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jhon
I tried to post question from OE but couldn't. I can view threads, but can't
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?
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jhon
I mean, in OE, it seems I have posted, message I write goes to Sent box,
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one day.
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one day.
M
Mark L. Ferguson
You are probably clicking "Reply" instead of "Reply Group". Reply sends it
email.
email.
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John Smith
No, I click 'reply group'. And I cannot post new message either.
J
jhon
No I click 'Reply Group', and I cannot post new message either.
But I can post to other newsgroups in same OE (non-microsoft).
But I can post to other newsgroups in same OE (non-microsoft).
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Big_Al
When you pick a message and hit 'reply group', the compose screen comesJohn said:No, I click 'reply group'. And I cannot post new message either.
up. Does it have a news group in the "To:" box?
The only other thing I can suggest is that you use msnews.microsoft.com
as a server and not your provider. Your ISP may have an update problem.
You need no login / password for msnews.
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jhon
Yes, I do use msnews.microsoft.com as a server.
When I 'reply group', or when I post a new message, the compose screen comes
up and it has a news group in the 'To:' box.
Thanks.
When I 'reply group', or when I post a new message, the compose screen comes
up and it has a news group in the 'To:' box.
Thanks.
D
David Webb
Anything stuck in the Outbox?
jhon said:Yes, I do use msnews.microsoft.com as a server.
When I 'reply group', or when I post a new message, the compose screen comes
up and it has a news group in the 'To:' box.
Thanks.
J
jhon
No. It first appears in Outbox, then in 1-2 seconds goes to Sent box. But I
never see it appear in newgroup thenafter. I tried many times on different
msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups. I do have other non-microsoft newsgroup in
which I cannot post, but for that newsgroup message stays in Outbox and I get
failure notice. For this microsoft one, I never get failure but it just
doesn't appear. I can only do it on web.
Does it have anything to do with login? Because I use a fake email in OE.
never see it appear in newgroup thenafter. I tried many times on different
msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups. I do have other non-microsoft newsgroup in
which I cannot post, but for that newsgroup message stays in Outbox and I get
failure notice. For this microsoft one, I never get failure but it just
doesn't appear. I can only do it on web.
Does it have anything to do with login? Because I use a fake email in OE.
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David Webb
It could be your fake address. Some ISPs will not accept any outgoing mail
unless it's from their domain or if the e-mail client is not configured
properly.
Try re-doing your fake address so that domain name is correct and only your user
name is fake.
Also, make sure that you have a correct e-mail address and password in the
property settings in your MAIL account. Do you have any problems sending or
receiving in the mail account? Don't forget that it's your ISP that's sending
out newsgroup messages, so the MAIL settings have to be correct.
unless it's from their domain or if the e-mail client is not configured
properly.
Try re-doing your fake address so that domain name is correct and only your user
name is fake.
Also, make sure that you have a correct e-mail address and password in the
property settings in your MAIL account. Do you have any problems sending or
receiving in the mail account? Don't forget that it's your ISP that's sending
out newsgroup messages, so the MAIL settings have to be correct.
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jhon
Very odd! Just now I posted a reply (which was the same as below) and I saw
it appear in this thread. Now I navigate through 'All Newsgroups by
Language', Windows, XP, 'Start-Help and Support...', it is the same thread
because I saw all previous posts, but my recent reply (as below) disappeared!
To answer David, at the same time I have some other newsgroup, in same OE,
that I can
post or reply, with the same fake email address. So I guess it should not be
the ISP issue.
it appear in this thread. Now I navigate through 'All Newsgroups by
Language', Windows, XP, 'Start-Help and Support...', it is the same thread
because I saw all previous posts, but my recent reply (as below) disappeared!
To answer David, at the same time I have some other newsgroup, in same OE,
that I can
post or reply, with the same fake email address. So I guess it should not be
the ISP issue.
D
David Webb
Comments inline...
This problem is not related to the OE issue. The web based interface should be
avoided, if at all possible.
You say "other newsgroup", is this using the same NNTP server or did you mean
"another NNTP server" ?
jhon said:Very odd! Just now I posted a reply (which was the same as below) and I saw
it appear in this thread. Now I navigate through 'All Newsgroups by
Language', Windows, XP, 'Start-Help and Support...', it is the same thread
because I saw all previous posts, but my recent reply (as below) disappeared!
This problem is not related to the OE issue. The web based interface should be
avoided, if at all possible.
To answer David, at the same time I have some other newsgroup, in same OE,
that I can
post or reply, with the same fake email address. So I guess it should not be
the ISP issue.
You say "other newsgroup", is this using the same NNTP server or did you mean
"another NNTP server" ?
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jhon
Right let's stick to the issue.
Maybe I re-summarize. In my OE I setup a few newsgroups. I mean, a few NNTP
servers.
Some of them, I can only view, I cannot post, if I post, I get failure
notice and my message stays in Outbox.
Some of them, I can post or reply, I see what I write in a few seconds or if
I refresh. This is what I expected for MS NNTP as well.
Then the MS ones. I subscribed several newsgroups and in none of them I can
post or reply, but my messages go to Sent box and I get no error. They just
don't appear.
I want to diagnostic why my posts to MS NNTP vanish.
Maybe I re-summarize. In my OE I setup a few newsgroups. I mean, a few NNTP
servers.
Some of them, I can only view, I cannot post, if I post, I get failure
notice and my message stays in Outbox.
Some of them, I can post or reply, I see what I write in a few seconds or if
I refresh. This is what I expected for MS NNTP as well.
