How to force download a with Automatic Updates?

[Frank Slootweg]

[XP SP3]

During my travels, I set Automatic Updates on my mini-notebook/UMPC to
"* Turn off Automatic Updates" or "* Notify me but don't automatically
download or install them.".

I do this in order not to incur the possibly severe download costs
(upto 40 US$ per MByte!), while using a mobile/cell-phone connection.

On moments when I *do* have a cheap(er) network connection, I want to
check for updates and possibly download them and possibly install them.

However with Automatic Updates, there does not seem a way to *force* a
download once you have selected the available updates and clicked the
"Download" button.

What happens every time is that when you click Download, the Automatic
Updates icon in the Taskbar either disappears immediately or after a
short time. Sometimes the download finishes hours to days later and you
get a popup saying so, but sometimes the download never occurs.

How can this be fixed?

Note: I do *not* want to use the web-based *Windows* Update facility,
because that uses way too much network overhead and hence unacceptable
cost. (Not to mention that with Windows Update the network connection
should be up (i.e. extra cost) during the actual installation of the
updates, not so with Automatic Updates).

Thanks in advance for any and all responses.

 

[MowGreen [MVP]]

When a request to the update servers is made via Automatic Updates the
system is placed in a queue ... the WindowsUpdate.log [located in
WINDOWS] will show an entry similar to this:

2008-12-11 15:44:46:204 984 c74 DnldMgr Regulation:
{9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77} - Update
5A820C8C-4B9A-48F7-9AAF-7BEDDFCE194C is "Priority" regulated and can NOT
download. Sequence 5460 vs AcceptRate 0.

What you can do, when you have access to the 'cheaper network', is to
turn on AU and wait to be notified. Or, after turning on AU, go to
Start> Run > type in wuauclt /detectnow and then click OK or press Enter.
That will trigger the WindowsUpdate client to connect to the update
servers and see if there are any needed updates.

Then click the AU icon in the Notification area. Click the Details (or
More Details) link of each offered update.
Click the URL to the Microsoft Knowledge Base article.
This will lead to a URL where you can manually download, save, and then
install needed updates.
*Remember* to uncheck all offered updates and then Hide them as they
will be download or reoffered by AU until you install them.

Alternatively, you can visit this page the first and fourth Tuesday of
each month to see all of the updates being pushed out -

Description of Software Update Services and Windows Server Update
Services changes in content for 2008
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/961825

Description of Software Update Services and Windows Server Update
Services changes in content for 2009
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894199


However, out of band security updates can come out any time when they
are viewed by MS as Critically Important, such as the one issued for
Internet Explorer last month:

MS08-078: Security update for Internet Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/960714


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

[XP SP3]

During my travels, I set Automatic Updates on my mini-notebook/UMPC to
"* Turn off Automatic Updates" or "* Notify me but don't automatically
download or install them.".

I do this in order not to incur the possibly severe download costs
(upto 40 US$ per MByte!), while using a mobile/cell-phone connection.

On moments when I *do* have a cheap(er) network connection, I want to
check for updates and possibly download them and possibly install them.

However with Automatic Updates, there does not seem a way to *force* a
download once you have selected the available updates and clicked the
"Download" button.

What happens every time is that when you click Download, the Automatic
Updates icon in the Taskbar either disappears immediately or after a
short time. Sometimes the download finishes hours to days later and you
get a popup saying so, but sometimes the download never occurs.

How can this be fixed?

Note: I do *not* want to use the web-based *Windows* Update facility,
because that uses way too much network overhead and hence unacceptable
cost. (Not to mention that with Windows Update the network connection
should be up (i.e. extra cost) during the actual installation of the
updates, not so with Automatic Updates).

Thanks in advance for any and all responses.

 

[R. McCarty]

Maybe you need to use Windows Update and load the newer version
which is referred to as "Microsoft Update". Once you've gotten the new
code in place then check and see if the downloads operate correctly.
Just go to http://update.microsoft.com
& follow the instructions to upgrade to the latest version. This would be
a single time use of the web based update.

