IE is far the best browser

[Bruce Chambers]

Do Firefox and Opera allow access to Windows Update?

Haven't trued Opera, but I can say that Firefox doesn't support _any_
pages the use/require ActiveX controls, which includes Windows Update.

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[Bruce Chambers]

Will Denny wrote:




No, because Microsoft *actively* prevents them from doing so.
That's something out of Firefox's/Opera's control, and not an
indication of their worth. Any web page can deny access to any
browser if it's been told to do so.

Just how, exactly, did Microsoft prevent the developers of Firefox from
making their product support ActiveX?


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[Bruce Chambers]

With XP SP2 and even Windows 2000, you can get your updates
automatically, no need for Windows Update via IE any more.

True, but only an inexperienced, totally naive user would even think
about allowing his/her system to be updated automatically.

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[Bruce Chambers]

If ie6 is so wonderful than why am i always having to get rid of spyware and
other junk after my kids go on the computer?

Not really anyhing to do with IE. Why do you give your children free
rein to install anything they like? Why do you have your security
configuration set so low that "drive-by" installations can happen?
Don't blame Microsoft because they trusted you to learn how to manage
your own computer and your own children.

Neither adware nor spyware, collectively known as scumware,
magically install themselves on anyone's computer. They are almost
always deliberately installed by the computer's user, as part of some
allegedly "free" service or product.

While there are some unscrupulous malware distributors out there,
who do attempt to install and exploit malware without consent, the
majority of them simply rely upon the intellectual laziness and
gullibility of the average consumer, counting on them to quickly click
past the EULA in his/her haste to get the latest in "free" cutesy
cursors, screensavers, "utilities," and/or wallpapers.

If you were to read the EULAs that accompany, and to which the
computer user must agree before the download/installation of the
"screensaver" continues, most adware and spyware, you'll find that
they _do_ have the consumer's permission to do exactly what they're
doing. In the overwhelming majority of cases, computer users have no
one to blame but themselves.

There are several essential components to computer security: a
knowledgeable and pro-active user, a properly configured firewall,
reliable and up-to-date antivirus software, and the prompt repair (via
patches, hotfixes, or service packs) of any known vulnerabilities.

The weakest link in this "equation" is, of course, the computer
user. No software manufacturer can -- nor should they be expected
to -- protect the computer user from him/herself. All too many people
have bought into the various PC/software manufacturers marketing
claims of easy computing. They believe that their computer should be
no harder to use than a toaster oven; they have neither the
inclination or desire to learn how to safely use their computer. All
too few people keep their antivirus software current, install patches
in a timely manner, or stop to really think about that cutesy link
they're about to click.

Firewalls and anti-virus applications, which should always be used
and should always be running, are important components of "safe hex,"
but they cannot, and should not be expected to, protect the computer
user from him/herself. Ultimately, it is incumbent upon each and
every computer user to learn how to secure his/her own computer.


To learn more about practicing "safe hex," start with these links:

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/default.asp

Home Computer Security
http://www.cert.org/homeusers/HomeComputerSecurity/

List of Antivirus Software Vendors
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;49500

Home PC Firewall Guide
http://www.firewallguide.com/

Scumware.com
http://www.scumware.com/

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[Leythos]

True, but only an inexperienced, totally naive user would even think
about allowing his/her system to be updated automatically.

Not true, in remote management situations, where the client does not
maintain a full-time IT department, it's safer, easier, and less
problematic to do automatic updates every day than it is to not do them,
or to miss them, or to schedule a tech in once a week to check for new
updates.

We've been doing automatic updates on hundreds of systems at clients
locations and not had one problem with them yet.

 

[X_User]

I don't understand what is with all the fuss just because
IE is the best browser doesn't mean those other browser
aren't worth trying, but thats about all they are
worth "Trying" Afterward once you have more commen sense
you will be back to IE , its only natural you will ...

 

[Al Smith]

Wrong question. It should be, "Does Microsoft allow browsers other than IE to access Windows Update?"

Bingo. These poor Micro-surfs don't even realize that they've got
a rope around their necks.

 

[Leythos]

I don't understand what is with all the fuss just because
IE is the best browser doesn't mean those other browser
aren't worth trying, but thats about all they are
worth "Trying" Afterward once you have more commen sense
you will be back to IE , its only natural you will ...

Nice Trolling, hope you grow up.

 

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/LarryLOOK/ said:

If ie6 is so wonderful than why am I always having to get rid of spyware and
other junk after my kids go on the computer?

Firebox and other Gecko-based browsers are generally more secure (in part
due to the fact that they are less of a target) and more customizable then
I.E., which should always been left intact - as a second choice.

But your issue is that kids inevitably do their thing - no matter what
client is being used. One way to easily erase any damage that they may
cause is to IMAGE the partition prior to their fiddling - when things are
working as you like.

