How to Save Videos from TV News Websites


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casey.o

I'm trying to save a few videos from a TV station's website. Using XP
and Firefox (older version, 17). I have several video download
extensions installed, which work fine on Youtube, but not on these
videos. I also tried to use IE and K-Meleon. I then installed the FF
extension "Cache Viewer". Using that, I could not find the videos in
cache. I also saved the entire cache, and went thru all 200+ folders
within it, manually. The videos simply do not exist.

Where are they saved on my drive when I view them???????

More importantly, is there some program I can install which will capture
and save ANY video, regardless of it's source on the web?
(Must run on XP, and preferably be free).

Thanks
 
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Henry

Bill said:
I think those sites are notoriously hard to save, but programs such as
Jaksta Media Recorder or Windows Media Recorder could possibly do it, but
neither one is free (we're talking maybe $50 or so here). I seriously
doubt you will find a freebie for such sites as these. (Too much
protection against this)

As for where the file is stored, I believe the incoming stream on these
sites is only stored in partial file segments in the cache, which you can't
use anyways. (Not as one continuous mp4 file or whatever). If you had IE,
you could probably check for that more easily, as I think it's easier to
identify the file if its in the IE cache than the way (and file extensions)
its stored in the FF cache (at least as I recall).
CamStudio will capture just about anything.
 
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Paul

Henry said:
CamStudio will capture just about anything.

When I tested CamStudio, I got an effective frame rate of
7FPS. It may collect "keyframes" at 200Hz, but frames of
data are identical for approximately 30 frames in a row.
Dissection of the video into individual frames, allows
you to determine how it cheats.

And 7FPS isn't good enough for copying an onscreen video.
You'd need to do a lot better than that, for the method
to work worry free.

Paul
 
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Paul

Bill said:
Well, maybe it might work on those sites as a real time recorder, or maybe
not so well, as Paul suggested.

But I think the other two also have the possibility of recording the video
rapidly (i.e. not in a slow real time playback mode), and in a better file
format, like mp4, but I haven't used or checked into this for quite awhile
now. Still, one could give the other two mentioned a trial (they have
trials) and find out.

BTW, I think Jaksta Media Recorder is similar to Replay Media Catcher, but
adding that last one in makes 3 suggestions (all payware), all of which have
some reviews on the net, and apparently are pretty popular.

There is FRAPS (as a screen recorder), but that is commercial.
The trial version is supposed to allow screen capture
for 30 seconds, so you can see how it works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRAPS

Notice that program has a problem with Windows 8 desktop.

"On Windows Vista and Windows 7, the desktop can be captured if
Windows Aero is enabled. Windows 8 game capture works, but not
desktop capture as of version 3.5.99."

Basically, just use an old OS :)

Paul
 
M

micky

I'm trying to save a few videos from a TV station's website. Using XP
and Firefox (older version, 17). I have several video download
extensions installed, which work fine on Youtube, but not on these
videos. I also tried to use IE and K-Meleon. I then installed the FF
extension "Cache Viewer". Using that, I could not find the videos in
cache. I also saved the entire cache, and went thru all 200+ folders
within it, manually. The videos simply do not exist.

Where are they saved on my drive when I view them???????

More importantly, is there some program I can install which will capture
and save ANY video, regardless of it's source on the web?
(Must run on XP, and preferably be free).

Thanks

You don't mention Real Player. I had stopped using that, but when I
dl'd a new version a year or two ago, it would record anything I played.
Even video that a local funeral home provided online, but no way to
record.

It shows the Real logo right next to the window in which the video is
playing, iirc. But wherever it is, you click on it, or right click,
and it will record. I had no trouble finding the file. I probably set
where it should be in Real's settings, and it stores them one at a time,
no hunting through a cache. .
 
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Hot-Text

I'm trying to save a few videos from a TV station's website. Using XP
and Firefox (older version, 17). I have several video download
extensions installed, which work fine on Youtube, but not on these
videos. I also tried to use IE and K-Meleon. I then installed the FF
extension "Cache Viewer". Using that, I could not find the videos in
cache. I also saved the entire cache, and went thru all 200+ folders
within it, manually. The videos simply do not exist.

