I want 64 bit

[McG.]

Meh... YMMV...a lot ;-)) I haven't run x86 on the desktop in so long. I
suppose I could wipe that partition or shrink it down to 10 gigs and give
all the space to x64
McG.

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> "Richard G. Harper"

since it's quite easy to turn a
laptop into a brick if the proper driver support is not available.

If by "turn a laptop into a brick" you mean "It's quite easy to
reinstall a 32-bit OS" then you're absolutely correct.

 

[rtk]

I'd read that the instruction set was cleaned up by leaving out a lot of
legacy crap that x86 had to deal with in the early days.

My gut tells me that cpu intensive tasks like rar extraction feels faster,
but I've no empirical data or source.

rtk

 

[Richard G. Harper]

Friend (if that you are), I watched an acquaintance turn a laptop into a
non-functional piece of hardware by installing Windows on it without proper
driver support. Some missing bit of power management let it overheat and
fried at least the CPU.

So I meant what I said. Laptops are finicky beasts and notorious for
problems not experienced with desktops under the best of circumstances. I
would not call this "the best of circumstances".

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[Rick Rogers]

Hi,

Yes, but it would have to be OEM 64-bit media, the key you have will not
activate a retail installation. Simplest solution, as you have suggested
yourself, is to contact Toshiba about this, as they will need to also
provide supporting 64-bit drivers for the system. Without them, installing
Vista x64 will be an exercise in frustration as the system will not work
correctly.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

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My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

 

[cvp]

No it doesn't. As far as I can tell there is no such thing as "OEM
64-bit media" produced by Microsoft. The key is the all-important
factor. Now there may be unique media packages provided from a
particular OEM with extra drivers and bloatware, but that's independent
of the requirements for activation.

 

[McG.]

Hi,

Yes, but it would have to be OEM 64-bit media, the key you have will not
activate a retail installation. Simplest solution, as you have suggested
yourself, is to contact Toshiba about this, as they will need to also
provide supporting 64-bit drivers for the system. Without them, installing
Vista x64 will be an exercise in frustration as the system will not work
correctly.

Thanks,
The drivers and critical system utils are of course a major concern to me in
this, as it is for a laptop. If it was a desktop, I wouldn't even have
asked. I build my own Yep, I'll call Toshiba and ask about 64 bit
Vista availability for this model.
McG.

 

[McG.]

No it doesn't. As far as I can tell there is no such thing as "OEM 64-bit
media" produced by Microsoft. The key is the all-important factor. Now
there may be unique media packages provided from a particular OEM with
extra drivers and bloatware, but that's independent of the requirements
for activation.

There IS OEM 64 bit media, for XP Pro 64 bit Edition. That's the only way
you can buy it. I've bought it both from MS Direct and local computer
shops. Dunno about Vista yet. In this area, I came a learning.
McG.

 

[cvp]

Well I was only talking about Vista, since that was your question.

 

[cvp]

Just to avoid any further confusion: I was stating that, for Vista, the
64-bit OEM Upgrade, the 64-bit OEM Full, and the retail versions were
identical as far as the media is concerned. Only the keys are different.

 

[McG.]

Just to avoid any further confusion: I was stating that, for Vista, the
64-bit OEM Upgrade, the 64-bit OEM Full, and the retail versions were
identical as far as the media is concerned. Only the keys are different.

Right, got that. IIRC I can get a licensed copy of Vista Ultimate 64 bit
for $160 and giving up one of my XP Pro full retail or XP Pro OEM x64
licenses. As in, the Ultimate 64 bit Upgrade. I hope that offer still
holds.
Oh, and that would be for installing on my desktop, not the laptop. The
fact that it IS a laptop means the builder has to supply almost every driver
for it. Especially all motherboard related ones. So for this I'll see
Toshiba.
McG.

 

[cvp]

Even for the laptop, you need to see which support chips are there. For
example, if they're Intel, go to Intel's site for them rather than the
OEM's site. Intel tends to have good up-to-date drivers for all their
chipsets.

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <#[email protected]> "Rick Rogers"

Yes, but it would have to be OEM 64-bit media, the key you have will not
activate a retail installation. Simplest solution, as you have suggested
yourself, is to contact Toshiba about this, as they will need to also
provide supporting 64-bit drivers for the system. Without them, installing
Vista x64 will be an exercise in frustration as the system will not work
correctly.

huh?

There is no such thing as OEM media. Or retail media. Or full media.
Or upgrade media. The *only* difference is the printed label, beyond
that, it's all about the key you use.

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <#$#[email protected]> "Richard G. Harper"

Friend (if that you are), I watched an acquaintance turn a laptop into a
non-functional piece of hardware by installing Windows on it without proper
driver support. Some missing bit of power management let it overheat and
fried at least the CPU.

So I meant what I said. Laptops are finicky beasts and notorious for
problems not experienced with desktops under the best of circumstances. I
would not call this "the best of circumstances".

Then you already had a defective laptop. Even 5+ year old machines had
temperature sensors and would shut down before damage occurred without
driver level interference.

It could just as easily have happened with the proper drivers and the
system running at full capacity.

 

[McG.]

Even for the laptop, you need to see which support chips are there. For
example, if they're Intel, go to Intel's site for them rather than the
OEM's site. Intel tends to have good up-to-date drivers for all their
chipsets.

Guess I could be more clear. If Toshiba doesn't have "Recovery Disks"
already set up for this model of laptop, I'm not going to fool around with
it any further. For a laptops needs and my own, it isn't worth the bother.
If Toshiba does have Recovery Disks for this model in 64 bit flavor, then
it's worth a few bucks and the time to use them and then reinstall my own
software. Simple.
McG.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

I think they removed stuff like Support for Macintosh, NTVDM, POSIX, OS/2
1.x and 16-bit Windows applications, which took a lot of the cruft out and
gave the Windows developers a chance to roam free and optimize the
performance more instead of focusing on compatibility.