I'm having trouble with Vista

[Gotermeyer]

You depend upon detection software to tell you what is happening, and
you lean on it like a crutch and a security blanket. If the O/S can be
fooled, then anything that runs with the O/S can be fooled too.

It's your machine. And it's no one else's machine but yours. You don't
know what is happening on your own machine? You go to p2p(s) and
download load stuff while you toss security and safe hex out the door.
There is no telling what is on your machine that's undetected that can
cause trouble.

For somebody using Need to Know you don't seem to know much. I have
already stated twice I do not go to any p2p sites. Yet you are the
second responder to suggest that as the source of my problem. Yes it
is my machine. I had a question and came to what is suppose to be a
support group for help. If you can't provide any help and only attempt
to point blame at me why did you respond?

 

[Gotermeyer]

Stephan

There was no mention of using a legal music download source either..

The op claims crashes etc and downloading form P2P sites is a good way to
incite that

It was no arrogant assumption, purely a statement of fact which may or may
not answer as to why the crashes occur.

If people want specific answers, they should be more specific in what they
ask..

I've seen no statement of fact from you yet. I do see you trying to
make weak attempts at defending your original response to me which
others have already noted was arrogant and uncalled for.

 

[Gotermeyer]

Because in many cases they are is why.. note that I used the term 'many' and
not 'all'

I'm really disappointed if you are actually a MVP if you now resort to
fibbing. You did not use either 'many' or 'all' in your original reply
to me. What you said verbatim appears below.

"Downloading music via P2P is a surefire way to pick up crap that will
slow your machine up and cause it to crash.."

If some MVP is this deliberately dishonest is there a mechanism for
seeing this individual gets the remedial retraining he needs?

 

[Need to Know]

For somebody using Need to Know you don't seem to know much. I have
already stated twice I do not go to any p2p sites. Yet you are the
second responder to suggest that as the source of my problem. Yes it
is my machine. I had a question and came to what is suppose to be a
support group for help. If you can't provide any help and only attempt
to point blame at me why did you respond?

I read what was being posted at that point, not the entire thread. It's
a waste of time. You made no claim that you were not accessing a p2p.
What you have implied is that the person sucked that was trying to give
you help. There are no gods in this or any other NG. I read your other
post. No one is sitting at that machine but you.

And downloading music does kind of imply p2p. You never said otherwise,
until now. You ever defrag the machine. Maybe it's trashing itself to
death because it can't find continuous open space.

 

[Kerry Brown]

Where are you copying files to/from? Some Vista file operations are quicker
than XP, some are slower. Knowing exactly what you're doing will help
diagnose the cause of the slowness.

Are there any errors in the event logs related to the crashes? Open the
Performance and Reliability Monitor. Click on Reliability Monitor. Click on
the red X's to see the errors.

As far as Ubuntu being more reliable than Vista I'd say they are about
equal. Assuming no physical hardware problems both depend on the reliability
of the drivers for your particular hardware. I run both on several different
computers. I currently have no reliability issues with either. I have had
reliability issues with both when buggy drivers were in use. I do still have
some programs on both that are problematical. With both OS's I can lock them
up solid just by running an incompatible program.

 

[:: Alias ::]

Stephan

There was no mention of using a legal music download source either..

But you, in classic MS style, assumed the worst.

The op claims crashes etc and downloading form P2P sites is a good way
to incite that

Among many others.

It was no arrogant assumption, purely a statement of fact which may or
may not answer as to why the crashes occur.

If people want specific answers, they should be more specific in what
they ask..

Dance, Mike, dance.

Alias

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

I'm really disappointed if you are actually a MVP if you now resort to
fibbing. You did not use either 'many' or 'all' in your original reply
to me. What you said verbatim appears below.

"Downloading music via P2P is a surefire way to pick up crap that will
slow your machine up and cause it to crash.."

If some MVP is this deliberately dishonest is there a mechanism for
seeing this individual gets the remedial retraining he needs?

No, I used it in my second reply.. care to read it again?


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http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

[Hobbes]

Maybe you should be more considerate of people asking for help and not
jump to conclusions or be defensive. I expected more from a MVP. It
seems you have a thing for P2P sites. I never use them, yet you
immediately jumped to that conclusion. As far as being specific maybe
that would be a good suggestion on how you should frame your replies
being a MVP and all rather than your shotgun response which totally
missed the mark.

It appears some here are more interested in furthering their agenda
than actually trying to help. I have already said in a reply to
someone else the crash most annoying to me is Windows Explorer and my
downloading of music was with Urge.

Seems you got what you initially intended.yes ?
An argument.
You were extremely vague in the first post and someone took a stab at it.
Install ubuntu.
You will have it locked up in about 15 minutes.

 

[Need to Know]

Mike Hall's posting history, of course.

Snip troll drivel.

Alias

You had better look in the mirror Alias. And you had better take a hard
look at your own posting history, because you are no bed of roses.

