Images appear and then vanish

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Terry Pinnell

I had some good help on this elsewhere a few weeks ago, but never
really solved the problem. In brief, some of the images in certain PP
2000 files are visible on first loading the file, but then become
invisible if you change slides and return. I get identical results on
two separate Win XP Home PCs (mine and my wife's). The only practical
approach was to delete the errant images, re paste them from the
original source, and save under a new name. But there are *many* of
these old files displaying the same problem, so that approach
(virtually starting again) is hardly satisfactory.

I'm not optimistic of a solution, but I'd still like to satisfy my
curiosity as to *how* this can have happened.

The images in the file are typically grouped in pairs, and so far it
has always been just one of these two that has the 'invisibility'
trait. These culprits were all copy/pasted using the clipboard, from
an old version of Corel Print House, a year ago. Effectively, this was
my wife's way of getting Print House clip art into her PP
presentations (she's a teacher). Ungrouping the pair doesn't result in
any improvement. FWIW, looking at the properties of the culprit, under
the Size tab I see these checked:
- Lock aspect ratio
- Relative to original picture size

In contrast, the permanent images have this checked (but greyed):
- Best scale for slide show

My main questions are:

How can an image 'vanish' from the screen like this? Surely, it's
either present in the file, or it's not? If somehow a 'link' to the
Corel clip had been created, and that target was no longer available
(because the original was on CD for instance), why would it not be
invisible at once, instead of briefly making an appearance?

And if pasting today from Print House results in 'good' files (with
all pasted images being permanently visible), what can have happened
since the file's creation a year ago to render it corrupted in this
way?
 
U

Ute Simon

Are you currently still using PP 2000? Or are these files which were
created in the old version and shall be opened in the new version 2003? If
the latter, make sure that you install Service Pack 2 for Office 2003, that
should cure the problem

Best regards,
Ute
 
T

Terry Pinnell

Ute Simon said:
Are you currently still using PP 2000? Or are these files which were
created in the old version and shall be opened in the new version 2003? If
the latter, make sure that you install Service Pack 2 for Office 2003, that
should cure the problem

Thanks. Yes, we are both using PP 2000 on our respective PCs. Mine is
still SP1, my wife's is SP2.

I've just learned that she ran one of these files successfully on her
laptop at school, with all images stable. But I'm not yet sure what
version of PP that is; I'll report back.

I've just tried an emailed copy of that file here on my PC, but it
failed exactly as before.
 
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Echo S

When the images don't appear, do you get a red X in their place?

How big is the problem file -- file size, that is? How big (file size) are
the images?

I don't like copy/pasting images into PPT. I much prefer Insert|Picture|From
File. Try doing that and see if it resolves the problem?
 
T

Terry Pinnell

Echo S said:
When the images don't appear, do you get a red X in their place?

No, as I said, they are invisible, unlike the other image in the
grouped pair.
How big is the problem file -- file size, that is?

Varies. Typically 100 KB to 500 KB, obviously depending on how many
slides!
How big (file size) are the images?

Hard to say. These are pasted from displayed Print House clip art,
fairly small, using some proprietorial vector format I assume.
I don't like copy/pasting images into PPT. I much prefer Insert|Picture|From
File. Try doing that and see if it resolves the problem?

Not possible, for reasons already described.
 
S

Steve Rindsberg

Hard to say. These are pasted from displayed Print House clip art,
fairly small, using some proprietorial vector format I assume.

In addition to Echo's suggestions, this might be a line to follow also.

After copy/pasting one of these, select it and see if you can ungroup it
(several times if need be) and get at the individual shapes that make up the
graphic. If so, it's vector and has now been converted to MS Drawing shapes,
which should behave better. You can select and group the shapes so that they
stay together.

If it only ungroups once and leaves you with a bitmap, that may still help
things. Try saving and reopening to see if you have the same problem.
Not possible, for reasons already described.

Another approach: copy from the source program then switch to PPT and choose
Edit, Paste Special. Choose EMF, WMF or PNG (try it all three ways, see what
works best). This may also solve the problem.
 
T

Terry Pinnell

Steve Rindsberg said:
In addition to Echo's suggestions, this might be a line to follow also.

After copy/pasting one of these, select it and see if you can ungroup it
(several times if need be) and get at the individual shapes that make up the
graphic. If so, it's vector and has now been converted to MS Drawing shapes,
which should behave better. You can select and group the shapes so that they
stay together.

If it only ungroups once and leaves you with a bitmap, that may still help
things. Try saving and reopening to see if you have the same problem.


Another approach: copy from the source program then switch to PPT and choose
Edit, Paste Special. Choose EMF, WMF or PNG (try it all three ways, see what
works best). This may also solve the problem.

Thanks both, appreciate the follow-ups.

Steve: As mentioned in my OP, ungrouping didn't help. I've now
uninstalled Print House, but will try that last suggestion on my
wife's PC. BTW, I asked her what version of PP her school-based laptop
had installed, and got the answer 'Version 5'. Does that make sense?
(The files perform correctly on the laptop.)
 
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Echo S

Terry Pinnell said:
wife's PC. BTW, I asked her what version of PP her school-based laptop
had installed, and got the answer 'Version 5'. Does that make sense?
(The files perform correctly on the laptop.)

No.

Ask her to go to Help|About and look to see what version is actually
installed. If the files work fine there, though, it doesn't really matter.

If you're using PPT 2003 on any of these machines, by any chance, you should
go to Help|Check for Updates and install the latest service pack. That
usually clears up these "missing pix" issues.
 
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Echo S

Terry Pinnell said:
Thanks both, appreciate the follow-ups.

So did you try changing hardware acceleration? Updating video drivers?

I've looked through the thread, and I still don't quite understand why it's
not possible to reinsert the images using Insert|Picture|From File instead
of copying and pasting from Print House.
 
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Steve Rindsberg

Thanks both, appreciate the follow-ups.

Steve: As mentioned in my OP, ungrouping didn't help.

Ungrouping after the damage becomes apparent wouldn't help, no.
I meant to ungroup as soon as the image has been pasted into PPT.

But from the following, it sounds as though you're on your way to try that now.
Quiz in the morning .... let us know what you find out.
uninstalled Print House, but will try that last suggestion on my
wife's PC. BTW, I asked her what version of PP her school-based laptop
had installed, and got the answer 'Version 5'. Does that make sense?

To echo Echo, no. See Help, About Microsoft PowerPoint within the program for
specific version details.
 
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Steve Rindsberg

I've looked through the thread, and I still don't quite understand why it's
not possible to reinsert the images using Insert|Picture|From File instead
of copying and pasting from Print House.

As I read it, it's because Print House uses a proprietary format for their
images, so you can't insert 'em using PPT's normal features.

Another possibility, though, would be if Print House can export to a format
that PPT *can* eat.
 
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Echo S

Steve Rindsberg said:
As I read it, it's because Print House uses a proprietary format for their
images, so you can't insert 'em using PPT's normal features.

Ah, yeah, that would make sense. Obviously, that's not how I was reading it.
:)
Another possibility, though, would be if Print House can export to a
format
that PPT *can* eat.

Yeah, I just assumed that would be the case. And we all know what they say
about "assume."
 

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