I'M ABOUT TO THROW 400$ WORTH OF OS IN THE GARBAGE! THX MICROSOFT!

[Guest]

I hope someone from microsoft reads this comment. I want you to know how much
time and money I have lost in the last three days! I bought 2 oem versions of
vista on friday.Home premium to install on my hp "vista ready" laptop and
ultimate to install on my xp desktop.
The laptop installed impeccably because hp prepared it's computer for the
change. On the other hand, my desktop is inoperational. after three attempts
to install vista, I changed the dvd player, then the hard drive and then the
mother board!!! over 1000$ spent and not only do I continue to get blue
screens while installing vista, I now cannot even reinstall xp.I consider my
self computer-litrerate and I built all my computers since windows 98.I have
never seen such a mess and I know I will never get any help and/or
reimbursement from Microsoft!! Shame on you!! i trusted you enough to buy 2
of your new softwares and your support infrastructure is inaccessible,
stressful, and practically inexistant . I have fought against using a mac for
12 years, but if this issues is not worked out ,I will be forced to buy a
new computerand it will be a mac .I hope many other people who are certainly
losing between 500 and 1000 dollars per installation (on money we cannot
afford to lose) will do the same!
my system asus p5b-e /pentium 4 double core /over 2000 ram/ 2 sata 3
drives of 300 gb/ asus eax 1950 graphic card with 256 mb/ and nothing
works with vista!!! can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong and it would
resectful if someone from microsoft would apologise publically for the stress
they are causing me as as well as many others. Robert Isaac

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Please explain what you mean by "nothing works with vista!!!"

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"superbob" wrote:

I hope someone from microsoft reads this comment. I want you to know how much
time and money I have lost in the last three days! I bought 2 oem versions of
vista on friday.Home premium to install on my hp "vista ready" laptop and
ultimate to install on my xp desktop.
The laptop installed impeccably because hp prepared it's computer for the
change. On the other hand, my desktop is inoperational. after three attempts
to install vista, I changed the dvd player, then the hard drive and then the
mother board!!! over 1000$ spent and not only do I continue to get blue
screens while installing vista, I now cannot even reinstall xp.I consider my
self computer-litrerate and I built all my computers since windows 98.I have
never seen such a mess and I know I will never get any help and/or
reimbursement from Microsoft!! Shame on you!! i trusted you enough to buy 2
of your new softwares and your support infrastructure is inaccessible,
stressful, and practically inexistant . I have fought against using a mac for
12 years, but if this issues is not worked out ,I will be forced to buy a
new computerand it will be a mac .I hope many other people who are certainly
losing between 500 and 1000 dollars per installation (on money we cannot
afford to lose) will do the same!
my system asus p5b-e /pentium 4 double core /over 2000 ram/ 2 sata 3
drives of 300 gb/ asus eax 1950 graphic card with 256 mb/ and nothing
works with vista!!! can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong and it would
resectful if someone from microsoft would apologise publically for the stress
they are causing me as as well as many others. Robert Isaac

 

[Robert Moir]

superbob wrote:
[snip]

The laptop installed impeccably because hp prepared it's computer for
the change. On the other hand, my desktop is inoperational. after
three attempts to install vista, I changed the dvd player, then the
hard drive and then the mother board!!! over 1000$ spent and not only
do I continue to get blue screens while installing vista, I now
cannot even reinstall xp.I consider my self computer-litrerate and I
built all my computers since windows 98.

If it installs ok on your HP laptop it obviously isn't that Vista 'just
plain doesn't work'. No offence but I'd wonder about hardware issues on the
desktop under the circumstances. I've been building computers for years
myself and I still pick bad combinations of products sometimes, or do
something boneheaded with configs. It happens to us all.

I have never seen such a mess
and I know I will never get any help and/or reimbursement from
Microsoft!! Shame on you!! i trusted you enough to buy 2 of your new
softwares and your support infrastructure is inaccessible, stressful,
and practically inexistant .

As for the support issue, you _chose_ to buy OEM software, one part of this
is that the software costs less than retail precisely _because_ it doesn't
include support from Microsoft. With respect, you can't blame them because
you chose the option to buy the version of the product that doesn't include
support.

I have fought against using a mac for 12
years, but if this issues is not worked out ,I will be forced to buy
a new computerand it will be a mac .I hope many other people who are
certainly losing between 500 and 1000 dollars per installation (on
money we cannot afford to lose) will do the same!

