How do I see my top margin setting in Word's "normal" view?

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Guest

When I select "normal" view in Word, there is no top margin (i.e. my cursor
is flush with the top of the page). However, I'm able to confirm my margin
settings (i.e. Top Margin = 1.0 inches). Also, when I "Print Preview" and
"Print" the selected margins are utilized. I just can't see the top margin
of my page when I'm creating it - Help!
 
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Guest

I'm not sure if this will change the way your page views but have you tried
going to View, and making sure "Ruler" is checked so that rulers appear on
the top and side of your screen? The side ruler will show the top margin.
 
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Bill Foley

Another great reason to always use Print Layout (Page Layout in older
versions) view instead of Normal View.
 
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Beth Melton

Normal view suppresses the margins and there is no way to turn the
margins on in Normal view. If you want to see your margins then go to
View/Print Layout.
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Daiya Mitchell

No, Bill, don't encourage people to use Page Layout View. That's why they
get so confused about shuffling pages, spellchecking footnotes, etc. Normal
View is so much more reflective of how Word operates, it's really a big step
toward knowing what's going on with your document.

Anyhow, if you are just typing, you don't need to see the margins.

Daiya
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

The type of material does make a lot of difference, but for probably 95% of
what I do, I use Normal view 95% of the time.

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Daiya Mitchell

Well, I meant more that if people are interested in using Normal view, don't
make them think it's a bad idea. :) It's often a good idea and for certain
situations, far more useful. I just feel like a lot of confusion about how
Word works arises directly from Page Layout view, hence my immediate dismay
at your enthusiastic endorsement. :) I type a lot more than letters/memos,
but since I don't use images, I don't need to worry about WYSIWYG until I'm
just about done with the doc. Most of the time it breaks down to personal
preference, though.

DM
 
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Bill Foley

No prob! All kinds of personal preference discussions can arise based on
the many number of ways of skinning the same Word cat! Having used Page
(Print) Layout since it was available, I'm not sure what you speak of
regarding "I just feel like a lot of confusion about how Word works arises
directly from Page Layout view"?

Since it is sort of OT, it isn't that big a deal. Just curious.

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Jay Freedman

schuchma said:
When I select "normal" view in Word, there is no top margin (i.e. my
cursor is flush with the top of the page). However, I'm able to
confirm my margin settings (i.e. Top Margin = 1.0 inches). Also,
when I "Print Preview" and "Print" the selected margins are utilized.
I just can't see the top margin of my page when I'm creating it -
Help!
Click to expand...

In addition to all the replies that took your mention of "normal" view
literally... If you have Word 2002 or 2003, and you really meant that you
were looking at Print Layout view (where you expect to see the top margin)
but it isn't visible, then you have Hide White Space turned on.

Move the cursor to the space between pages (or to the thin gray space above
the first page) so the cursor becomes two boxes containing arrows. Click
there. See http://home.earthlink.net/~wordfaqs/WhiteSpace.htm for more info.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

I'm not sure what you speak of
regarding "I just feel like a lot of confusion about how Word works arises
directly from Page Layout view"?
Click to expand...
Because Word doesn't really think in terms of pages, it deals in different
streams of text. Normal View is what is normal for Word, not for us.

So one person posted "word doesn't spellcheck footnotes." Well, Word does,
it just checks all the text in the main body, then goes back and checks all
the notes. In Normal View, footnotes open in a separate pane and it's
completely self-explanatory that this is a separate stream of text. In Page
Layout view, it looks like Word is skipping part of the page, people panic,
post for help....

One person (recently) thought the formatting of his numbered list messed up
at the top of the next page because footnotes interrupted it. Well,
footnotes are in a different stream of text, they aren't interrupting his
list, so he was on a completely wrong track to find a solution. (didn't
post back, though, so I don't know how that worked out)

All the people who ask if they can shuffle pages around like slides in
powerpoint and don't understand why they can't--in Normal View, it's
completely clear that page breaks are shifting and random and often don't
even show up. Normal View users wouldn't even think of that as a question,
I suspect.

"My margins show faded out in page layout view". Well, yeah, because Headers
and Footers are a completely different segment of the doc, that's how Word
works. Again, in Normal View this is pretty self-explanatory, cause you
can't see the margins. You know pretty well there's something very
different about them when Word switches you into Page Layout to mess with
them, the fade is clearly just another piece of that difference.

By the time computer screens were big enough to make Page Layout view
feasible, I was already accustomed to Normal View and didn't switch. But
then when I found the newsgroups (two yrs ago?) and started learning a lot
more about Word, much of it made immediate sense to me because it was just
explaining the behavior I was already seeing.
Since it is sort of OT, it isn't that big a deal. Just curious.
Click to expand...
Yes, but I'm covertly proselytizing for Normal View, I was hoping you would
ask. :) It's not OT for the ng as a whole, anyhow.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

In addition to all the replies that took your mention of "normal" view
literally...
Click to expand...
You're so right, Jay. Of course normal in quotation marks would mean the
truly normal/regular/"looks like a page" view, not Word's Normal View.

Oh, well, interesting diversion anyhow. :)
 
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Guest

It seems like I automatically pop into print view the majority of time.
Perhaps it sounds crazy but I cannot locate a "Normal.dot" file.

joepd
 
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Jezebel

Normal view and normal.dot are entirely different things. Normal VIEW is one
way to display the document, as opposed to Print or Outline view. Normal.dot
is the template on which documents are based by default (ie, unless you
specifically choose a different template). The folder containing it is
usually hidden, so you won't find it unless you tell Windows Explorer or
Search to include hidden folders.
 
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Guest

Thank you all for the response. I wasn't tying Normal View to Normal.dot but
stating two things I'm seeing. 1. I can't seem to stay in Normal view very
long but rather jump into print view without my request and 2. I don't seem
to have a Normal.dot file whether hidden or not. What is the complete path
to Normal.dot?

Thanks

joepd
 
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Guest

Thanks to all who replied. My question was confusing. I was stating two
separate things I am experiencing. 1. I can't seem to stay in Normal mode
long and quickly jump into print layout mode without my requesting it and 2.
I don't seem able to locate a Normal.dot file whether hidden or not. Can
anyone give me the complete path. Thanks again.

Joepd
 
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Graham Mayor

Normal.dot is a hidden file in the folder defined at tools > options > file
locations > user templates.
If you want normal view to remain for all documents regardless of how they
were saved, you need a pair of macros -
http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm

Sub AutoNew()
With ActiveWindow.View
.Type = wdNormalView
.Zoom.Percentage = 100
End With
End Sub

Sub AutoOpen()
ActiveWindow.Caption = ActiveDocument.FullName
With ActiveWindow.View
.Type = wdNormalView
.Zoom.Percentage = 100
End With
End Sub


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Suzanne S. Barnhill

As previously stated, the path to Normal.dot is explained in detail at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/BlankDocNotBlank.htm. I agree that
staying in Normal view is difficult. When you View | Header and Footer, you
will be thrown into Print Layout view, but when you close the header/footer,
you should be back in Normal view. Not so if you try to use any of the
drawing tools, which require that you be in Print Layout view. Formatting
part of a document for multiple columns will also throw you into Print
Layout view. All of this is so that you can see the actual results of what
you have done, none of which are visible in Normal view.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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