I'M ABOUT TO THROW 400$ WORTH OF OS IN THE GARBAGE! THX MICROSOFT!

[mikeyhsd]

yes , just one.
at least for me.
don't expect any attempt to help.
all you wish to do is rant and rave and be nasty to anyone trying to help.

you think you are so smart with your EXPERIENCE, then hack it out by yourself.



(e-mail address removed)

experience has nothing to do with bad/poor choice of hardware.

That's a hoot! How is buying ONLY Vista ready hardware making a poor
choice? Guys pretending to be "experts" kill me with laughter.
Honestly. That's all I've seen so far.

there have been and still are problems with SATA drives.

Not if you know what you're doing. I have six, all humming along just
fine under XP, both internal and external. Since my boot drive(C) is a
standard IDE drive and I have disabled all SATA drives
physically,(pulling both the data and power cables) and I'm trying to
install Vista onto a NTFS drive on a IDE channel, this shouldn't be a
issue. Just for the heck of it I also disabled the SATA controller,
Doesn't make a bit of differece.

all you have done so far is rant and rave.

Actually I pointed out the stupidity and clumsiness of Microsoft
software. A Upgrade Vista "Advisor" that passes my system and says
there are no issues, go ahead and install Vista and a OS installer
that hangs half way through generating stop screens. I know it is so
typical of MicroCrap, but ranting it's not. I factually explained what
happened. I know very well from past rudeness visiting these Microsoft
so-called "support" groups how many Microsoft apologists that know
next to nothing infest them.

Can we at least agree a Vista Upgrade Advisor passing my system and
the actual install process crashing is a REAL problem, or will
somebody try to talk me into accepting this careless flaw a "feature"?

you were asked for information on what is happening.

And NOBODY gave any information, short of saying vist a mac store,
take the software back and grumbled over my choice of version and my
desire and logical reasoning for not wishing to do a clean install. I
explained EXACTLY, and in detail what happens. Perhaps you're nowhere
near as "expert" on this topic as you think you are.

have you tried turning off your raid and installing plain jane.

I'm not running RAID. I'm running in ACHI mode which "sees" the SATA
drives seperately. They are not linked in any RAID configuration.
Perhaps your reading comprehension isn't up to par either. I also
disable that in BIOS and ran these controllers are plain jane IDE.
Doesn't matter.

have you bothered to check for new drivers for your sata setup.

I put a note under by pillow and I'm waiting for the driver fairy to
bring me the new drivers. Any more smartass comments?

 

[boe]

PS - I've gotten a great deal of free help from these newsgroups which I
certainly appreciate. I have posted many questions on Vista and got some
quick assistance so I'd like to say thanks again for all the free advice
people have volunteered.

 

[boe]

You might enjoy this -

 

[John Sanford]

An advisor is just that. It is not a judge. In addition to the advisor you
have to use a bit of common sense and research your current hardware and
software. If low level utilities such as antivirus, firewalls, AntiSpyware
programs etc. are not Vista ready (and none that are installed under
Windows XP are), you have to deep six them BEFORE you install Vista.
Waiting till after the install, and hoping they may work, is a foolish way
to proceed.

I have installed Vista now on about 2 dozen computers and I have not had
serious problems with any of the installs.
Regards,
Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

The proof is in the pudding... 24 installs and no "serious" problems?!?!
How about 24 installs with NO problems?

My only problem was setting my clock to "2006" and V07 wanted me to activate
after 15 minutes.

J.Sanford,
MVPerson in my house.

 

[Adam Albright]

yes , just one.
at least for me.
don't expect any attempt to help.
all you wish to do is rant and rave and be nasty to anyone trying to help.

you think you are so smart with your EXPERIENCE, then hack it out by yourself.

How dense do you have to be to understand YOU haven't helped a bit?
Geez, so many of the guys that hang out here pretend to know what
they're talking about as you proved that's laughable. So sorry your
ego is so easily bruised. Now if you can swallow your pride I may
teach YOU something.

A quick web search shows many people are getting a BSOD (blue screen
of death) message with the stop code 0X0000007B or similar. Including
me. Now what does this mean?

I'll relate my experience so far with this problem:

1. Could be a virus. Possible boot sector variety. Unlikely and
confirmed not so by running two different anti-virus programs.
Besides, if this was the case it likely would crash XP as well,
it does not.

2. Could be a device driver. Most likely. While the codes are far
from being absolute, the general conscious from visiting several
web sites, blogs and forums is if your system has a SATA controller
and you DO NOT have Vista capable drivers this likely is the cause.