Good idea. I'm a Mac owner and really think people should consider one. But
don't believe the adverts (you already know the Vista adverts don't talk
about the problems YOU have with it, right?) - it might (arguably according
to some here) be better than Windows but it isn't perfect. You still have
odd errors and operating system bugs on a Mac. You still have people cursing
because the new operating system upgrade doesn't work quite right.

my system asus p5b-e /pentium 4 double core /over 2000 ram/ 2 sata 3
drives of 300 gb/ asus eax 1950 graphic card with 256 mb/ and
nothing works with vista!!! can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong

If you want to take a deep breath, calm down a second and describe what
exactly is happening, what version of Vista you're installing, what errors
you actually get, then someone will be able to take a swing at that.

One thing that springs to mind offhand, If you're using a P5b-e then you're
using the jmicron chipset for PATA and some SATA support, same as on my ABIT
AB9. Are you installing a Vista driver for this at the start of the install,
or at least have you set it to AHCI mode rather than RAID mode in the bios
(obviously this might have implications if you have other drives in a RAID
off this chip).

 

[Jack]

Sorry to hear about your problems SB. I am in my own small way a system
builder and really needed Vista to see if i could build a system round it. I
used my own system, Asus P5W DH. a P4 2 Core Duo 2 gig of Crucial Ballistix
Ram, Radeon X1650 with 512 meg and this is where it got interesting, I left
XP on one of my hard drives and installed Vista on another and for the first
time ran 4 SATA hard drives from the motherboard along with an external SATa
and a external IDE USB HD, A SonyDVD is attached on PATA,

All are Western Digital. I also have a Hauppauge HVR 1300. A Creative Zen
Mp3 player and a Canon and a Epson Printer and finally a Epson 4870 Scanner.

I altered the boot sequence and did a clean install of Vista Ultimate. It
went straight on without a problem, the sound and video were picked up as
were the onborad LAN and all other onboard peripherals. I could have used it
from there,

I then installed the downloaded drivers for the chipset, sound , LAN,
Graphics and TV Card. all went fine with one exception. The TV card seems to
dislike being used after watching a DVD or DivX film, but other than that it
has been fine. Both printers work and neither have Vists Specific drivers
available. The Scanner did have a vista driver available and that worked
fine. The Creative player works fine, the only problems i have had is a COM
Surrogate fault that i was informed was caused by NERO which i have since
updated and the problem went, and the fact that McAfee which is only a month
old will not work with it (yet).

So really i have had a directly opposite experience of Vista to yourself,
yet the components are not that far different, I am catching a lot of posts
etc on Nvidea graphics not working well but i don't know the card you
mention so i am unable to comment,

I can't for the life of me think what could have caused the Vista not to
install as the other components you mention are quality and should have
worked first time, the point i am trying to make is that if all the above
works without fault and first time then i am sure you will get yours sorted,
I certaily hope so anyway,

 

[Adam Albright]

I hope someone from microsoft reads this comment. I want you to know how much
time and money I have lost in the last three days! I bought 2 oem versions of
vista on friday.Home premium to install on my hp "vista ready" laptop and
ultimate to install on my xp desktop.
The laptop installed impeccably because hp prepared it's computer for the
change. On the other hand, my desktop is inoperational. after three attempts
to install vista, I changed the dvd player, then the hard drive and then the
mother board!!! over 1000$ spent and not only do I continue to get blue
screens while installing vista, I now cannot even reinstall xp.I consider my
self computer-litrerate and I built all my computers since windows 98.

Welcome to the Microsoft suckers club. I've being doing the same since
early 1980's. Oh God... what's wrong with me (us)?

Just kidding, but it sure can ruin your day. What the heck, almost
time for the superbowl. Go Bears!

 

[Adam Albright]

Please explain what you mean by "nothing works with vista!!!"

Well duh... it seems obvious "nothing works" if you can't even install
the crap. If you can't boot into the OS, what do you expect people
suffering to say?

This is SUPPOSE TO BE a source of help. I haven't peeked into any
Microsoft groups for years, but things never change. These groups are
mostly infested with parrots repeating the Microsoft BS. Anybody
actually know anything that may actually help, step forward. I haven't
seen any help anywhere... yet.

