Hardware upgrades and EULA

[Guest]

Hi everyone, I'm having trouble finding a solid answer on this. I have Vista
Ultimate, retail installed. If I decide to upgrade my cpu to a 64 bit
processor, which will require a MoBo upgrade, will I be able to install the
64 bit version that came with my copy of Vista Ultimate? Or will the
validation tool see it as a completely different system and refuse
activation? I would still be using one copy on one machine, I'm just foggy
on what the EULA allows.

 

[teyebeareeus]

If it is vista retail you can install it on as many different computers or
hardware you want... no problem at all..

even if it does not activate via internet, activate it via telephone. No
problem at all.

if it is OEM then it depends on the manufacturer of the pc if it considers
the mobo the PC or not.

there is a big disagreement on what the truth is about this..

some MVP's claim the MOBO is now considered the "computer" others claim that
it is not...

I have argued with both sides and they are all crazy.. and stupid of course.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

The Windows license is tied to the System Board if it is an OEM license that
came with the machine. If it you purchase a full retail license for Vista
you can put it whatever machine you license. Upgrade licenses are tied to a
original full package version of the product. For instance, if you buy
Office 2007 Upgrade, you must have full version of Office 2000, Office XP or
2003 to qualify for the product. Although the software does not see this and
you could normally use an upgrade version of 2000, XP or 2003 to qualify the
upgrade during installation.

As for the OP, format the existing installation of Vista, then install Vista
x64 and activate over the Internet or by telelphone.

See tutorial:
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/84488-activate-vista-phone.html

 

[teyebeareeus]

The Windows license is tied to the System Board if it is >an OEM license

that came with the machine

there are MVP's that strongly disagree with you.. lol

Yet some other MVPs tried to persuade me too that what you are saying is
true...

they are just a bunch of uninformed MS employee wannabies

 

[Frank]

teyebeareeus wrote:

...they are just a bunch of uninformed MS employee wannabies

So is that what the fly in the ointment is with you capin' crunch?
MS wouldn't hire you?
Sh*t! I don't blame them one bit.
They're not that stupid (and you are)!
Frank

 

[Saran]

teyebeareeus wrote:
[...]

some MVP's claim the MOBO is now considered the "computer" others
claim that it is not...

A mobo, a computer by itself, does not make. Of course it makes as much
sense as windows activation itself.

I have argued with both sides and they are all crazy.. and stupid of
course.

Amen. And Microsoft still wonders why people pirate their software.
Mappoint 2006 alone cost only a little over 600 USD... one bloody
application. And look it takes 5 seconds to find on any decent torrent
site. Not that I endorse it, just making a point. When are the software
and media giants going to finally realize that grossly over pricing
products only serves to fuel piracy.

Then again, one has to wonder if there is even a point to pirating
Vista.

 

[Saran]

The Windows license is tied to the System Board if it is an OEM
license that came with the machine.

Why is this this? It makes absolutely no sense. A mobo is not a
computer, just as a chassis is not a car. I have every right to
csutomize my computer as I see fit, including swapping out the
motherboard. And what if the motherboard dies and a new one is either
sent from the OEM or bought from a store? Are you saying I'd have to buy
a new license? What kind of bunk is this??

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

The Windows license is tied to the System Board if it is an OEM license that
came with the machine. If it you purchase a full retail license for Vista
you can put it whatever machine you license. Upgrade licenses are tied to a
original full package version of the product. For instance, if you buy
Office 2007 Upgrade, you must have full version of Office 2000, Office XP or
2003 to qualify for the product. Although the software does not see this and
you could normally use an upgrade version of 2000, XP or 2003 to qualify the
upgrade during installation.

As for the OP, format the existing installation of Vista, then install Vista
x64 and activate over the Internet or by telelphone.

See tutorial:
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/84488-activate-vista-phone.html

Where does it say it's tied to the system board?

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[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Because that is what the EULA says.

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Because that is what the EULA says.

The vista eula? In what section? I've never seen it.

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[Guest]

We can replace the motherboard, as long as we don't "improve" its capabilities.
But, is anyone going to tell them!

 

[teyebeareeus]

this is NOT what the EULA says you MALINFORMER!

Because that is what the EULA says.
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[teyebeareeus]

he is wrong.... again

the mobo is NOT the computer UNLESS the system manufacturer you get the PC
from considers it as the PC.