But wait... the useless Vista Upgrade advisor does not report a issue
with anything SATA on my system. Ignoring the advisor, which has
proved itself to be typical Microsoft junk and all but worthless to
doing its stated task, I next paid a repeat visit to my motherboard
web site, in my case, that's Gigabyte. Over the weekend they
apparently added some new Vista drivers, some beta, oh what the heck.
I downloaded and installed all that apply to my MB. Again ran the
Upgrade advisor, no change. I next tried to see if Vista would resume
its install attempt. It does not, again hanging displaying the same
stop message 0X0000007B.

So in my case at least Stop 7B is indicating another driver problem
apparently. Other suspects become the audio driver, and USB, two
frequently buggy drivers that cause hangs especially when you change
the OS.

Also suspect are items that the Vista Upgrade Advisor flags in that is
simply says it don't know what they are, followed by claiming they may
present minor issues. Again, that seems bogus since Windows is
hanging, so in spite of it saying it won't have problems, the facts
suggest something on this "maybe" list is causing problems.

Now to further illustrate how brain dead Windows really is, consider
this absurd chicken or the egg problem. I have several Vista drivers
ready to install. Problem is they are Vista only. In other words Vista
has to be up and running BEFORE you can install them. Even if I
disable featues from BIOS, Microsoft crap being as stupid as it is,
and we all know it is if you admit it or not Windows will sometimes
"see" devices and attempt to install and/or activate them anyway. You
will either see a visual indicator at the lower right of your desktop
this has happened, confimred by the old "found new hardware" message
then again sometimes you just hear a audio cue. The catch 22 part here
is these drivers, in my case a USB driver even if disabled from either
BIOS or Device Manager apparently is "seen" by Windows no matter what
I do. This also could cause the 7B stop error in spite of the fact
Windows does need USB anything to install Windows. This is what I mean
by my brain dead comment. If any software installer encounters a
problem is should be smart enough to flag the offender, then simply
skip over it if it isn't critical and that explains a USB driver.
Sadly Windows isn't that smart, its dumb, and no matter what it will
try to install the driver if attempting to bring up a new OS.

This USB driver works fine under XP, and supports many USB devices I
have, but apparently causes problems for Vista. Like I said, I have a
new Vista version, but requires it be installed after Vista is up and
running. Since this USB port is part of the MB, I can not physically
remove it and attempts to disable it so far aren't working.

 

[Richard Urban]

The only "minor" problems I have seen is Vista scaling itself down to match
the hardware capabilities. It is doing what it is supposed to do.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Donald McDaniel]

I hope someone from microsoft reads this comment. I want you to know how
much
time and money I have lost in the last three days! I bought 2 oem versions
of
vista on friday.Home premium to install on my hp "vista ready" laptop and
ultimate to install on my xp desktop.
The laptop installed impeccably because hp prepared it's computer for the
change. On the other hand, my desktop is inoperational. after three
attempts
to install vista, I changed the dvd player, then the hard drive and then
the
mother board!!! over 1000$ spent and not only do I continue to get blue
screens while installing vista, I now cannot even reinstall xp.I consider
my
self computer-litrerate and I built all my computers since windows 98.I
have
never seen such a mess and I know I will never get any help and/or
reimbursement from Microsoft!! Shame on you!! i trusted you enough to buy
2
of your new softwares and your support infrastructure is inaccessible,
stressful, and practically inexistant . I have fought against using a mac
for
12 years, but if this issues is not worked out ,I will be forced to buy a
new computerand it will be a mac .I hope many other people who are
certainly
losing between 500 and 1000 dollars per installation (on money we cannot
afford to lose) will do the same!
my system asus p5b-e /pentium 4 double core /over 2000 ram/ 2 sata 3
drives of 300 gb/ asus eax 1950 graphic card with 256 mb/ and nothing
works with vista!!! can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong and it would
resectful if someone from microsoft would apologise publically for the
stress
they are causing me as as well as many others. Robert Isaac

Please don't throw a full copy of Vista Ultimate away. I will take it for
free, and even pay the shipping.
I installed Vista Home Premium (System Builder kit) over the weekend, and
love it.

By the way, Microsoft is causing you no stress. YOU are causing your own
stress. Microsoft doesn't even know who you are, nor do they really care.
Why should they apologize for something they have not done? Would you? Of
course not.

Have you upgraded the device drivers for all that fancy hardware yet?
Perhaps you might find that Microsoft has a NEW hardware driver model for
graphics, printers, sound, etc.

Macs are great machines, but even their hardware needs drivers, as Windows
does, which YOU must install yourself. Macs are great hardware platforms
for Vista, by the way.