After the PC is used by others, simply restore the image. Takes only
minutes. All (every setting, every configuration) will be as it was, with
no remnant of programs, viruses or malware that may have climbed aboard
since the image was made. A valuable tool that will put your mind at ease...

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com (Image for Windows)
http://ghost.com
http://acronis.com/products/trueimage/

 

[X_User]

Leythos I don't understand as to why you feel you need to
lie , Its you that needs to grow up ... Saying garbage
like Firefox is faster then IE ... Does it make you feel
better to lie, I'm just curious ? Everyone knows that IE
is faster , Or do you have some sore of interest as why
you feel you need to lie and say that Firefox is faster ?
You know your statement isn't even close as to being
truthful ... So who are you kidding ?

 

[Raymond J. Johnson Jr.]

Pray tell - how would you accomplish this??

Directions please!

Follow the thread. There is nothing in any third-party browser which
prevents accessing Windows Update; it's MS and WU that do the
preventing. So the answer to Will's question, "Do Firefox and Opera
allow access to Windows Update?" is "Yes" but MS prevents them from
being successfull at it.

 

[Dude2]

The way i see it , Firefox and Opera are for more advance
user because you have to learn how to configure these
browser with plug in and you need to know how to tweak
them as well , You don't expect an novices user or
beginner to understand how its done , Now do you ? No!...
So IE simple and easy to use , and faster... Now all you
need is a few programs like a firewall , anti-virus
program and maybe a spyblocker and you are safe while
using IE ... Though its a shame these advance user can't
seem to do such with IE , Oh well i guess they will never
learn

 

[Novice]

Hey if Internet Explorer is so bad , Can anyone provide
some prove because i have never read any article where IE
has cause any harm to an user ... So is there any article
where someone have harm done to them by using IE ? TIA

 

[dev]

/Novice/ said:

Hey if Internet Explorer is so bad , Can anyone provide
some prove because i have never read any article where IE
has cause any harm to an user ... So is there any article
where someone have harm done to them by using IE ? TIA

Depends upon your definition of "harm"...
Visit http://google.com and search for "I.E. vulnerability"
You will soon get the idea.

 

[Leythos]

Leythos I don't understand as to why you feel you need to
lie , Its you that needs to grow up ... Saying garbage
like Firefox is faster then IE

Listen, I've never said anything that I have not proven myself. I have
FireFox running on more than 200 nodes, and directly use it on 7
PC/Server systems in my office. I have IE on my desktop too. I have
found FireFox to be every bit as fast as IE for most sites.

Maybe you don't understand how to setup your computer, maybe that's the
reason it's slower for you.

 

[Leythos]

The way i see it , Firefox and Opera are for more advance
user because you have to learn how to configure these
browser with plug in and you need to know how to tweak
them as well

If my motherinlaw can do it, without any help, anyone can do it. If you
want to use Plug-ins in IE you have to know how to install them
yourself, not much difference.

Oh, according to MS's own articles on how to SECURE IE, it renders many
sites content unviewable along with ActiveX and javaScripting. With
firefox I don't need ActiveX and javascripting is protected by default.

One last thing, if sites were 99% compliant, they would work with any
browser, not just IE and the others. In the days before kiddies started
coding we had to test websites functionality on multiple client
platforms with multiple versions of each browser.

 

[Leythos]

Hey if Internet Explorer is so bad , Can anyone provide
some prove because i have never read any article where IE
has cause any harm to an user ... So is there any article
where someone have harm done to them by using IE ? TIA

If you can't believe MS and Cert you can't believe anyone
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878

 

[Ken Blake]

In

Hey if Internet Explorer is so bad , Can anyone provide
some prove because i have never read any article where IE
has cause any harm to an user ... So is there any article
where someone have harm done to them by using IE ? TIA

I don't know anyone who has ever claimed that IE itself does any
harm. The issue is that IE has had multiple vulnerabilities and
has allowed other malicious programs to do their dirty work.

If you are concerned about these vulnerabilities, then choose
another browser instead. But be aware that vulnerabilities are
not the exclusive province of IE; other browsers have similar
issues.

Or stay with IE, apply the Microsoft patches as they come out to
close the vulnerabilities, and protect yourself with anti-virus
software, a firewall, and anti-spyware software.

 

[dev]

/Leythos/ said:

Listen, I've never said anything that I have not proven myself. I have
FireFox running on more than 200 nodes, and directly use it on 7
PC/Server systems in my office. I have IE on my desktop too. I have
found FireFox to be every bit as fast as IE for most sites.

Maybe you don't understand how to setup your computer, maybe that's the
reason it's slower for you.

Or perhaps the _perception_ of a speed differential is due to the way in
which pages are rendered. Owing to Network dynamics, it is difficult to
accurately assess relative load speeds. Here, overall, I see little
difference between browsers.

 

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