Just use Services.Msc to Disable the "Automatic Updates" service. XP
gets it updates on the 2nd Tuesday of every month. Unless you use the
program Windows Defender there are almost no interim patches. Daily
updates for Windows Defender do load thru Automatic Updates or the
notification. Also with Automatic Updates running every time you boot
the PC it will quietly in the background go check for available updates.

Just remember to manually start Automatic Updates on the 2nd Tuesday
and get the updates when you not on metered service.

That for your responzse, but disabling Automatic Updates is not a/the
problem, *forcing* a *download* is.

Even when I would do what you say - which I am actually doing right
*now*, because it is that time of the month - I can not *force* a
download and have to wait patiently for *days* to see *if* the marked
updates will happen to download. I've already been busy with this since
this morning (it's now 21:00+ here) and it *still* has not downloaded
the marked updates! (And as I said, that's what happens every time.)

So basically the "Automatic" and "Download updates for me, but let me
choose when to install them." settings are working, but the "Notify me
but don't automatically download or install them." is *not* working,
because the Dowload button is - effectively - not working.

[XP SP3]

During my travels, I set Automatic Updates on my mini-notebook/UMPC to
"* Turn off Automatic Updates" or "* Notify me but don't automatically
download or install them.".

I do this in order not to incur the possibly severe download costs
(upto 40 US$ per MByte!), while using a mobile/cell-phone connection.

On moments when I *do* have a cheap(er) network connection, I want to
check for updates and possibly download them and possibly install them.

However with Automatic Updates, there does not seem a way to *force* a
download once you have selected the available updates and clicked the
"Download" button.

What happens every time is that when you click Download, the Automatic
Updates icon in the Taskbar either disappears immediately or after a
short time. Sometimes the download finishes hours to days later and you
get a popup saying so, but sometimes the download never occurs.

How can this be fixed?

Note: I do *not* want to use the web-based *Windows* Update facility,
because that uses way too much network overhead and hence unacceptable
cost. (Not to mention that with Windows Update the network connection
should be up (i.e. extra cost) during the actual installation of the
updates, not so with Automatic Updates).

Thanks in advance for any and all responses.

 

[R. McCarty]

Mow would be the one to answer that question. I seem to remember
there is a return path back to update.microsoft.com but I'm not sure.

Hmmm! That looks promising!

Do you know if it is possible to go *back* from "Microsoft Update" to
the 'old' Automatic Updates / Windows Update combination?

I ask this because, if "Microsoft Update" does not do what I need/want,
I need/want to be able to get back to the old functionality, which is at
least somewhat working.

Maybe you need to use Windows Update and load the newer version
which is referred to as "Microsoft Update". Once you've gotten the new
code in place then check and see if the downloads operate correctly.
Just go to http://update.microsoft.com
& follow the instructions to upgrade to the latest version. This would be
a single time use of the web based update.

Just use Services.Msc to Disable the "Automatic Updates" service. XP
gets it updates on the 2nd Tuesday of every month. Unless you use the
program Windows Defender there are almost no interim patches. Daily
updates for Windows Defender do load thru Automatic Updates or the
notification. Also with Automatic Updates running every time you boot
the PC it will quietly in the background go check for available
updates.

Just remember to manually start Automatic Updates on the 2nd Tuesday
and get the updates when you not on metered service.

That for your responzse, but disabling Automatic Updates is not a/the
problem, *forcing* a *download* is.

Even when I would do what you say - which I am actually doing right
*now*, because it is that time of the month - I can not *force* a
download and have to wait patiently for *days* to see *if* the marked
updates will happen to download. I've already been busy with this since
this morning (it's now 21:00+ here) and it *still* has not downloaded
the marked updates! (And as I said, that's what happens every time.)

So basically the "Automatic" and "Download updates for me, but let me
choose when to install them." settings are working, but the "Notify me
but don't automatically download or install them." is *not* working,
because the Dowload button is - effectively - not working.

[XP SP3]

During my travels, I set Automatic Updates on my mini-notebook/UMPC
to
"* Turn off Automatic Updates" or "* Notify me but don't
automatically
download or install them.".

I do this in order not to incur the possibly severe download costs
(upto 40 US$ per MByte!), while using a mobile/cell-phone
connection.