 

[Guest]

I am one who sympathizes with you. I am not a super techie or anything. I run
programs and tutor people how to use computers. Honestly the people I tutor
are the older generation who are afraid of computers and are worried typing
will kill it. I have had a terrible experiance with Vista. I have emailed
them three times. I had one reply asking me to do a bunch of stuff to my
system and send them my dump file when I am done. I did everything they
asked, feeling really good that I was going to get help. To date I have not
got a reply! I have posted over and over in the forums and no reply.
Tommorrow I am taking my system into a shop to get it backed up and
reformatted since I cannot use my readers at all. I have copied what my issue
is and maybe someone here can help me. I like some of the perks of Vista but
I have never had this kind of problem installing an o/s.

I have an intel that had xp on it. I got windows vista home premium. I have a
dvd reader, dvd w, and cd r/w...all LG and all in working order before Vista.
I installed the Vista with my dvd w and all seemed fine. Then I tried to put
a new game on and I got a blue screen and a system reboot. I tried to use my
dvd readers and again I got the blu screen. I reinstalled and updated all of
my readers and tried again. Again the blue screen. So I disabled them one by
one and got a blue screen with everything. When I do a restart on my system
from the start menu I get the blue screen. I also cannot get any lonks in
email, yahoo, msn, favorites etc to work on my internet explorer which is the
newest version and updated. I cannot back up my system and do a format and
reinstall because none of my readers work to back up to. I am going tomorrow
to buy external hard drive and try a backup that way but I need an answer for
my readers. The blue screen message I get is **stop 0x0000008E (oxcoooooo5,
0x82386E65, 0x962E4800, 0x00000000) Fltmgr.sys - Address 82367000 datestamp
4549acc2

Any help would be appreciated!

 

[Ward Taylor]

Hi
Have you seen these?
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314060
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/320553/

Cheers

 

[John Inzer]

I am one who sympathizes with you. I am not a super techie or
anything. I run programs and tutor people how to use computers.
Honestly the people I tutor are the older generation who are afraid
of computers and are worried typing will kill it. I have had a
terrible experiance with Vista. I have emailed them three times. I
had one reply asking me to do a bunch of stuff to my system and send
them my dump file when I am done. I did everything they asked,
feeling really good that I was going to get help. To date I have not
got a reply! I have posted over and over in the forums and no reply.
Tommorrow I am taking my system into a shop to get it backed up and
reformatted since I cannot use my readers at all. I have copied what
my issue is and maybe someone here can help me. I like some of the
perks of Vista but I have never had this kind of problem installing
an o/s.

I have an intel that had xp on it. I got windows vista home premium.
I have a dvd reader, dvd w, and cd r/w...all LG and all in working
order before Vista. I installed the Vista with my dvd w and all
seemed fine. Then I tried to put a new game on and I got a blue
screen and a system reboot. I tried to use my dvd readers and again I
got the blu screen. I reinstalled and updated all of my readers and
tried again. Again the blue screen. So I disabled them one by one and
got a blue screen with everything. When I do a restart on my system
from the start menu I get the blue screen. I also cannot get any
lonks in email, yahoo, msn, favorites etc to work on my internet
explorer which is the newest version and updated. I cannot back up my
system and do a format and reinstall because none of my readers work
to back up to. I am going tomorrow to buy external hard drive and try
a backup that way but I need an answer for my readers. The blue
screen message I get is **stop 0x0000008E (oxcoooooo5, 0x82386E65,
0x962E4800, 0x00000000) Fltmgr.sys - Address 82367000 datestamp
4549acc2

Any help would be appreciated!

================================
You may have some hardware that is
not compatible with Vista.

It's important to run the Windows Vista
Upgrade Advisor to be sure your system
is compatible before installing Vista.

Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor
http://tinyurl.com/27pekc

The first time I installed Vista in a dual boot
setup with Windows XP Pro I received errors
everytime I tried to install anything. Sometimes
files would just dissappear.

My problem was solved by updating my
BIOS. This can be a tricky thing to do but
fortunately I found an update at the Intel site
that worked for me.

If you seriously want to throw Vista in the trash...
you should return it to Microsoft. There's info on
the return guarantee at the following site:

Microsoft North American Retail
Product 45-Day Refund Policy
http://tinyurl.com/deb6j

--
John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://tinyurl.com/aczzp

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP]

Run a memory test from diskette..

