machine should not recognize
more than one floppy drive, while the BIOS on another would. It's a
matter of a few lines of code, after all.

Bill
 
S

Spajky

I have a double floppy drive (a unit that has both a 3.5 and 5.25 drive
in one physical unit, with just one connector on the back. I want to
install it in a desktop that is running Win XP Professional.
Any suggestions?

For OS, you will need also w9x (as a double boot probably), since wXP
reads & writes ONLY 720kB & 1,44Mb floppies !
 
M

meow2222

Spajky said:
For OS, you will need also w9x (as a double boot probably), since wXP
reads & writes ONLY 720kB & 1,44Mb floppies !

I thought winnt read 1.6M as well.

NT
 
R

Rod Speed

schipper said:
I suppose I could say that I want to be able to read 5.25" floppies
for the same reason I play music on open reel tape decks.
The real reason is as you surmise: I have a large collection of such
floppies, and from time to time I need to access what is on them. And
I don't want to spend several weekends copying all those files to CD
or DVD. I also have several older programs (remember WordStar 4.0,
for example?) that were issued only on 5.25 inch floppies. I want to
run that particular program because many of the files are in WS
format. Plus I am using the program as part of a public presentation
that includes a section on the history of electronic word processing.
Other software includes MS Word 2.0, 5.0, and 5.5, and WordPerfect
3.1, 4.2, and 5.1.
Besides all that I am a strong believer in backwards compatibility for
all things. My sons would say I'm dinosaur for that reason, but I
really see no reason why a BIOS on one machine should not recognize
more than one floppy drive, while the BIOS on another would. It's a
matter of a few lines of code, after all.

Its more complicated than that, some chipsets
dont support more than one floppy drive now.
 
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philo

Besides all that I am a strong believer in backwards compatibility for
all things. My sons would say I'm dinosaur for that reason, but I
really see no reason why a BIOS on one machine should not recognize
more than one floppy drive, while the BIOS on another would. It's a
matter of a few lines of code, after all.

Bill


the bottom line is that if the bios does not support the 2nd floppy...
you are out of luck...

however you *might* be able to purchase a USB floppy and remove the 3.5"
drive and connect a 5.25" drive to it...

don't know if it would work though...


what I'd do is just put a machine with 5.25" capabiities on-line and
network it
to your other machine(s)
 
K

kony

That's utter rubbish...
I am using a dual floppy on my XP machine and it works fine...

However...if there is no bios support...you are out of luck...
but most motherboards still support two floppies


Yep, most of what DaveW writes is complete nonsense.
 
K

kony

I suppose I could say that I want to be able to read 5.25" floppies for
the same reason I play music on open reel tape decks.

The real reason is as you surmise: I have a large collection of such
floppies, and from time to time I need to access what is on them. And
I don't want to spend several weekends copying all those files to CD or
DVD.

I disagree, you do not need access to them or else you would
have transferred them over to a more reliable medium years
ago.

So decide, do you want to throw them away or copy them off?

I also have several older programs (remember WordStar 4.0, for
example?) that were issued only on 5.25 inch floppies. I want to run
that particular program because many of the files are in WS format.

So copy them off, they don't need be on 5.25" floppy.

Plus I am using the program as part of a public presentation that
includes a section on the history of electronic word processing.
Other software includes MS Word 2.0, 5.0, and 5.5, and WordPerfect 3.1,
4.2, and 5.1.

This is all irrelevant. Typically when one needs to archive
such things, they will either make disc images (such as with
WinImage) and store those so they can later re-create the
original discs (in cases where the installer isn't so easily
tricked into thinking it is being fed incrementally numbered
floppies) or it's something simplier, that you merely need a
certain file like a "disk.id(n)" file or something like that
(it's been awhile since I had to fool with these things) to
let the installer know the correct volume is present.



Besides all that I am a strong believer in backwards compatibility for
all things. My sons would say I'm dinosaur for that reason, but I
really see no reason why a BIOS on one machine should not recognize
more than one floppy drive, while the BIOS on another would. It's a
matter of a few lines of code, after all.

New features get added, old ones removed. It's always just
a few lines of code or a tiny bit of silicon, but in the end
it is only a fixed amount of resources (whether it be code
to fit a PROM or hardware circuits) that are cost effective
- by being what most customers demand, and most don't use
two floppies anymore.

Look on your drive for jumpers to set the drive so the 5.25"
is considered drive A. Use that configuration to copy off
all data on the floppies, then store them wherever you want
it- though if you are going to put it on 3.5", I suggest not
using that ancient drive to do it because its alignment may
have drifted over time and the resultant floppies may not be
as compatible with any randomly chosen 3.5" drive. Thus I
feel it best to make the disc images or file copies and then
individually recreate the floppies if/when necessary.
 
S

Spajky

I tried, to read otherwise formatted floppyes; wXP does
not sees it & wants to format it ! does not read also own MS 1,66
format setup floppyes too; maybe there is out a hack to make it work,
I do not know!
 
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Rod Speed

I tried, to read otherwise formatted floppyes;
wXP does not sees it & wants to format it !

Then you ****ed up.
does not read also own MS 1,66 format setup floppyes too;
maybe there is out a hack to make it work, I do not know!

You dont need to do that with 5.25" drives.
 
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meow2222

kony said:
I disagree, you do not need access to them or else you would
have transferred them over to a more reliable medium years
ago.

I'd just add that I doubt 20 year old floppies are a safe storage
medium. If I had some with data I wanted to keep I'd have backed the
data up, hopefully to more reliable media.


NT
 

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