Where are they saved on my drive when I view them???????

Youtube it a live
No Cache
It's not on save to drive
You Have to Recorder

More importantly, is there some program I can install which will capture
and save ANY video, regardless of it's source on the web?
(Must run on XP, and preferably be free).

I have use RealPlayer on IE 8 to
Recorder TV News Websites

You're Welcome
 
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Hot-Text

Paul said:
When I tested CamStudio, I got an effective frame rate of
7FPS. It may collect "keyframes" at 200Hz, but frames of
data are identical for approximately 30 frames in a row.
Dissection of the video into individual frames, allows
you to determine how it cheats.
And 7FPS isn't good enough for copying an onscreen video.
You'd need to do a lot better than that, for the method
to work worry free.

Paul
Uncheck
Auto Adjust

Then setup

Compressor
CamStudio Lossless Codec v1.0
Quality 100
Set Key Frames Every 200 frames

Framerates
Capture Frame Every 5 millisecond
Playback Rate 200 frames/second

Check ok
 
H

Hot-Text

micky said:
You don't mention Real Player. I had stopped using that, but when I
dl'd a new version a year or two ago, it would record anything I played.
Even video that a local funeral home provided online, but no way to
record.

It shows the Real logo right next to the window in which the video is
playing, iirc. But wherever it is, you click on it, or right click,
and it will record. I had no trouble finding the file. I probably set
where it should be in Real's settings, and it stores them one at a time,
no hunting through a cache. .

You a 100% micky
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

It'd be useful to know which ones; I find DownloadHelper good for many
sites (though not even all of You Tube).
[]
(As others have said, they may not be, not as complete files anyway.)
I've sometimes had _some_ luck with StreamTransport; unfortunately I got
it some years ago, and it isn't obvious where. (I think it may actually
be a much-modified version of an old version of IE, with extras.)
[]
you could probably check for that more easily, as I think it's easier to
identify the file if its in the IE cache than the way (and file extensions)
its stored in the FF cache (at least as I recall).
Indeed - FF doesn't store extensions at all, I think! The "Cacheviewer
Continued" extension helps _somewhat_.
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Hot-Text said:
Paul said:
Henry wrote: []
CamStudio will capture just about anything.

When I tested CamStudio, I got an effective frame rate of
7FPS. It may collect "keyframes" at 200Hz, but frames of
[]
Paul
Uncheck
Auto Adjust

Then setup

Compressor
CamStudio Lossless Codec v1.0
Quality 100
Set Key Frames Every 200 frames

Framerates
Capture Frame Every 5 millisecond
Playback Rate 200 frames/second

Check ok
200 FPS - what are you doing, ballistics analysis or something? Doesn't
that produce huge files (even if a lot of the frames _are_ identical)?
Certainly, for news "footage", I doubt it will be more than 25 frames/50
fields (or 30/60): these days of Skype, 'phones, and general
compression, possibly a lot less. I doubt there's much material
_anywhere_ that uses over 100 FPS, even at HD/UHD/whatever'snext;
certainly for news, it's likely to be a lot less than that.

(Or is it that 200 is the only rate CamStudio does?)
 
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micky

P&M
You don't mention Real Player.

For that matter, you can listen to muic or whatever with Real Player and
keep it running, and whenever there is a video window in a webbrowser,
at least Firefox, the Real logo will be there already. Just click or
right click and it starts recording. It couldnt' be better.

Well, Real could be better because it has no drop down menus and I can
never find anything, but the part where it record from off the web
couldn't be. Oh, I found it. I have version 16.0.1.18,

To check it out again, I went to the trusty funeral home page, first
time in years, and they've made the video screen full screen, about 10
times as large as it was (although the camera is so far away ou still
can't see the speaker's face) , and it may have forced off the real
logo, although I don't know how.

OKAY I WENT TO YOUTUBE AND DIDN'T SEE IT THERE EITHER.