 

[Gotermeyer]

No, I used it in my second reply.. care to read it again?

Reading it once was enough. You attempted to lie and got caught. Is
that the approved Microsoft policy for MVPs?

 

[Hobbes]

Reading it once was enough. You attempted to lie and got caught. Is
that the approved Microsoft policy for MVPs?

He didn't lie you doofus.
Install ubuntu already !

Or take the PC to a technician, Squirrel for Brains

 

[Gotermeyer]

Seems you got what you initially intended.yes ?
An argument.

I got what I've seen many others get when they simply asked for help.
Disrespect.

You were extremely vague in the first post and someone took a stab at it.

Accusing me of stealing music P2P wasn't taking a stab at anything. It
was a typical wise guy put down this newsgroup has a reputation for.
Most noteworthy it was from a MVP who's purpose is suppose to offer
help. Instead he insulted me, then tried to lie his way out of it.

Install ubuntu.
You will have it locked up in about 15 minutes.

I'm wondering why the typical response is more like yours then
offering any real instance.

 

[upyourbuttooo]

But you, in classic MS style, assumed the worst.


Among many others.


Dance, Mike, dance.

Alias

Gurgle Alias, Gurgle

 

[Hobbes]

I got what I've seen many others get when they simply asked for help.
Disrespect.


Accusing me of stealing music P2P wasn't taking a stab at anything. It
was a typical wise guy put down this newsgroup has a reputation for.
Most noteworthy it was from a MVP who's purpose is suppose to offer
help. Instead he insulted me, then tried to lie his way out of it.


I'm wondering why the typical response is more like yours then
offering any real instance.

You need medical assistance.
If you wanna install ubuntu...go ahead !
If you want help doing it try: alt.os.linux.ubuntu

 

[upyourbuttooo]

Snip troll drivel.

Alias

Ok, I snipped all your troll drivel

 

[Gotermeyer]

Where are you copying files to/from? Some Vista file operations are quicker
than XP, some are slower. Knowing exactly what you're doing will help
diagnose the cause of the slowness.

I'm simply copying files from one hard drive to another, not over any
network. It doesn't matter if from one internal drive to another or
from some internal drive to an external drive or the other way around.
The process is sometimes much slower than XP or going out of the shell
and using something else to copy.

I'm noticed others have similar problems. Is this a known issue?

Are there any errors in the event logs related to the crashes? Open the
Performance and Reliability Monitor. Click on Reliability Monitor. Click on
the red X's to see the errors.

There are no errors of any kind nor any events recorded in any logs.

As far as Ubuntu being more reliable than Vista I'd say they are about
equal. Assuming no physical hardware problems both depend on the reliability
of the drivers for your particular hardware. I run both on several different
computers. I currently have no reliability issues with either. I have had
reliability issues with both when buggy drivers were in use. I do still have
some programs on both that are problematical. With both OS's I can lock them
up solid just by running an incompatible program.

Thanks for a fair and objective answer not colored by any bias. The
problem I see over and over has nothing to do with my applications but
it seems to be Vista itself since it is Explorer that is slow in
copying files and again it is Explorer that keeps saying it needs to
shut down either when first bringing it up or if it is middle of doing
something. Since no external third party drivers are involved in
copying files this problem seems embedded in Windows itself. I have
also seen in XP and I think 2000 as well but to a lessor degree.

 

[:: Alias ::]

You had better look in the mirror Alias. And you had better take a hard
look at your own posting history, because you are no bed of roses.

Look who's talking. My posting history has very little insults and no lies.

Alias

 

[:: Alias ::]

Seems you got what you initially intended.yes ?
An argument.
You were extremely vague in the first post and someone took a stab at it.
Install ubuntu.
You will have it locked up in about 15 minutes.

Liar. FUD spreader. In short, you're a troll.

Alias

 

[Hobbes]

Liar. FUD spreader. In short, you're a troll.

Alias

Said the King Troll.
Ubuntu sucks...yet I'm playing with it ?
Makes ya wonder what I'm up to , yes ?

 

[Need to Know]

I got what I've seen many others get when they simply asked for help.
Disrespect.


Accusing me of stealing music P2P wasn't taking a stab at anything. It
was a typical wise guy put down this newsgroup has a reputation for.
Most noteworthy it was from a MVP who's purpose is suppose to offer
help. Instead he insulted me, then tried to lie his way out of it.


I'm wondering why the typical response is more like yours then
offering any real instance.

Well, what else have you downloaded and install on the machine that was
not Vista compliant?

I had a problem with Explorer too. Explorer started crashing because I
installed some software on Vista that was for XP that made Explorer go
into this crash loop. The machine couldn't even get to the desktop. I
had to restore to a point that the software that caused the problem was
not there.

What's to say that some malware has hit the machine that's undetected
that causing you grief?

If you were having problems out of the gate with Vista, that's one
thing. But if all this has started happening out of the blue, then most
likely something has been introduced to the O/S that is causing problems.