This is about your problem

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315335

And this is the page where you can get the MS memory test program..

http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp

I am one who sympathizes with you. I am not a super techie or anything. I
run
programs and tutor people how to use computers. Honestly the people I
tutor
are the older generation who are afraid of computers and are worried
typing
will kill it. I have had a terrible experiance with Vista. I have emailed
them three times. I had one reply asking me to do a bunch of stuff to my
system and send them my dump file when I am done. I did everything they
asked, feeling really good that I was going to get help. To date I have
not
got a reply! I have posted over and over in the forums and no reply.
Tommorrow I am taking my system into a shop to get it backed up and
reformatted since I cannot use my readers at all. I have copied what my
issue
is and maybe someone here can help me. I like some of the perks of Vista
but
I have never had this kind of problem installing an o/s.

I have an intel that had xp on it. I got windows vista home premium. I
have a
dvd reader, dvd w, and cd r/w...all LG and all in working order before
Vista.
I installed the Vista with my dvd w and all seemed fine. Then I tried to
put
a new game on and I got a blue screen and a system reboot. I tried to use
my
dvd readers and again I got the blu screen. I reinstalled and updated all
of
my readers and tried again. Again the blue screen. So I disabled them one
by
one and got a blue screen with everything. When I do a restart on my
system
from the start menu I get the blue screen. I also cannot get any lonks in
email, yahoo, msn, favorites etc to work on my internet explorer which is
the
newest version and updated. I cannot back up my system and do a format and
reinstall because none of my readers work to back up to. I am going
tomorrow
to buy external hard drive and try a backup that way but I need an answer
for
my readers. The blue screen message I get is **stop 0x0000008E
(oxcoooooo5,
0x82386E65, 0x962E4800, 0x00000000) Fltmgr.sys - Address 82367000
datestamp
4549acc2

Any help would be appreciated!

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Brian]

Alright, so you feel you've been cheated, it doesn't mean that you have to be
insulting and downright RUDE. People are trying to help by asking questions,
and noone can get it through your head that more info is needed, and if you
were just polite and answered the questions, that someone might be able to
help you. Now that that's out of the way...

I had a problem installing Vista myself... Long story short, Microsoft
blamed ATI, ATI blamed microsoft. Not all drivers on the DVD's work
correctly. If I'm right, the OS installs, says it's preparing to start for
the first time, does it's song and dance, and then crashes about the time you
get to a video card driver (not that you could tell when it's hapening,
right?) Here is the trick. After windows states that it is starting for the
first time, it comes to the screen where it says something like loading
drivers, or whatnot... Hit Alt+F10. In the screen that comes up, type
DEVMGMT.EXE (otherwise known as the device manager). DISABLE the video card
drivers BEFORE it tries to load them (there should be 2 of them). After it
starts up into windows, go online and download the most recent drivers for
the video card.


3 Weeks and talking to numerous indian support reps, as well as being
transfered about 100 times (at one point I was transfered, yes, to a
microsoft help agent, while the music in the background was the x files
theme song). I was eventually transfered to the highest lvl of tech support,
THE UBERNERDS!!! After a few days with one of them (they're acutally nice
when they're up that high) This was the solution.

 

[Brian]

Alright, so you feel you've been cheated, it doesn't mean that you have to be
insulting and downright RUDE. People are trying to help by asking questions,
and noone can get it through your head that more info is needed, and if you
were just polite and answered the questions, that someone might be able to
help you. Now that that's out of the way...

I had a problem installing Vista myself... Long story short, Microsoft
blamed ATI, ATI blamed microsoft. Not all drivers on the DVD's work
correctly. If I'm right, the OS installs, says it's preparing to start for
the first time, does it's song and dance, and then crashes about the time you
get to a video card driver (not that you could tell when it's hapening,
right?) Here is the trick. After windows states that it is starting for the
first time, it comes to the screen where it says something like loading
drivers, or whatnot... Hit Alt+F10. In the screen that comes up, type
DEVMGMT.EXE (otherwise known as the device manager). DISABLE the video card
drivers BEFORE it tries to load them (there should be 2 of them). After it
starts up into windows, go online and download the most recent drivers for
the video card.


3 Weeks and talking to numerous indian support reps, as well as being
transfered about 100 times (at one point I was transfered, yes, to a
microsoft help agent, while the music in the background was the x files
theme song). I was eventually transfered to the highest lvl of tech support,
THE UBERNERDS!!! After a few days with one of them (they're acutally nice
when they're up that high) This was the solution.

 

[Aamir Zaffar]

I know what you mean. I bought Vista Ultimate for a lot of money. My vista
don't even boot because a blue screen keeps coming up. I contacted them 3
times and then they say you need to speak to one of out technicians which
cost £46 to speak to. Then whats the point in having a customer service if
they can't solve your problem. Useless!!!

 

[Brian]

Hey, look for the next post with my name on it, it's actually got the solution.