ANY CHANCE THEY GOT RID OF THE FEATURE AND UPDATED ME WHEN I WASN'T
LOOKING?

Maybe I was supposed to start Real before starting FF? I haven't got
time to check on all the possibiities. But I would do that.

I would ask more people about this, and if necessary go to
www.oldverion.com and download every old version in the last 2 or 5
years to find the one which did this. I'd also read Real's descrition
of what enhancmeents each version brought.

I can see why some other people din't like Real's ability to record, but
in this environment, I don't see Real caring much.

It was, and probably is still, perfect.
 
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Hot-Text

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
200 FPS - what are you doing, ballistics analysis or something? Doesn't
that produce huge files (even if a lot of the frames _are_ identical)?
Certainly, for news "footage", I doubt it will be more than 25 frames/50
fields (or 30/60): these days of Skype, 'phones, and general compression,
possibly a lot less. I doubt there's much material _anywhere_ that uses
over 100 FPS, even at HD/UHD/whatever'snext; certainly for news, it's
likely to be a lot less than that.

Setup Cam To:
Region

Recode say video side it 360 px x 360 px


(Or is it that 200 is the only rate CamStudio does?)

No
but I gave you to best
rate for CamStudio
using the Region to Recode the video side

But you can set it to 1 FPS
If you like
 
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Paul

I'm trying to save a few videos from a TV station's website. Using XP
and Firefox (older version, 17). I have several video download
extensions installed, which work fine on Youtube, but not on these
videos. I also tried to use IE and K-Meleon. I then installed the FF
extension "Cache Viewer". Using that, I could not find the videos in
cache. I also saved the entire cache, and went thru all 200+ folders
within it, manually. The videos simply do not exist.

Where are they saved on my drive when I view them???????

More importantly, is there some program I can install which will capture
and save ANY video, regardless of it's source on the web?
(Must run on XP, and preferably be free).

Thanks

I found another toy in the screen capture side
of things (rather than doing it right and just
snagging the video file itself)...

http://www.ghacks.net/2011/07/25/capture-video-with-msi-afterburner/

It's MSI Afterburner, and the reviewer in that article,
claims it is almost as good as FRAPS. The only negative
it got, is not supporting a whole pile of CODECS. And
really, what I want in a capture facility, is just to
get the damn thing to capture the video. Fancy CODECS
can wait for later, in post-processing.

I expect it's going to take a good long while
to get a test environment set up. The funny part,
is the manual doesn't show the screen capture option.
Like it exists in an older version or something.

Paul
 
M

micky

I'm trying to save a few videos from a TV station's website. Using XP
and Firefox (older version, 17). I have several video download
extensions installed, which work fine on Youtube, but not on these
videos. I also tried to use IE and K-Meleon. I then installed the FF
extension "Cache Viewer". Using that, I could not find the videos in
cache. I also saved the entire cache, and went thru all 200+ folders
within it, manually. The videos simply do not exist.

Where are they saved on my drive when I view them???????

More importantly, is there some program I can install which will capture
and save ANY video, regardless of it's source on the web?
(Must run on XP, and preferably be free).

Thanks

It occurred to me to google the problem with my RealPlayer, and indeed t
there is a plug-in to make Real work with FF, and it may be missing.

For some reason someone asked about this in the malwarebytes forum, and
since I just ran MBAM a week ago and quaranteened 150 things, I thought
I'd read it. The first reply is by our own David Lipman.
https://forums.malwarebytes.org/ind...-record-plugin-does-not-appear-in-firefox-22/
Well, unless you run MBAM this link won't help you because they end up
recommending anohter program altogether. VLC. The OP of this url
probably wants to play llinks, not record them, and certainly not links
with only windows,

Come to think of it, I'm the one with trouble. Maybe yours works, or
maybe you don't have Real installed and it will work.

This could be valuable for me.

The plug-in checker https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ says I
have all of these, but the status of all of them is "unknown 1.3.1.2".
I don't know what the numbers mean.

