I want 64 bit

[McG.]

I bought a Toshiba Satellite Turion 64 (TL-58), and it has Vista Home
Premium 32 bit installed. I read MS doesn't support OEM installed OS's. I
take it there are two options;
1. Get Toshiba to send me a Vista Home Premium 'recovery disk set' with the
64 bit edition on it
2. Just buy Vista Home Premium 64 bit (standard, not upgrade) myself and
install it.

Have I missed anything?

TIA,
McG.

 

[Guest]

You bought 32bit; they are not going to give you 64bit recovery disk.
Separate licence!

 

[cvp]

You can borrow a 64-bit DVD (all versions are on the same DVD), install
64-bit Home Premium using your existing key. Some will tell you that
you're not supposed to borrow, but it's just media. The license key is
the thing you pay for (or obtain with your PC)

 

[McG.]

You bought 32bit; they are not going to give you 64bit recovery disk.
Separate licence!

Thought so
McG.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Also, please note there is not upgrade path from 32 to 64 bit Vista, its a
clean install only. So make sure you backup your data before proceeding with
the installation. Also, ensure that your applications and device drivers are
compatible.

 

[Richard G. Harper]

You could ask Toshiba to supply 64-bit software for your system, they may do
so at a discount from buying the software yourself. I wouldn't recommend
buying and installing 64-bit Windows yourself unless you are 100% sure that
Toshiba has 64-bit drivers for your laptop, since it's quite easy to turn a
laptop into a brick if the proper driver support is not available.

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[Sean]

Unless the notebook somehow supports more than 4GB RAM, is there any real
reason to go from 32 to 64? As far as I know the only real benefit has been
the support of memory. In terms of performance, etc.. I never saw anything
to indicate Windows64 would be better. Any info on this?

 

[cvp]

Not so! The license applies to both/either 32-bit and 64-bit (only one
installed at a time). The media is not provided by default.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Agreed, like I said in an earlier post its really for a specific segment of
the market that understands the
capabilities, advantages and disadvantages of using it, the biggest
advantage of all has to be the support for a larger memory address space
that allows you to do more number crunching with scientific, financial and
other engineering applications that use a lot of memory. Hopefully in the
future, more mainstream applications will support the platform and harness
its capabilities, but with the majority of systems coming with 1 to 2 GBs of
memory, and 64 bit really addressing larger amounts up to 128 GBs, you won't
see a lot of apps for now.

 

[cvp]

In fact 4GB RAM is sufficient to show some benefit. But the real
motivation for me was to get prepared for the future, with little or no
downside at the moment, and no need for a later reinstall.

 

[McG.]

Not so! The license applies to both/either 32-bit and 64-bit (only one
installed at a time). The media is not provided by default.

So that means if I came across the media for 64 bit Vista Home Premium, I
could install that instead of what it came with, and activate it with the
current key?
McG.

 

[McG.]

You can borrow a 64-bit DVD (all versions are on the same DVD), install
64-bit Home Premium using your existing key. Some will tell you that
you're not supposed to borrow, but it's just media. The license key is the
thing you pay for (or obtain with your PC)

I understand that. I wonder if that applies to an OEM install of 32 bit
Vista?
McG.

 

[cvp]

Yes. As I have done.

So that means if I came across the media for 64 bit Vista Home Premium, I
could install that instead of what it came with, and activate it with the
current key?
McG.

 

[McG.]

Also, please note there is not upgrade path from 32 to 64 bit Vista, its a
clean install only. So make sure you backup your data before proceeding
with the installation. Also, ensure that your applications and device
drivers are compatible.
--
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Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

Andre, as I understand MS demands for Vista drivers, they have to be both 32
and 64 bit ready. So the hardware should be fine. thing is, it's a
notebook. I'll see what Toshiba can do.
McG.

 

[McG.]