Lets see a show of hands how many MVP's were also beta testers and
passed this pile of crap.

BTW, I used to be a beta tester for both Microsoft and another little
company called IBM, so I DO understand, way too well.

 

[Adam Albright]

Sorry to hear about your problems SB. I am in my own small way a system
builder and really needed Vista to see if i could build a system round it. I
used my own system, Asus P5W DH. a P4 2 Core Duo 2 gig of Crucial Ballistix
Ram, Radeon X1650 with 512 meg and this is where it got interesting, I left
XP on one of my hard drives and installed Vista on another and for the first
time ran 4 SATA hard drives from the motherboard along with an external SATa
and a external IDE USB HD, A SonyDVD is attached on PATA,

All are Western Digital. I also have a Hauppauge HVR 1300. A Creative Zen
Mp3 player and a Canon and a Epson Printer and finally a Epson 4870 Scanner.

I altered the boot sequence and did a clean install of Vista Ultimate. It
went straight on without a problem, the sound and video were picked up as
were the onborad LAN and all other onboard peripherals. I could have used it
from there,

I then installed the downloaded drivers for the chipset, sound , LAN,
Graphics and TV Card. all went fine with one exception. The TV card seems to
dislike being used after watching a DVD or DivX film, but other than that it
has been fine. Both printers work and neither have Vists Specific drivers
available. The Scanner did have a vista driver available and that worked
fine. The Creative player works fine, the only problems i have had is a COM
Surrogate fault that i was informed was caused by NERO which i have since
updated and the problem went, and the fact that McAfee which is only a month
old will not work with it (yet).

So really i have had a directly opposite experience of Vista to yourself,
yet the components are not that far different, I am catching a lot of posts
etc on Nvidea graphics not working well but i don't know the card you
mention so i am unable to comment,

I can't for the life of me think what could have caused the Vista not to
install as the other components you mention are quality and should have
worked first time, the point i am trying to make is that if all the above
works without fault and first time then i am sure you will get yours sorted,
I certaily hope so anyway,

Nice to seem SOMEBODY actually trying to help. Frankly I've had a
belly full of clowns that have some false pride in boasting their
MVP's, then mostly mouthing off for some ego stroking. Good to see at
least a few people trying to help simply for the sake of helping.

My experience is extensive. Not only with PC's, but going back to main
frames way back in the late 60's. I've build more sytems then I care
to remember, in the hundreds at least. I've installed ALL versions of
Microsoft Windows, 3.0, 3.1, Workgroups, ME, 95, 98 NT and of course
XP. NEVER and I mean never, have I run into the type of issues or the
serious crashes that Vista seems to be causing for untold thousands.
Remebmer, most people probably only have 1 PC so if something goes
wrong can't get here to complain. We're only seeing the tip of the
iceberg and it ain't pretty from where I sit. What the hell is wrong
with Microsoft for dumping this poorly tested beta on the public?
Finshed product my rear end. Vista is flat out horrible if some piece
of junk called a upgrade advisor can't find serious problems after
scanning your pre-Vista system only for serious install crashing
errors be found half way through the actual install process itself.

Again I ask, what the hell is wrong with Microsoft for allowing this
crap to get out the door?

We're not talking minor crashes that may prevent some preferials from
working, we're seeing all kinds of reports of serious stop page
crashes DURING install from apparant video card drivers from major
vendors, ditto from major mother board vendors, hard drive
controllers, etc.. That simply isn't acceptable.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH MICROSOFT and also the beta testers for
not catching these kind of EASY TO SPOT errors? These are NOT minor,
there are major and if Microsoft engineers or beta testers KNEW what
they were doing, we the public wouldn't be seeing them. Afterall, that
is th PURPOSE of beta testing. Five fu..ing years of development and
this is what we get? A half-backed bloated piece of garbage that
refused to install on systems that Microsoft's own upgrade advisor
passes. Unacceptable no matter how much MVP's whine and moan and try
to spin.

 

[Richard Urban]

Don't throw out. Send to me.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Richard Urban]

MVP's do not have any power to stop Microsoft from doing much of anything.
What makes you think we do.

An MVP beta tester has no more credence than any other beta tester when it
comes to sending in qualified bug reports. You could have joined and added
to the reports. Did you?



--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[news.microsoft.com]

I hate to do this, but I am about to make you feel even worse...