Then the MS ones. I subscribed several newsgroups and in none of them I can
post or reply, but my messages go to Sent box and I get no error. They just
don't appear.
I want to diagnostic why my posts to MS NNTP vanish.
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Big_Al
If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!
Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.
I take it you have more than 2?
Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.
I take it you have more than 2?
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jhon
I appreciate all discussions. Thank you.
To answer your question, I subscribe to different NNTP servers for different
contents. For example one NNTP is msnews.microsoft.com, another
news.abcdef.com, third news.blahblah.net, then I subscribe to three NNTP
servers. Is there another way to do so? I want to know how to do that.
To subscribe each of them I give the same fake user info including user name
and email, because I think they are just informational and I don't want to
reveal my personal info.
For me, my ISP only offers me the Internet connection.
To answer your question, I subscribe to different NNTP servers for different
contents. For example one NNTP is msnews.microsoft.com, another
news.abcdef.com, third news.blahblah.net, then I subscribe to three NNTP
servers. Is there another way to do so? I want to know how to do that.
To subscribe each of them I give the same fake user info including user name
and email, because I think they are just informational and I don't want to
reveal my personal info.
For me, my ISP only offers me the Internet connection.
D
David Webb
At this point all I can suggest is that you verify the setup properties for each
NNTP server you have configured. Some require a login and some do not. Some
require a secure connection (SSL) and some do not. The MS server does not
require a login or a secure connection.
Here's a good setup reference:
Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail to access Microsoft newsgroups
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
Good luck!
NNTP server you have configured. Some require a login and some do not. Some
require a secure connection (SSL) and some do not. The MS server does not
require a login or a secure connection.
Here's a good setup reference:
Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail to access Microsoft newsgroups
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
Good luck!
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Big_Al
In a truely basic / simple system, you would make one account for news.jhon said:I appreciate all discussions. Thank you.
To answer your question, I subscribe to different NNTP servers for different
contents. For example one NNTP is msnews.microsoft.com, another
news.abcdef.com, third news.blahblah.net, then I subscribe to three NNTP
servers. Is there another way to do so? I want to know how to do that.
Use whatever works, and the server would be your ISP. Or whatever
your ISP dones out. I have verizon and I of course use
news.verizon.net. And I have to login etc as its not a free server.
Once connected you just download all the groups and pick as many as you
want. I have 12 text groups. They all are in one account under one
NNTP server.
There is no reason not to do what you are doing. Name changes is
obvious reason, direct access to msnews.microsoft.com is another. You
can even buy service from NNTP services other than your ISP and make an
account for that. Verizon has a horrible retention rate, about 5-7
days. So if I want to read history going back 20 days, I would have to
use something else other than my ISP.
On the other hand, Verizon has 0.verizon.x.x.x groups that are strictly
for internal conversation about Verizon issues. Like announcements,
discussion, Q&A about FIOS, suggestion box etc.
HTH.
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jhon
To David: I have checked my NNTP setting OK for MS NNTP. As it doesnt require
login there are not much to setup.
To Big_AI: Do you mean your ISP maintains all newsgroups including the MS
ones? Here it is not the same. My ISP has a news server and it includes some
MS newsgroups, but they are not maintained. For example I can find this
newsgroup in my ISP's NNTP server, but it is empty!
login there are not much to setup.
To Big_AI: Do you mean your ISP maintains all newsgroups including the MS
ones? Here it is not the same. My ISP has a news server and it includes some
MS newsgroups, but they are not maintained. For example I can find this
newsgroup in my ISP's NNTP server, but it is empty!
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Big_Al
jhon wrote:
Yes, my ISP has most groups. I do not use msnews. However they only
keep messages a week or two best. Giganews, is what I would consider a
great news service and you pay for it. Now my ISP does not have the
groups they do. My ISP has 48,000+/- groups. Where I think there are
higher near 70,000 groups if not more.
If you have the issue you have, you probably have to make different NNTP
server accounts to get what you need. Its just one of lifes bitches.
I have free accounts with two 3rd party services, Motzarella and Teranews.
<snip>To Big_AI: Do you mean your ISP maintains all newsgroups including the MS
ones? Here it is not the same. My ISP has a news server and it includes some
MS newsgroups, but they are not maintained. For example I can find this
newsgroup in my ISP's NNTP server, but it is empty!
Yes, my ISP has most groups. I do not use msnews. However they only
keep messages a week or two best. Giganews, is what I would consider a
great news service and you pay for it. Now my ISP does not have the
groups they do. My ISP has 48,000+/- groups. Where I think there are
higher near 70,000 groups if not more.
If you have the issue you have, you probably have to make different NNTP
server accounts to get what you need. Its just one of lifes bitches.
I have free accounts with two 3rd party services, Motzarella and Teranews.
K
Ken Blake, MVP
If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!
Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.
This is not necessarily true. Two is not tops, by any means. I, for
example, use *five* different news servers. One is provided by my ISP.
One is the Microsoft public server, msnews.microsoft.com, which I use
for these Microsoft news groups; although my ISP's server carries many
of these newsgroups too, it's faster and better to get them directly
from Microsoft. The other three are private servers that carry
newsgroups not available elsewhere.
Also note that the statement "You technically only need one, your ISP"
assumes that the ISP in question even provides a news server. That's
not always the case, and many people don't have that option. Even if
the ISP does provide a news server, it may be limited in some way
(such as how many or which newsgroups it provides) and many people
prefer to use a different server (even one they have to pay for)
instead.
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