RealDownloader PluginRealDownloader Plugin

RealNetworks(tm) RealDownloader HTML5VideoShim Plug-In (32-bit)
RealNetworks(tm) RealDownloader HTML5VideoShim Plug-In

RealNetworks(tm) RealDownloader PepperFlashVideoShim Plug-In (32-bit)
RealNetworks(tm) RealDownloader PepperFlashVideoShim Plug-In

RealNetworks(tm) RealDownloader Chrome Background Extension Plug-In
(32-bit) RealNetworks(tm) RealDownloader Chrome Background Extension
Plug-In

RealPlayer Download PluginRealPlayer Download Plugin

Anyhow, this is enough time spent for me until you try to use Real AND
it doesn't work. It probably will and it's perfect.
 
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Paul

Paul said:
I found another toy in the screen capture side
of things (rather than doing it right and just
snagging the video file itself)...

http://www.ghacks.net/2011/07/25/capture-video-with-msi-afterburner/

It's MSI Afterburner, and the reviewer in that article,
claims it is almost as good as FRAPS. The only negative
it got, is not supporting a whole pile of CODECS. And
really, what I want in a capture facility, is just to
get the damn thing to capture the video. Fancy CODECS
can wait for later, in post-processing.

I expect it's going to take a good long while
to get a test environment set up. The funny part,
is the manual doesn't show the screen capture option.
Like it exists in an older version or something.

Paul

I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news first.

When I try to capture Flash video with MSI Afterburner,
I get an "orange" frame and the duration of the captured
video is zero seconds. It's like the interface is blocked.

Now, when I play a movie in VLC (which of course, nobody
would ever care about), the Afterburner works great. The
Afterburner package comes in two pieces. And it's a
RivaTuner server software which has the video capture
engine in it. If you install that portion at install time,
then the video capture option appears in settings.

I cranked all the knobs as far as they would go. I disabled
the frame rate limit. I set the resolution to 16:10 900p
for my 1440x900 monitor. So I could capture the whole screen.
With a CODEC of "none" selected, no compression on the fly,
it would capture data at 250MB/sec. Later, doing properties
on the movie, it said the frame rate was 120.0 frames per second.
Maybe it's recording in 4:2:2 mode or something.

The deal remains as it always has. Video cards have multiple
render planes. The 2D desktop is one thing to be captured.
The 3D surface that games render in, is a separate surface.
There is the annotation plane (original movie surface) and
also VMR7/VMR9 surfaces for movies. FRAPs was claimed to
handle three surfaces when it came out, but with Flash
gaining hardware acceleration after the introduction of
FRAPS, who knows where Flash puts its stuff. And with
PVP (protected video path) capabilities, I think even
portions of GPU memory can be made off-limits. All
in the name of DRM.

So if you put several hard drives in RAID0, and your
movie is not playing in Flash, you might get lucky and
be able to capture it at 250MB/sec. Which is better than
the performance of CamStudio. My idea was, to find a platform
without a compressing CODEC in the path, to see if a decent
sink rate for storage, would allow a higher frame rate.
And the MSI Afterburner did that for me. But FRAPS might
still have it beat, depending on what surfaces FRAPS can
now capture.

Maybe someone else can test FRAPS for me :) That's enough
testing for now. The trial of FRAPS will collect video
for 30 seconds, which should be sufficient to see whether
it's a worthwhile product.

Paul
 
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Paul

Hot-Text said:
Setup Cam To:
Region

Recode say video side it 360 px x 360 px




No
but I gave you to best
rate for CamStudio
using the Region to Recode the video side

But you can set it to 1 FPS
If you like

I set CamStudio 2.7 to Auto Adjust, and the movie
statistics say 20FPS, while the captured rate (while
it was recording), said 15FPS. In the movie itself, this
is the evidence. Each line below, is one frame from the
movie. Notice that the checksum of some adjacent frames
are the same. So the adaptation is "weird", insisting
on keeping the recording rate, slightly slower than the
rate recorded in the video header. This was a region
about 800x400 or so.