I bought Vista Ultimate Upgrade a few days ago and installed it on my
primary PC at home. I was debating what to do about my son's PC and my HP
notebook when I came across a newsgroup post which points to
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/familydiscount.mspx.
It seems that "for a limited time" purchasers of Vista Ultimate can buy one
or two (!) licenses for Vista Home Premium for just $49.99 each! Basically,
you fill out an online form, enter your credit card details, and you get a
receipt with the new activation code(s). No need to download anything or
wait for shipping - you use the Ultimate installation media already in your
possession.

It's really one of the neater things Microsoft has done in recent memory...

 

[mikeyhsd]

experience has nothing to do with bad/poor choice of hardware.
there have been and still are problems with SATA drives.

all you have done so far is rant and rave.
you were asked for information on what is happening.

have you tried turning off your raid and installing plain jane.
have you bothered to check for new drivers for your sata setup.


I have just the opposite problem mine is so stable it sometimes pisses me off that I have to formally schedule down time simply to do maintenance.



(e-mail address removed)

Sorry to hear about your problems SB. I am in my own small way a system
builder and really needed Vista to see if i could build a system round it. I
used my own system, Asus P5W DH. a P4 2 Core Duo 2 gig of Crucial Ballistix
Ram, Radeon X1650 with 512 meg and this is where it got interesting, I left
XP on one of my hard drives and installed Vista on another and for the first
time ran 4 SATA hard drives from the motherboard along with an external SATa
and a external IDE USB HD, A SonyDVD is attached on PATA,

All are Western Digital. I also have a Hauppauge HVR 1300. A Creative Zen
Mp3 player and a Canon and a Epson Printer and finally a Epson 4870 Scanner.

I altered the boot sequence and did a clean install of Vista Ultimate. It
went straight on without a problem, the sound and video were picked up as
were the onborad LAN and all other onboard peripherals. I could have used it
from there,

I then installed the downloaded drivers for the chipset, sound , LAN,
Graphics and TV Card. all went fine with one exception. The TV card seems to
dislike being used after watching a DVD or DivX film, but other than that it
has been fine. Both printers work and neither have Vists Specific drivers
available. The Scanner did have a vista driver available and that worked
fine. The Creative player works fine, the only problems i have had is a COM
Surrogate fault that i was informed was caused by NERO which i have since
updated and the problem went, and the fact that McAfee which is only a month
old will not work with it (yet).

So really i have had a directly opposite experience of Vista to yourself,
yet the components are not that far different, I am catching a lot of posts
etc on Nvidea graphics not working well but i don't know the card you
mention so i am unable to comment,

I can't for the life of me think what could have caused the Vista not to
install as the other components you mention are quality and should have
worked first time, the point i am trying to make is that if all the above
works without fault and first time then i am sure you will get yours sorted,
I certaily hope so anyway,

Nice to seem SOMEBODY actually trying to help. Frankly I've had a
belly full of clowns that have some false pride in boasting their
MVP's, then mostly mouthing off for some ego stroking. Good to see at
least a few people trying to help simply for the sake of helping.

My experience is extensive. Not only with PC's, but going back to main
frames way back in the late 60's. I've build more sytems then I care
to remember, in the hundreds at least. I've installed ALL versions of
Microsoft Windows, 3.0, 3.1, Workgroups, ME, 95, 98 NT and of course
XP. NEVER and I mean never, have I run into the type of issues or the
serious crashes that Vista seems to be causing for untold thousands.
Remebmer, most people probably only have 1 PC so if something goes
wrong can't get here to complain. We're only seeing the tip of the
iceberg and it ain't pretty from where I sit. What the hell is wrong
with Microsoft for dumping this poorly tested beta on the public?
Finshed product my rear end. Vista is flat out horrible if some piece
of junk called a upgrade advisor can't find serious problems after
scanning your pre-Vista system only for serious install crashing
errors be found half way through the actual install process itself.

Again I ask, what the hell is wrong with Microsoft for allowing this
crap to get out the door?