On moments when I *do* have a cheap(er) network connection, I want
to
check for updates and possibly download them and possibly install
them.

However with Automatic Updates, there does not seem a way to
*force* a
download once you have selected the available updates and clicked
the
"Download" button.

What happens every time is that when you click Download, the
Automatic
Updates icon in the Taskbar either disappears immediately or after a
short time. Sometimes the download finishes hours to days later and
you
get a popup saying so, but sometimes the download never occurs.

How can this be fixed?

Note: I do *not* want to use the web-based *Windows* Update
facility,
because that uses way too much network overhead and hence
unacceptable
cost. (Not to mention that with Windows Update the network
connection
should be up (i.e. extra cost) during the actual installation of the
updates, not so with Automatic Updates).

Thanks in advance for any and all responses.

 

[Mick Murphy]

OK Frank.
That is the way I do my monthly updates.
Clicking on the link in the updates list, takes you to the page describing
the update.
As you scroll down that page, there is the download link to click for your
particular OS.
Click on that, and it takes you to the direct download page.

Cheers.
--
Mad Mike

Thanks Mow and Mick!

I will try your methods the next time.

I already used the Off -> Notify only -> Off method which Mick (more
or less) described, and that seems to work (for the notification part).

Next time, I will use your (Mow) "wuauclt /detectnow" trick for the
notification part.

And then I will try your(/Mick's) method:

Then click the AU icon in the Notification area. Click the Details (or
More Details) link of each offered update.
Click the URL to the Microsoft Knowledge Base article.
This will lead to a URL where you can manually download, save, and then
install needed updates.

BTW, are you sure there isn't another way to force a download of the
selected updates?

I ask this, because Vista *does* have this functionality, i.e. in
Vista I can click "Check for updates" and if there are updates, I can
select them and then click "Install" and then they are downloaded and
installed. (That does not fully solve the network-needed-during-install
problem, but once the download is finished, I could disconnect the
network (which is not possible with the web-based Windows Update in XP).

So the update *servers* can handle a forced download. So the problem
is in the XP Automatic Updates part.

When a request to the update servers is made via Automatic Updates the
system is placed in a queue ... the WindowsUpdate.log [located in
WINDOWS] will show an entry similar to this:

2008-12-11 15:44:46:204 984 c74 DnldMgr Regulation:
{9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77} - Update
5A820C8C-4B9A-48F7-9AAF-7BEDDFCE194C is "Priority" regulated and can NOT
download. Sequence 5460 vs AcceptRate 0.

What you can do, when you have access to the 'cheaper network', is to
turn on AU and wait to be notified. Or, after turning on AU, go to
Start> Run > type in wuauclt /detectnow and then click OK or press Enter.
That will trigger the WindowsUpdate client to connect to the update
servers and see if there are any needed updates.

Then click the AU icon in the Notification area. Click the Details (or
More Details) link of each offered update.
Click the URL to the Microsoft Knowledge Base article.
This will lead to a URL where you can manually download, save, and then
install needed updates.
*Remember* to uncheck all offered updates and then Hide them as they
will be download or reoffered by AU until you install them.

Alternatively, you can visit this page the first and fourth Tuesday of
each month to see all of the updates being pushed out -

Description of Software Update Services and Windows Server Update
Services changes in content for 2008
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/961825

Description of Software Update Services and Windows Server Update
Services changes in content for 2009
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894199


However, out of band security updates can come out any time when they
are viewed by MS as Critically Important, such as the one issued for
Internet Explorer last month:

MS08-078: Security update for Internet Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/960714


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

[XP SP3]

During my travels, I set Automatic Updates on my mini-notebook/UMPC to
"* Turn off Automatic Updates" or "* Notify me but don't automatically
download or install them.".

I do this in order not to incur the possibly severe download costs
(upto 40 US$ per MByte!), while using a mobile/cell-phone connection.

On moments when I *do* have a cheap(er) network connection, I want to
check for updates and possibly download them and possibly install them.

However with Automatic Updates, there does not seem a way to *force* a
download once you have selected the available updates and clicked the
"Download" button.

