How to make a system boot from a PCI IDE Controller?

[Dmitry Kopnichev]

Hello
Please, Help! How to make my Windows XP SP2 boot from a HDD "Samsung
SP2514N" (133mbit/s) connected to PCI IDE Controller "Promise Ultra100 TX2"?
I copied old bootable HDD to the new HDD using "Samsung Disk Manager". I can
boot from the new HDD when I connect it to "Chaintech 6btm" mainboard IDE
controller only. "Chaintech 6btm" mainboard IDE controller is UDMA2
(33mbit/s) only. I tried all possible boot sequences in the mainboard BIOS.
The Windows XP Recovery Console from the CD sees the Windows XP installation
on the new HDD as on disk D:. System does not boot if I set D: as the first
boot drive in the mainboard BIOS.

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

Hello
Please, Help! How to make my Windows XP SP2 boot from a HDD "Samsung
SP2514N" (133mbit/s) connected to PCI IDE Controller "Promise Ultra100 TX2"?
I copied old bootable HDD to the new HDD using "Samsung Disk Manager". I can
boot from the new HDD when I connect it to "Chaintech 6btm" mainboard IDE
controller only. "Chaintech 6btm" mainboard IDE controller is UDMA2
(33mbit/s) only. I tried all possible boot sequences in the mainboard BIOS.
The Windows XP Recovery Console from the CD sees the Windows XP installation
on the new HDD as on disk D:. System does not boot if I set D: as the first
boot drive in the mainboard BIOS.

- How far does the boot process go with the Promise controller?
- What messages do you see on the screen when the boot process fails?

 

[Jonny]

A Promise ide controller is considered a scsi by the bios for booting
purposes. Many, but not all, bios setups have an option to boot from scsi.
The drive letter boot selection in the bios setup is for onboard only.

 

[Dmitry Kopnichev]

Thanks Jonny.
I set to boot from scsi in BIOS. The system still does not see a boot disk.

 

[Dmitry Kopnichev]

Thanks Pegasus.
The boot process stops after successfully initializing HDDs connected to the
"Promise Ultra100 TX2", before starting to boot Windows.
The message says that I should insert a boot disk.

 

[Richard Urban]

It depends upon what type of partition is on the drive. If it is a "primary"
partition, you have to set that partition as "active". There can be only one
active partition at a time and this is the partition the computer boots
from.



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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Yves Leclerc]

Did your load the Promise drivers into Windows?

Thanks Jonny.
I set to boot from scsi in BIOS. The system still does not see a boot disk.

 

[Richard Urban]

Windows drivers being installed, or not, have no bearing on the computer
seeing the drive when it tries to boot. It is a drive/bios/partition type
problem.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Pegasus \(MVP\)]

If all else fails then you may have to walk around the problem by
leaving an old hard disk connected to your motherboard IDE
controller, using it as a boot disk only. If so then it may be
necessary to make some adjustments to your drive letters: If
Windows was installed on drive C: then it must always be visible
on drive C:. If it becomes drive D: due to your boot disk then
it is possible to force it back to C:. Post again if you need further
instructions.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

It depends upon what type of partition is on the drive. If it is a "primary"
partition, you have to set that partition as "active". There can be only one
active partition at a time and this is the partition the computer boots
from.

There can be only one *primary* partition set to "active". A logical
drive within an extended partition may be set "active" at the same
time that a primary partition is set "active". And while a primary
partition is needed for the boot loader (ntldr), its boot menu (boot.ini),
and its environment detector (ntdetect.com), the OS itself may reside
on a logical drive within an extended partition. In short, the following
is more accurate:

"There can be only one 'active' primary partition on a hard drive,
and an 'active' primary partition is needed to contain the boot loader
and its associated files."

It is not necessary that the same "active" primary partition also
contain the OS.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Richard Urban]

It is not necessary that the same "active" primary partition also
contain the OS.

*TimDaniels*

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No it is not, but that is how about 95% (my estimate) of the Windows
computers are set up. The operating system and the boot loader files are on
the same partition.


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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Timothy Daniels]

:



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No it is not, but that is how about 95% (my estimate) of the Windows
computers are set up. The operating system and the boot loader files are on
the same partition.