We're not talking minor crashes that may prevent some preferials from
working, we're seeing all kinds of reports of serious stop page
crashes DURING install from apparant video card drivers from major
vendors, ditto from major mother board vendors, hard drive
controllers, etc.. That simply isn't acceptable.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH MICROSOFT and also the beta testers for
not catching these kind of EASY TO SPOT errors? These are NOT minor,
there are major and if Microsoft engineers or beta testers KNEW what
they were doing, we the public wouldn't be seeing them. Afterall, that
is th PURPOSE of beta testing. Five fu..ing years of development and
this is what we get? A half-backed bloated piece of garbage that
refused to install on systems that Microsoft's own upgrade advisor
passes. Unacceptable no matter how much MVP's whine and moan and try
to spin.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

I think you need some outside professional assistance.
Perhaps the following would be a worthwhile investestment:

CompUSAWindows Vista Experience Guarantee:
http://www.compusa.com/specials/showcases/vista/guarantee.asp

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

:

Well duh... it seems obvious "nothing works" if you can't even install
the crap. If you can't boot into the OS, what do you expect people
suffering to say?

This is SUPPOSE TO BE a source of help. I haven't peeked into any
Microsoft groups for years, but things never change. These groups are
mostly infested with parrots repeating the Microsoft BS. Anybody
actually know anything that may actually help, step forward. I haven't
seen any help anywhere... yet.

Lets see a show of hands how many MVP's were also beta testers and
passed this pile of crap.

BTW, I used to be a beta tester for both Microsoft and another little
company called IBM, so I DO understand, way too well.

 

[Adam Albright]

experience has nothing to do with bad/poor choice of hardware.

That's a hoot! How is buying ONLY Vista ready hardware making a poor
choice? Guys pretending to be "experts" kill me with laughter.
Honestly. That's all I've seen so far.

there have been and still are problems with SATA drives.

Not if you know what you're doing. I have six, all humming along just
fine under XP, both internal and external. Since my boot drive(C) is a
standard IDE drive and I have disabled all SATA drives
physically,(pulling both the data and power cables) and I'm trying to
install Vista onto a NTFS drive on a IDE channel, this shouldn't be a
issue. Just for the heck of it I also disabled the SATA controller,
Doesn't make a bit of differece.

all you have done so far is rant and rave.

Actually I pointed out the stupidity and clumsiness of Microsoft
software. A Upgrade Vista "Advisor" that passes my system and says
there are no issues, go ahead and install Vista and a OS installer
that hangs half way through generating stop screens. I know it is so
typical of MicroCrap, but ranting it's not. I factually explained what
happened. I know very well from past rudeness visiting these Microsoft
so-called "support" groups how many Microsoft apologists that know
next to nothing infest them.

Can we at least agree a Vista Upgrade Advisor passing my system and
the actual install process crashing is a REAL problem, or will
somebody try to talk me into accepting this careless flaw a "feature"?

you were asked for information on what is happening.

And NOBODY gave any information, short of saying vist a mac store,
take the software back and grumbled over my choice of version and my
desire and logical reasoning for not wishing to do a clean install. I
explained EXACTLY, and in detail what happens. Perhaps you're nowhere
near as "expert" on this topic as you think you are.

have you tried turning off your raid and installing plain jane.

I'm not running RAID. I'm running in ACHI mode which "sees" the SATA
drives seperately. They are not linked in any RAID configuration.
Perhaps your reading comprehension isn't up to par either. I also
disable that in BIOS and ran these controllers are plain jane IDE.
Doesn't matter.

have you bothered to check for new drivers for your sata setup.

I put a note under by pillow and I'm waiting for the driver fairy to
bring me the new drivers. Any more smartass comments?

 

[Richard Urban]

An advisor is just that. It is not a judge. In addition to the advisor you
have to use a bit of common sense and research your current hardware and
software. If low level utilities such as antivirus, firewalls, AntiSpyware
programs etc. are not Vista ready (and none that are installed under Windows
XP are), you have to deep six them BEFORE you install Vista. Waiting till
after the install, and hoping they may work, is a foolish way to proceed.