What happens every time is that when you click Download, the Automatic
Updates icon in the Taskbar either disappears immediately or after a
short time. Sometimes the download finishes hours to days later and you
get a popup saying so, but sometimes the download never occurs.

How can this be fixed?

Note: I do *not* want to use the web-based *Windows* Update facility,
because that uses way too much network overhead and hence unacceptable
cost. (Not to mention that with Windows Update the network connection
should be up (i.e. extra cost) during the actual installation of the
updates, not so with Automatic Updates).

Thanks in advance for any and all responses.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:29:11 PM, and on a
whim, Frank Slootweg pounded out on the keyboard:

That for your responzse, but disabling Automatic Updates is not a/the
problem, *forcing* a *download* is.

Even when I would do what you say - which I am actually doing right
*now*, because it is that time of the month - I can not *force* a
download and have to wait patiently for *days* to see *if* the marked
updates will happen to download. I've already been busy with this since
this morning (it's now 21:00+ here) and it *still* has not downloaded
the marked updates! (And as I said, that's what happens every time.)

So basically the "Automatic" and "Download updates for me, but let me
choose when to install them." settings are working, but the "Notify me
but don't automatically download or install them." is *not* working,
because the Dowload button is - effectively - not working.

[XP SP3]

During my travels, I set Automatic Updates on my mini-notebook/UMPC to
"* Turn off Automatic Updates" or "* Notify me but don't automatically
download or install them.".

I do this in order not to incur the possibly severe download costs
(upto 40 US$ per MByte!), while using a mobile/cell-phone connection.

On moments when I *do* have a cheap(er) network connection, I want to
check for updates and possibly download them and possibly install them.

However with Automatic Updates, there does not seem a way to *force* a
download once you have selected the available updates and clicked the
"Download" button.

What happens every time is that when you click Download, the Automatic
Updates icon in the Taskbar either disappears immediately or after a
short time. Sometimes the download finishes hours to days later and you
get a popup saying so, but sometimes the download never occurs.

How can this be fixed?

Note: I do *not* want to use the web-based *Windows* Update facility,
because that uses way too much network overhead and hence unacceptable
cost. (Not to mention that with Windows Update the network connection
should be up (i.e. extra cost) during the actual installation of the
updates, not so with Automatic Updates).

Thanks in advance for any and all responses.

Hi Frank,

On some networks I admin, AU is set as a group policy. When I want to
force an update, I just launch the MS Update or Windows Update from All
Programs, which goes to the site via IE and installs the updates
immediately.

So turn off AU, and when you have cheap internet access, run the WU/MU
via web. I wouldn't know why that shouldn't do exactly what you want.

--
Terry R.

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[Frank Slootweg]

Hi Mick/Mike *and others*,

Today I tried a manual installation of the updates.

One - "Update for Windows Media Format 11 SDK for Windows XP
(KB929399)" - worked OK, but a disadvantage is that a manually installed
update is - quite understandably - not listed by Windows Update's
"Review your update history". So one loses easy access to one's update
history. (Of course most of the history can be retrieved by other means,
from the log file, and "Show updates in "Add or Remove Programs".)

Another - "Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - January 2009
(KB890830)" - caused Internet Explorer to (repeatedly) crash/terminate
when clicking the "Download" button. This was probably caused by some
interaction between Automatic Updates and Internet Explorer (IE was
invoked from AU), because when I tried it later 'outside' AU, i.e. by
copying and pasting the URL into IE, the update could be downloaded
correctly.

Bottom line: So I have a way to do what I want/need.

However losing the easy access to my update history, means that I
probably will use Mow's "wuauclt /detectnow" trick to trigger the
notification part and then see how things go. If it's still too
cumbersome (for me), I'll try to 'upgrade' to Microsoft Update. If
that's still not good enough (for me), I'll switch to manual
installation of the updates.

Thanks to all for your responses and excellent help!

OK Frank.
That is the way I do my monthly updates.
Clicking on the link in the updates list, takes you to the page describing
the update.
As you scroll down that page, there is the download link to click for your
particular OS.
Click on that, and it takes you to the direct download page.

Cheers.
--
Mad Mike

Thanks Mow and Mick!