[post re-arranged so I can read it :-( ]

Unless the notebook somehow supports more than 4GB RAM, is there any real
reason to go from 32 to 64? As far as I know the only real benefit has
been the support of memory. In terms of performance, etc.. I never saw
anything to indicate Windows64 would be better. Any info on this?

Some of my major applications have a 64 bit codepath. My desktop is an A64
X2 4800+ with 4 gigs DDR400, 2 x 7800GTX cards in SLI under XP Pro x64.
The multithreading is great, and the 64 bit apps are a lot faster for things
like rendering.
For the laptop, it isn't a big deal. It isn't as fast as the desktop, but
it IS pretty darn fast, still. While it's still new and before I get all
settled in with installing programs and all, I thought I'd see what I could
do to get this one up to 64 bit os also. IF it isn't going to be too much
of a hassle. In another week, it will be too much hassle. I'm enjoying
this full size keyboard and 17" widescreen WXGA screen an awful lot
McG.

 

[McG.]

Agreed, like I said in an earlier post its really for a specific segment
of the market that understands the
capabilities, advantages and disadvantages of using it, the biggest
advantage of all has to be the support for a larger memory address space
that allows you to do more number crunching with scientific, financial and
other engineering applications that use a lot of memory. Hopefully in the
future, more mainstream applications will support the platform and harness
its capabilities, but with the majority of systems coming with 1 to 2 GBs
of
memory, and 64 bit really addressing larger amounts up to 128 GBs, you
won't
see a lot of apps for now.

snip
\>>>>> Have I missed anything?I bought XP Pro x64 almost 2 years ago. It made a difference in some of the
larger 3D apps I use for modeling. So did going from 2 gigs to 4 gigs of
PC3200 dual channel. At a year and a half old, that Gigabyte K8N-SLI mobo
is getting a bit long in tooth. 4 gigs is all it can use. I see new
Gigabyte mobos for the Intel quadcore extremes that support as much as 16
gigs of DDR2-1066. Heck just that mobo, QX6700 and 16 gigs ram would really
improve my render times! :-D
McG.

 

[McG.]

I'm thinking the same thing Richard. So if Toshiba can't supply 64 bit
recovery disks for this laptop model, I'll just settle in with Vista 32 bit
and enjoy it Now, my desktop might be in for a Vista Ultimate 64 bit
treatment! :-D Since XP Pro x64 loves the 4 gigs of ram and X2 4800+,
Vista Ultimate 64 should.
McG.

You could ask Toshiba to supply 64-bit software for your system, they may
do so at a discount from buying the software yourself. I wouldn't
recommend buying and installing 64-bit Windows yourself unless you are
100% sure that Toshiba has 64-bit drivers for your laptop, since it's
quite easy to turn a laptop into a brick if the proper driver support is
not available.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

I bought a Toshiba Satellite Turion 64 (TL-58), and it has Vista Home
Premium 32 bit installed. I read MS doesn't support OEM installed OS's.
I take it there are two options;
1. Get Toshiba to send me a Vista Home Premium 'recovery disk set' with
the 64 bit edition on it
2. Just buy Vista Home Premium 64 bit (standard, not upgrade) myself and
install it.

Have I missed anything?

TIA,
McG.

 

[McG.]

I have a Acer laptop with an turion 64. 1 gig ddr2 533. I ran slow
running ultimate x86 and seems about the same with x64. But I have had
no real problems running x64 on it other then it takes a little longer
to get going from bootup. Its OK ofter that. My desktop x64 ultimate
install runs much much faster. As for other resons to go to x64.
Security! x64 is more secure and runs your hardware more efficiently.
After tommorow I will have my 3rd x64 capable machine. I will use x64
ultimate.

This laptop is a Turion 64 and has 2 gigs ddr2 667 mHz. If Toshiba can
sell me Vista x64 fairly reasonably, I'll get it. If not, I won't
McG.

 

[cvp]

Yes - I have done it for a laptop with an OEM installed 32-bit Vista.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Well, Microsoft did say there is a 9% performance boost in 32 bit apps on
Windows 64-bit.