95dd67982dee6f1af4a87466f5d2fd2455a4e784 k01966.jpeg x
95dd67982dee6f1af4a87466f5d2fd2455a4e784 k01967.jpeg x
ceae508628e9910c3a2ca63a4414a564c8dcc8d7 k01968.jpeg
7214fd1f4b9ec639a7440880d9161503943ea5df k01969.jpeg
7223fd9358b03f0c5169db644ce86dfce1e1bc89 k01970.jpeg
307643e61eae494ab5a719a9c17d2e2a40b27079 k01971.jpeg x
307643e61eae494ab5a719a9c17d2e2a40b27079 k01972.jpeg x
a29ef9f68d8c203b91fae69b8e6da1738abada08 k01973.jpeg
45aa8c5a6a2dfa44eed8845e538009cb841730fe k01974.jpeg
ada80324883f53da693e30e8993d4e68382e69ff k01975.jpeg x
ada80324883f53da693e30e8993d4e68382e69ff k01976.jpeg x
c1be0a2cb203514fb04b157ec43a921e596435c7 k01977.jpeg
69d3a4544b0b06f985e91ad28db01206177ff736 k01978.jpeg
9a2b516eb7a5e7c941bf6bab2e768970f2851bb0 k01979.jpeg
7f1d0c416f43a2aebde0ea76b99358b13ccdfbbf k01980.jpeg x
7f1d0c416f43a2aebde0ea76b99358b13ccdfbbf k01981.jpeg x
55ea1703616967161feb6460a5352201d61c36d5 k01982.jpeg
c61ca455c3a0189c91f5b67933e5b9f6b3bfbfc7 k01983.jpeg
703498313294f9a7a7aee1f9cb15bf1b6ddef2bf k01984.jpeg x
703498313294f9a7a7aee1f9cb15bf1b6ddef2bf k01985.jpeg x
a1bd9085d33758eea66faf21779fafcecc1b841d k01986.jpeg
0459e1a6dcb618c0701aa98ace0bc66cda3f65cb k01987.jpeg
9d0acfe3151843222f81d540f9df9fe81a602659 k01988.jpeg
c5341fb7b65bb537532776a9058a8f563567d66b k01989.jpeg
f9edb9b73e950b819b9cb51582c91fc514ba1466 sha1suma.exe
1a5bbe5176dfffae3ea17a4fe431e88f41435f25 sums.txt

The lines with the "X" at the end, are duplicated
frame. Which ideally should be removed (somehow).

That was captured on my new computer, using Lagarith
Lossless CODEC set to "multithreaded". What I'd like
to try as a test, is no codec at all (raw recording),
but that is not an option.

And the CamStudio FAQ reports the same issue with
video card surfaces. I had to change the rendering plane
in VLC, in order to record the video at all.

I played a Flash video in a browser, and CamStudio
*did* manage to record the video. It also recorded the
mouse cursor, and Task Manager when that popped in
front of the window. The recorded frame rate while
viewing the Flash video was only 13.9FPS or so. So
still not fast enough to make good copies.

Paul
 
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Hot-Text

Paul said:
I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news first.

When I try to capture Flash video with MSI Afterburner,
I get an "orange" frame and the duration of the captured
video is zero seconds. It's like the interface is blocked.

Now, when I play a movie in VLC (which of course, nobody
would ever care about), the Afterburner works great. The
Afterburner package comes in two pieces. And it's a
RivaTuner server software which has the video capture
engine in it. If you install that portion at install time,
then the video capture option appears in settings.

I cranked all the knobs as far as they would go. I disabled
the frame rate limit. I set the resolution to 16:10 900p
for my 1440x900 monitor. So I could capture the whole screen.
With a CODEC of "none" selected, no compression on the fly,
it would capture data at 250MB/sec. Later, doing properties
on the movie, it said the frame rate was 120.0 frames per second.
Maybe it's recording in 4:2:2 mode or something.