I will try your methods the next time.

I already used the Off -> Notify only -> Off method which Mick (more
or less) described, and that seems to work (for the notification part).

Next time, I will use your (Mow) "wuauclt /detectnow" trick for the
notification part.

And then I will try your(/Mick's) method:

Then click the AU icon in the Notification area. Click the Details (or
More Details) link of each offered update.
Click the URL to the Microsoft Knowledge Base article.
This will lead to a URL where you can manually download, save, and then
install needed updates.

BTW, are you sure there isn't another way to force a download of the
selected updates?

I ask this, because Vista *does* have this functionality, i.e. in
Vista I can click "Check for updates" and if there are updates, I can
select them and then click "Install" and then they are downloaded and
installed. (That does not fully solve the network-needed-during-install
problem, but once the download is finished, I could disconnect the
network (which is not possible with the web-based Windows Update in XP).

So the update *servers* can handle a forced download. So the problem
is in the XP Automatic Updates part.

When a request to the update servers is made via Automatic Updates the
system is placed in a queue ... the WindowsUpdate.log [located in
WINDOWS] will show an entry similar to this:

2008-12-11 15:44:46:204 984 c74 DnldMgr Regulation:
{9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77} - Update
5A820C8C-4B9A-48F7-9AAF-7BEDDFCE194C is "Priority" regulated and can NOT
download. Sequence 5460 vs AcceptRate 0.

What you can do, when you have access to the 'cheaper network', is to
turn on AU and wait to be notified. Or, after turning on AU, go to
Start> Run > type in wuauclt /detectnow and then click OK or press Enter.
That will trigger the WindowsUpdate client to connect to the update
servers and see if there are any needed updates.

Then click the AU icon in the Notification area. Click the Details (or
More Details) link of each offered update.
Click the URL to the Microsoft Knowledge Base article.
This will lead to a URL where you can manually download, save, and then
install needed updates.
*Remember* to uncheck all offered updates and then Hide them as they
will be download or reoffered by AU until you install them.

Alternatively, you can visit this page the first and fourth Tuesday of
each month to see all of the updates being pushed out -

Description of Software Update Services and Windows Server Update
Services changes in content for 2008
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/961825

Description of Software Update Services and Windows Server Update
Services changes in content for 2009
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894199


However, out of band security updates can come out any time when they
are viewed by MS as Critically Important, such as the one issued for
Internet Explorer last month:

MS08-078: Security update for Internet Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/960714


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============




Frank Slootweg wrote:

[XP SP3]

During my travels, I set Automatic Updates on my mini-notebook/UMPC to
"* Turn off Automatic Updates" or "* Notify me but don't automatically
download or install them.".

I do this in order not to incur the possibly severe download costs
(upto 40 US$ per MByte!), while using a mobile/cell-phone connection.

On moments when I *do* have a cheap(er) network connection, I want to
check for updates and possibly download them and possibly install them.

However with Automatic Updates, there does not seem a way to *force* a
download once you have selected the available updates and clicked the
"Download" button.

What happens every time is that when you click Download, the Automatic
Updates icon in the Taskbar either disappears immediately or after a
short time. Sometimes the download finishes hours to days later and you
get a popup saying so, but sometimes the download never occurs.

How can this be fixed?

Note: I do *not* want to use the web-based *Windows* Update facility,
because that uses way too much network overhead and hence unacceptable
cost. (Not to mention that with Windows Update the network connection
should be up (i.e. extra cost) during the actual installation of the
updates, not so with Automatic Updates).

Thanks in advance for any and all responses.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:54:46 AM, and on a
whim, Frank Slootweg pounded out on the keyboard:

Hi Mick/Mike *and others*,

Today I tried a manual installation of the updates.

One - "Update for Windows Media Format 11 SDK for Windows XP
(KB929399)" - worked OK, but a disadvantage is that a manually installed
update is - quite understandably - not listed by Windows Update's
"Review your update history". So one loses easy access to one's update
history. (Of course most of the history can be retrieved by other means,
from the log file, and "Show updates in "Add or Remove Programs".)

