How to defrag "recycle folder"?

P

Pamelaj

My C drive fails to completely defrag. When I look at the problem, it's the
"Applications Data" folder, which has LOTS of fragments: over 6,000. I
don't know how or why, but there it is. More digging revealed that one
folder seems to be the problem:

Volume (C
Volume size = 37.24 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 23.21 GB
Free space = 14.02 GB
Percent free space = 37 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 14 %
File fragmentation = 28 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 103,781
Average file size = 331 KB
Total fragmented files = 6
Total excess fragments = 8,267
Average fragments per file = 1.07

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 8,220
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 143 MB
MFT record count = 112,702
Percent MFT in use = 77 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
6,042 701 MB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1203359739-1370267026-2297802955-1007\Dc13\Profiles\tul4qxn6.default\Mail\Local Folders\Personal Folders.sbd\Sent

It looks like the troublesome folder is ONE folder which may be old sent
mail from outlook. Yes, I've saved it for "legal" reasons. I don't want it to
keep messing up my C drive, it can go somewhere else, I just don't want to
lose it.

My question is, what do I do about this folder, which will not defrag, and
which appears to be slowing down my system????
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Pamelaj said:
My C drive fails to completely defrag. When I look at the problem,
it's the "Applications Data" folder, which has LOTS of fragments:
over 6,000. I
don't know how or why, but there it is. More digging revealed that
one
folder seems to be the problem:

Volume (C
Volume size = 37.24 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 23.21 GB
Free space = 14.02 GB
Percent free space = 37 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 14 %
File fragmentation = 28 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 103,781
Average file size = 331 KB
Total fragmented files = 6
Total excess fragments = 8,267
Average fragments per file = 1.07

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 8,220
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 143 MB
MFT record count = 112,702
Percent MFT in use = 77 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
6,042 701 MB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-1203359739-1370267026-2297802955-1007\Dc13\Profiles\tul4qxn6.default\Mail\Local
Folders\Personal Folders.sbd\Sent

It looks like the troublesome folder is ONE folder which may be old
sent
mail from outlook. Yes, I've saved it for "legal" reasons. I don't
want it to
keep messing up my C drive, it can go somewhere else, I just don't
want to
lose it.

My question is, what do I do about this folder, which will not
defrag, and
which appears to be slowing down my system????
Click to expand...

Write it to external media instead of risking it on your computer if you
need to 'save it' for whatever reason.

Makes more sense in many ways. You can still have quick access to it, it is
not taking up space on your computer, you get rid of the 'problem' you are
having now and it is more secure/safe from 'accidents' on permanent external
media (you could even have multiple copies in differing formats if so
desired) than the way you have it now.

And - hate to disappoint you - but it is highly unlikely that *this* is
slowing down your system. ;-)
 
P

Pamelaj

Shenan Stanley said:
Write it to external media instead of risking it on your computer if you
need to 'save it' for whatever reason.

Makes more sense in many ways. You can still have quick access to it, it is
not taking up space on your computer, you get rid of the 'problem' you are
having now and it is more secure/safe from 'accidents' on permanent external
media (you could even have multiple copies in differing formats if so
desired) than the way you have it now.

And - hate to disappoint you - but it is highly unlikely that *this* is
slowing down your system. ;-)
Click to expand...

Thanks for your response! Are we sure that I don't need anything in this
folder on my system for any reason?
 
R

Richard

Defrag might get better results if you close all open applications and
folders, and re-start your computer in Safe Mode, and then defrag while in
Safe Mode, and then re-start normally.
--Richard
 
P

Pamelaj

Richard said:
Defrag might get better results if you close all open applications and
folders, and re-start your computer in Safe Mode, and then defrag while in
Safe Mode, and then re-start normally.
--Richard
Click to expand...
That's a good suggestion -- I'll give it a try. Thanks!
 
G

Gerry

Pamelaj

The Recycle Bin is the bin for rubbish. Dump the rubbish.

Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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G

Gerry

Pamelaj

Are you using Thunderbird?


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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
D

DL

You dont save anything in the recycle bin, the recycle bin is for rubbish
that at some stage you clean out/empty
 
P

Pamelaj

DL said:
You dont save anything in the recycle bin, the recycle bin is for rubbish
that at some stage you clean out/empty
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DL,
Yes, I've cleaned the recycle bin. I'm just confused/concerned about the
recycle FOLDER, which is very largeand is very fragmented. Since it's in
application "data" and I can't see what's IN it, I'm nervous to just delete
it, that's why I'm here asking -- is the recycle FOLDER as useless and
unnecessary as stuff in the recycle bin?
 
P

Pamelaj

Gerry said:
Pamelaj

The Recycle Bin is the bin for rubbish. Dump the rubbish.

Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
Click to expand...
Gerry, I've done the disk cleanup and all of the steps above including
system restore (removing all but last, etc). This did free up a lot of
space. I've done it several times and have THEN run disk defrag. Every time
the program says the C drive is fragmented and needs help, but after working
and working it says it's unable to defrag and shows this "Recycle folder" as
the worst problem.
 
G

Gerry

Pamelaj

Run cCleaner.

cCleaner (freeware) which does a more thorough job than Disk CleanUp.
Disk CleanUp has to be run for each user profile, whereas cCleaner only
needs to be run once.
http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp
http://www.ccleaner.com/

With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you
should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also
offers backup before removal.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
B

Buffalo

Gerry said:
Pamelaj

Run cCleaner.

cCleaner (freeware) which does a more thorough job than Disk CleanUp.
Disk CleanUp has to be run for each user profile, whereas cCleaner
only needs to be run once.
http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp
http://www.ccleaner.com/

With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you
should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also
offers backup before removal.
Click to expand...

Does CCleaner really offer a backup on items it will delete? If so, I can't
find it.
I know it does for its Registry cleanup feature.
Buffalo
 
B

Buffalo

Pamelaj said:
DL,
Yes, I've cleaned the recycle bin. I'm just confused/concerned about
the recycle FOLDER, which is very largeand is very fragmented. Since
it's in application "data" and I can't see what's IN it, I'm nervous
to just delete it, that's why I'm here asking -- is the recycle
FOLDER as useless and unnecessary as stuff in the recycle bin?
Click to expand...


Use Google: I put in recycle folder in xp .
Here are a couple of hits:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/18773-45-recycler-folder

http://ask-leo.com/why_is_there_mor...y_all_empty_when_i_empty_the_recycle_bin.html
 
J

Jim

Pamelaj said:
DL,
Yes, I've cleaned the recycle bin. I'm just confused/concerned about the
recycle FOLDER, which is very largeand is very fragmented. Since it's in
application "data" and I can't see what's IN it, I'm nervous to just
delete
it, that's why I'm here asking -- is the recycle FOLDER as useless and
unnecessary as stuff in the recycle bin?
Click to expand...
The \Recycler\ folder is just another name for the Recycle bin.
Thus, you never put anything in the Recycle bin that you want to keep.
Jim
 
J

Jim

Does CCleaner really offer a backup on items it will delete? If so, I can't
find it.
I know it does for its Registry cleanup feature.
Buffalo
Click to expand...

Tools\system restore .
 
P

Pamelaj

The \Recycler\ folder is just another name for the Recycle bin.
Thus, you never put anything in the Recycle bin that you want to keep.
Jim
Click to expand...
OK -- I think I'm finally becoming reassured! Even Hopeful!
 
P

Pamelaj

K

Keith Wilby

Pamelaj said:
My C drive fails to completely defrag.
Click to expand...

From what I've read in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, defrag is risky and
a complete waste of time.

Keith.
 

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