I have installed Vista now on about 2 dozen computers and I have not had
serious problems with any of the installs.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Maverick]

I hope someone from microsoft reads this comment. I want you to know how much
time and money I have lost in the last three days! I bought 2 oem versions of
vista on friday.Home premium to install on my hp "vista ready" laptop and
ultimate to install on my xp desktop.
The laptop installed impeccably because hp prepared it's computer for the
change. On the other hand, my desktop is inoperational. after three attempts
to install vista, I changed the dvd player, then the hard drive and then the
mother board!!! over 1000$ spent and not only do I continue to get blue
screens while installing vista, I now cannot even reinstall xp.I consider my
self computer-litrerate and I built all my computers since windows 98.I have
never seen such a mess and I know I will never get any help and/or
reimbursement from Microsoft!! Shame on you!! i trusted you enough to buy 2
of your new softwares and your support infrastructure is inaccessible,
stressful, and practically inexistant . I have fought against using a mac for
12 years, but if this issues is not worked out ,I will be forced to buy a
new computerand it will be a mac .I hope many other people who are certainly
losing between 500 and 1000 dollars per installation (on money we cannot
afford to lose) will do the same!
my system asus p5b-e /pentium 4 double core /over 2000 ram/ 2 sata 3
drives of 300 gb/ asus eax 1950 graphic card with 256 mb/ and nothing
works with vista!!! can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong and it would
resectful if someone from microsoft would apologise publically for the stress
they are causing me as as well as many others. Robert Isaac

Man, at this point at least try the Geek Squad if they are in your area.
After all that money you spent, don't stop now.

 

[Guest]

First of all, thank you to everyone for your suggestions; although nothing
helped for the moment, it's nice to know there are some decent guys out there.
in terms of the comment, "oem does not include service from microsoft",
please realise that I know how to install a computer and the upgrade advisor
told me I would have no major issues, that is why I bought the oem!! I almost
feel that this is the microsoft "revenge" for not buying the full product!!
now that I am a little less hysterical, I will try and explain what I have
done from the beginning.
I initially tried to install vista ultimate on a msi 945neo motherboard,
using a recent asus dvd driver and a new seagate sata 3 hard drive. The dvd
is connected to the ide and the hdd is sata. I tried three times and it never
found the "drivers "for the dvd player!!! I realized it must be a problem
with the raid setup. I formatted the hard drive and then I tried installing
using IDE mode and AHCI mode and it found the dvd player, but not the hard
drive. I then decided to reinstalled windows xp and in order to get all the
drivers working and then to install vista over that!! That is when I had the
famous "blue screen" which I haven't seen since the late 90's!!!!
Ultimately i tried installing vista 1) on a clean hard drive 2) on a hard
drive partioned with xp installed on the 2nd partition 3) with two hard
drives where xp was installed on the second hard drive. In the first two
cases, the istallations froze eartly one (between 21 and 53 %) and in the
last case , I installed vista (yipee), downloaded the vista drivers,
activated my product and then I rebooted my machine without the xp hard drive
and BOOM!! the blue screen appears and I have no choice but to start from
scratch. I bought a new motherboard and a dvd drive and tried the three
options again. I see blue screens in the middle of all installations. The
only thing I haven't changed is my graphics card which runs on ati drivers.
After installing xp, I tried installing the vista drivers before installing
vista, everything froze on reboot!!!!
Iam now very sorry I bought the oem version, but I am even sorrier that I
was seduced to upgrade to vista. I was really happy with xp!!!
Can some one give me a quick tutorial on the jmicron sata /pata raid
controller? How do I configure it (step by step please) to accept the vista
installation , where do I find the best drivers for it, and how do I install
them before installing vista?
Any help would be greatly appreciated and all suggestions regarding my
installation problems will be considered and tried!!!

 

[Chris]

I hope someone from microsoft reads this comment. I want you to know how much
time and money I have lost in the last three days! I bought 2 oem versions of
vista on friday.Home premium to install on my hp "vista ready" laptop and
ultimate to install on my xp desktop.
The laptop installed impeccably because hp prepared it's computer for the
change. On the other hand, my desktop is inoperational. after three attempts
to install vista, I changed the dvd player, then the hard drive and then the
mother board!!! over 1000$ spent and not only do I continue to get blue
screens while installing vista, I now cannot even reinstall xp.I consider my
self computer-litrerate and I built all my computers since windows 98.I have
never seen such a mess and I know I will never get any help and/or
reimbursement from Microsoft!! Shame on you!! i trusted you enough to buy 2
of your new softwares and your support infrastructure is inaccessible,
stressful, and practically inexistant . I have fought against using a mac for
12 years, but if this issues is not worked out ,I will be forced to buy a
new computerand it will be a mac .I hope many other people who are certainly
losing between 500 and 1000 dollars per installation (on money we cannot
afford to lose) will do the same!
my system asus p5b-e /pentium 4 double core /over 2000 ram/ 2 sata 3
drives of 300 gb/ asus eax 1950 graphic card with 256 mb/ and nothing
works with vista!!! can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong and it would
resectful if someone from microsoft would apologise publically for the stress
they are causing me as as well as many others. Robert Isaac