The deal remains as it always has. Video cards have multiple
render planes. The 2D desktop is one thing to be captured.
The 3D surface that games render in, is a separate surface.
There is the annotation plane (original movie surface) and
also VMR7/VMR9 surfaces for movies. FRAPs was claimed to
handle three surfaces when it came out, but with Flash
gaining hardware acceleration after the introduction of
FRAPS, who knows where Flash puts its stuff. And with
PVP (protected video path) capabilities, I think even
portions of GPU memory can be made off-limits. All
in the name of DRM.

So if you put several hard drives in RAID0, and your
movie is not playing in Flash, you might get lucky and
be able to capture it at 250MB/sec. Which is better than
the performance of CamStudio. My idea was, to find a platform
without a compressing CODEC in the path, to see if a decent
sink rate for storage, would allow a higher frame rate.
And the MSI Afterburner did that for me. But FRAPS might
still have it beat, depending on what surfaces FRAPS can
now capture.

Maybe someone else can test FRAPS for me :) That's enough
testing for now. The trial of FRAPS will collect video
for 30 seconds, which should be sufficient to see whether
it's a worthwhile product.
Paul


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Paul

Hot-Text said:

There's one more trick to it than is in the video.

You can use the Auto Adjust, but first you unlock the
settings and pretend to set a high manual frame rate. And then
the Auto Adjust will record with respect to that high
frame rate. For example, if I load 60FPS into the manual
setting, then lock the setting by ticking the Auto Adjust,
I can get 32FPS.

One thing I've having problems with, is I was using the
Intel IYUV CODEC. Which as far as I know, doesn't do
compression. On one machine running WinXP, that's where
I get 32-33FPS of actual captured framerate (video
claims it is recorded 60FPS, but only 33 unique frames
are captured per second). On the other machine running
WinXP, CamStudio crashes, implying there is something
wrong with the IYUV codec. I've applied KB977914 to the
affected machine, and that didn't help. And as far as
I know, on the working machine, that's the only security
patch that changed the IYUV_32.dll file.

And rather than construct a RAID array to capture
the data, I'm capturing to a RAM Drive. That gives
me a 4GB place to store video captures, and it's where
I tested and got one program to capture at 250MB/sec
(16 seconds worth). That's to ensure, if not using a
video compression codec, that the disk doesn't hold
back the test results. For practical video recording
(after all these tuning tests are finished), I'd have
to look at the capture datarate, and put together
the right hardware to match the rate. The
best I could do here, is four hard drives in RAID0.

Paul
 
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Hot-Text

Paul said:
There's one more trick to it than is in the video.

You can use the Auto Adjust, but first you unlock the
settings and pretend to set a high manual frame rate. And then
the Auto Adjust will record with respect to that high
frame rate. For example, if I load 60FPS into the manual
setting, then lock the setting by ticking the Auto Adjust,
I can get 32FPS.

One thing I've having problems with, is I was using the
Intel IYUV CODEC.

IYUV is Raw Image
with Raw Audio

1/4 Size of Screen resolution
15 min just Over a 10 Gb
Which as far as I know, doesn't do
compression. On one machine running WinXP, that's where
I get 32-33FPS of actual captured framerate (video
claims it is recorded 60FPS, but only 33 unique frames
are captured per second). On the other machine running
WinXP, CamStudio crashes, implying there is something
wrong with the IYUV codec. I've applied KB977914 to the
affected machine, and that didn't help. And as far as
I know, on the working machine, that's the only security
patch that changed the IYUV_32.dll file.

CamStudio crashes
Need a Big Tamp
For IYUV with Audio

Test 5 min with out Audio
and you seen how big it is
 
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Paul

Hot-Text said:
IYUV is Raw Image
with Raw Audio

1/4 Size of Screen resolution
15 min just Over a 10 Gb


CamStudio crashes
Need a Big Tamp
For IYUV with Audio

Test 5 min with out Audio
and you seen how big it is

It's worse than that. A bit more testing, shows CamStudio
still has a 4GB limit and doesn't have AVI2 capabilities.

I've been able to get real capture rates as high as 60FPS,
but it's not going to do any good if the output file is
corrupted and unusable.

Paul
 

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