I recognize that you address that 95% and that your time is short.
But many readers interpret what an MVP writes as the best and
last word on a topic, and when your comments *seem* to restrict
WinXP functions to a commonly-used scenario, it gets interpreted
by that same 95% as the *only* workable scenario. IOW, your
limited description keeps most readers from fully understanding
how their systems *can* work and thereby limits growth of their
technical knowledge. If the charter of Microsoft's newsgroups is
"Give 'em the quick 'n dirty and never mind the full skinny", please
tell us so. On the other hand, these newsgroups could also be used
to educate and to expand technical understanding of the PC systems
we work with everyday. And if that is to be a goal, more than the
"quick 'n dirty" would be appropriate. My comments were in that vein -
to point out the lesser actual restriction.

*TimDaniels*

 

[David Candy]

You are wasting your time here because the posters don't want their technical understanding enhanced. They want their essay submitted on time.

 

[Richard Urban]

I recognize that you address that 95% and that your time is short.
But many readers interpret what an MVP writes as the best and
last word on a topic, and when your comments *seem* to restrict
WinXP functions to a commonly-used scenario, it gets interpreted
by that same 95% as the *only* workable scenario. IOW, your
limited description keeps most readers from fully understanding
how their systems *can* work and thereby limits growth of their
technical knowledge. If the charter of Microsoft's newsgroups is
"Give 'em the quick 'n dirty and never mind the full skinny", please
tell us so. On the other hand, these newsgroups could also be used
to educate and to expand technical understanding of the PC systems
we work with everyday. And if that is to be a goal, more than the
"quick 'n dirty" would be appropriate. My comments were in that vein -
to point out the lesser actual restriction.

*TimDaniels*

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The OP asked nothing about that so why bring it up? Now, if the OP had asked
if the operating system "had" to be on the same partition as the boot loader
files, I would have said no - and then explained a bit more. But he DIDN'T,
did he?

A person learns at his/her own rate, which may be different than yours and
mine. When a person finally gets around to thinking about things like that,
he will come back and ask the question. Tell a person before they are ready
to absorb the information and that information will be soon forgotten.


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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Timothy Daniels]

The OP asked nothing about that so why bring it up?
[.............] Tell a person before they are ready to absorb
the information and that information will be soon forgotten.

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

You forget that there are hundreds of readers besides the
original poster for each of your replies - both currently and
via Google.com newsgroup archives. If they read that there
is more than what was asked for, they might be shown how to
get more utility from their systems than they now know is possible.
Learning is a repetitive process - the more you hear about
something, the more likely it will resonate in the future when
you're confronted with a problem. That's why *I* read these
newsgroups - I hope to learn something.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Richard Urban]

I can get into editing the registry in almost every answer to a question on
how to adjust this or that. Do you think I should? I think not, especially
when a few mouse clicks will do the same thing. Why bog down someone's mind
with crap he doesn't need at the time.

As for the other 50 people reading the post, if they want more - they will
ask for more. They are obviously ready to absorb it.

I could sit down with you for half an hour and give you so much information
on machine controls that your head would spin. If I asked you five questions
a half an hour later you would be hard pressed to answer even one.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

The OP asked nothing about that so why bring it up?
[.............] Tell a person before they are ready to absorb
the information and that information will be soon forgotten.

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

You forget that there are hundreds of readers besides the
original poster for each of your replies - both currently and
via Google.com newsgroup archives. If they read that there
is more than what was asked for, they might be shown how to
get more utility from their systems than they now know is possible.
Learning is a repetitive process - the more you hear about
something, the more likely it will resonate in the future when
you're confronted with a problem. That's why *I* read these
newsgroups - I hope to learn something.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

I could sit down with you for half an hour and give you so much information
on machine controls that your head would spin. If I asked you five questions
a half an hour later you would be hard pressed to answer even one.

Ahhh! But if you'd put them in a newsgroup, I'd know where to look
for the answers!


*TimDaniels*

 

[Richard Urban]

I guess that explains why there are 15 of the same basic question in a 24
hour period - almost every day. Because people come here and read for a
while before they ask the same question a 16th time!

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Dmitry Kopnichev]

Thanks Pegasus.
I wanted to replace the c: disk to a bigger one.

 

[Dmitry Kopnichev]

Thanks Yves.
The Promise does not need any drivers. It worked in Windows for half a year.