I know you are an expert, but you have trouble upgrading Vista on one
machine, and you spend 1000 dollars?! Wait, if your system is OK (you
are blaming Vista,) and you have installed systems since early Windows
why can't you get XP installed? I tried Vista Beta 2 on an older, non
Vista compatible machine months ago, and it was a disaster, and all I
did was plop the XP cd in and reboot, reformat and reinstall. If you
can't install XP how do you know it isn't a major hardware issue, like
the Motherboard you put in, or something else. If it is just Vista,
then you should be able to get XP up and running. I would do that
first, and then try Vista again. But don't spend anymore money.

 

[boe]

While I agree that Vista RTM should have been beta 3 or RC1 they were hell
bent on getting it out near Christmas or to meet some deadline since it got
delayed for so long, Vista isn't total crap. It isn't as great a jump as
95 was or 2000 was though either. It is in no way polished that is for
sure and for some reason many hardware and apps vendors are not even close
to being ready with vista ready drivers and apps - which pretty much makes
Vista useless for a lot of people such as yourself (and probably 80% of the
world IMO). I desperately tried to be a beta tester for Vista, Office,
Exchange 2007, BCM but MS doesn't let everyone join at any time I missed
out on giving my suggestions for OS and software improvements. I would
love to give them feedback but that isn't the way it worked out. I've left
plenty of feedback in their suggestion feedback option in office but so far
not a single suggestion has received any consideration from MS from what I
can see. The problem is that everyone goes to these newsgroups and I
gree - it would be so easy if MS paid some people to search for common
complaints/suggestions to be put in the patch list but that isn't the way it
works. I think it would be great if the MVPs were given some special
direct ear to MS so that they could pass on some suggestions/requests that
have been posted here.

I have an epson r800 and from what I can see Epson isn't bothering to make
Vista drivers so I'll probably need to replace my printer if I want to move
to Vista as my main OS. Sonicwall won't have a VPN client for about 5
months so I can't use Vista to remote into my office so I can't use it as my
main OS. Nero doesn't work properly on Vista - a program I use a great
deal. IE7 crashes on a regular basis and restarts in Vista (haven't seen
that as much with IE7 for Windows XP). Flash and Java aren't ready for the
64 bit version of IE7, many active x controls don't work properly under IE7
64, DIVX doesn't work properly under Vista, Creative, nVidia and ATI still
really only have Beta drivers for Vista - I'd consider them pretty much the
biggest name in standar peripherals. The fact is unless you enjoy learning
how to resolve issues, being an early adopter for Vista is going to suck.
While MS isn't responsible for developing apps for other companies or
drivers, the frequent changes they made to Vista have left many companies
scrambling to make changes. Unfortunately some companies aren't
scrambling, they waited till the last minute and may not even provide
patches for their current software/hardware to run under Vista. A great
deal of "let the buy beware" stickers should be put on the Vista retail box.

If you enjoy the challenge as I do to some degree, you'll treat it as a
puzzle, not as a final tool/platform. I'd say in about 6 months after many
new drivers have been released, many apps upgraded, many fixes applied to
Windows and Office, Vista will be pretty good - two years from now when SP2
is out it will probably be very good. I won't be recommending that anyone
upgrade to it in the next year or two if they already have XP unless they
have to play DX10 games. There are better/less restrictive Linux HTPC
options so I wouldn't use Vista for that either. The truth is unless there
is some software package you use that only works well in Vista, there is no
need to upgrade to Vista for 95% of the world - again IMO. Who knows
someone may figure out how to get DX10 to work in XP though. MS has
claimed a number of things wouldn't work in legacy OSs and yet somehow
individuals not working for MS figured out how to make them work.

 

[Lang Murphy]

Simply put, it sounds like you have a driver issue. Not up to me to help you
identify it. Not with the info you've posted thus far, anyway. Don't mean to
sound harsh, and I'm not intimating you're not the pc expert you claim to
be... but... anyway, sounds like a driver issue.

Lang

 

[Roscoe]

Better yet, sell it on ebay.

Don't throw out. Send to me.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!