Another - "Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - January 2009
(KB890830)" - caused Internet Explorer to (repeatedly) crash/terminate
when clicking the "Download" button. This was probably caused by some
interaction between Automatic Updates and Internet Explorer (IE was
invoked from AU), because when I tried it later 'outside' AU, i.e. by
copying and pasting the URL into IE, the update could be downloaded
correctly.

Bottom line: So I have a way to do what I want/need.

However losing the easy access to my update history, means that I
probably will use Mow's "wuauclt /detectnow" trick to trigger the
notification part and then see how things go. If it's still too
cumbersome (for me), I'll try to 'upgrade' to Microsoft Update. If
that's still not good enough (for me), I'll switch to manual
installation of the updates.

Thanks to all for your responses and excellent help!

Hi Frank,

When you go to the MU site, there is an Options pane on the left and you
can click on "Review your update history" from there.

--
Terry R.

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[Frank Slootweg]

The date and time was Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:54:46 AM, and on a
whim, Frank Slootweg pounded out on the keyboard:


Hi Frank,

When you go to the MU site, there is an Options pane on the left and you
can click on "Review your update history" from there.

Yes, I know, and said so (for WU, not MU), but that does not list
updates which were *manually* installed. It lists only the updates which
were installed by AU/WU/MU.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:47:26 PM, and on a
whim, Frank Slootweg pounded out on the keyboard:

Yes, I know, and said so (for WU, not MU), but that does not list
updates which were *manually* installed. It lists only the updates which
were installed by AU/WU/MU.

Not for me in MU. They are all listed there. I install manually on
systems all the time, and I can check those at any time. If you get the
"Succeeded" notation at the end of an update, it will be available to
view in the history.

--
Terry R.

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[Frank Slootweg]

The date and time was Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:47:26 PM, and on a
whim, Frank Slootweg pounded out on the keyboard:


Not for me in MU. They are all listed there. I install manually on
systems all the time, and I can check those at any time. If you get the
"Succeeded" notation at the end of an update, it will be available to
view in the history.

Hmmm! The update I manually installed is not listed in Windows Update
and not in Microsoft Update.

BUT, I manually installed only *one* update, and perhaps it was a
special case.

I intentionally used an 'innocent' update, because this was my first
manual installation of an update, i.e. I did not want to try an
important one like a Security Update for Windows XP.

The update which I manually installed was:

Update for Windows Media Format 11 SDK for Windows XP (KB929399)

File windowsmedia11-kb929399-v2-x86-intl.exe.

URL: <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929399>

The update *is* listed in "Add or Remove Programs" with "Show updates"
ticked. BUT, it is listed as:

Hotfix for Windows Media Format 11 SDK for Windows XP (KB929399)

Perhaps a hotfix or/and the Windows Media Format 11 SDK are an
exception?

Anyway, over time, I will keep an eye on this and see whether or not
other manually installed updates are listed by MU or/and WU. I have an
old XP machine to play with, so I can keep my regular travel
mini-notebook 'clean'.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Friday, January 16, 2009 7:26:41 AM, and on a
whim, Frank Slootweg pounded out on the keyboard:

Hmmm! The update I manually installed is not listed in Windows Update
and not in Microsoft Update.

BUT, I manually installed only *one* update, and perhaps it was a
special case.

I intentionally used an 'innocent' update, because this was my first
manual installation of an update, i.e. I did not want to try an
important one like a Security Update for Windows XP.

The update which I manually installed was:

Update for Windows Media Format 11 SDK for Windows XP (KB929399)

File windowsmedia11-kb929399-v2-x86-intl.exe.

URL: <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929399>

The update *is* listed in "Add or Remove Programs" with "Show updates"
ticked. BUT, it is listed as:

Hotfix for Windows Media Format 11 SDK for Windows XP (KB929399)

Perhaps a hotfix or/and the Windows Media Format 11 SDK are an
exception?

Anyway, over time, I will keep an eye on this and see whether or not
other manually installed updates are listed by MU or/and WU. I have an
old XP machine to play with, so I can keep my regular travel
mini-notebook 'clean'.

Don't know about the name change. Maybe just check for the KB number
instead.

Take care Frank,

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Terry R.

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