Some do some don't...

You can blame MS for this crap....




"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

 

[Richard G. Harper]

If you have a true retail license then this plan should be no problem as you
can, by the terms of the EULA, transfer that license to another system.
Swapping out a 32-bit processor and motherboard for 64-bit hardware would
most likely be considered "another system" but you'd be covered anyway.

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[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

he is wrong.... again

the mobo is NOT the computer UNLESS the system manufacturer you get the PC
from considers it as the PC.

Some do some don't...

You can blame MS for this crap....

Right?! I don't have an issue with Andre, I think he is one of the
more helpful and less stuck up MVPs here. I honestly just want to know
if OEM licenses are actually tied to the motherboard. I'll believe it
whn I see proof of it. I really do wish that Andre would reply to this
thread with proof if he is going to claim it's true.

I believe I found the answer:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2087792,00.asp

"A Microsoft representative confirmed that users may buy an OEM copy of
Windows Vista at a substantial discount, provided they adhere to the
terms of the license – which, incidentally, may mean providing support
for family members.

In addition, users should still be subject to the same familiar
re-activation restrictions as users of a retail Vista license and
Windows XP, a spokeswoman said. Users can alter the PC's hardware
substantially, but they will be forced to reactivate – not repurchase
the OEM software – if they do, she said..."

Also, here is a copy of the OEM EULA and it does not specify the
motherboard anywhere in there:
http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/Public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

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creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
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[teyebeareeus]

Yes this is the case.. this subject bores me.. or else I would find all the
relative information on the web.

There are SOME manufacturers however that force you to get a new copy if you
change the mobo..
MS has left a door open for each party to decide what to do..

this chaos and mix up is due to MS, not wanting people to really know what
they can do or not regarding OEM.



"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

he is wrong.... again

the mobo is NOT the computer UNLESS the system manufacturer you get the
PC from considers it as the PC.

Some do some don't...

You can blame MS for this crap....

Right?! I don't have an issue with Andre, I think he is one of the more
helpful and less stuck up MVPs here. I honestly just want to know if OEM
licenses are actually tied to the motherboard. I'll believe it whn I see
proof of it. I really do wish that Andre would reply to this thread with
proof if he is going to claim it's true.

I believe I found the answer:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2087792,00.asp

"A Microsoft representative confirmed that users may buy an OEM copy of
Windows Vista at a substantial discount, provided they adhere to the terms
of the license – which, incidentally, may mean providing support for
family members.

In addition, users should still be subject to the same familiar
re-activation restrictions as users of a retail Vista license and Windows
XP, a spokeswoman said. Users can alter the PC's hardware substantially,
but they will be forced to reactivate – not repurchase the OEM software –
if they do, she said..."

Also, here is a copy of the OEM EULA and it does not specify the
motherboard anywhere in there:
http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/Public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
The Windows license is tied to the System Board if it is an OEM license
that came with the machine. If it you purchase a full retail license
for Vista you can put it whatever machine you license. Upgrade licenses
are tied to a original full package version of the product. For
instance, if you buy Office 2007 Upgrade, you must have full version of
Office 2000, Office XP or 2003 to qualify for the product. Although the
software does not see this and you could normally use an upgrade
version of 2000, XP or 2003 to qualify the upgrade during installation.

As for the OP, format the existing installation of Vista, then install
Vista x64 and activate over the Internet or by telelphone.

See tutorial:
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/84488-activate-vista-phone.html
Where does it say it's tied to the system board?

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
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"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on free
speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Hi everyone, I'm having trouble finding a solid answer on this. I have Vista
Ultimate, retail installed. If I decide to upgrade my cpu to a 64 bit
processor, which will require a MoBo upgrade, will I be able to install the
64 bit version that came with my copy of Vista Ultimate?

Yes, provided you're not attempting to simultaneously use the 32-bit
version elsewhere. Your single Vista Ultimate Product Key is valid for
a single installation on a single computer; it doesn't matter if it's
the 32-bit or the 64-bit version.

Or will the
validation tool see it as a completely different system and refuse
activation?

Well, the new installation of the 64-bit version will naturally require
activation. If the automatic Internet activation fails bacause the
license has already been activated, simply follow the on-screen
instructions to activate via telephone.

I would still be using one copy on one machine, I'm just foggy
on what the EULA allows.

You're fine. The retail Vista Ultimate EULA allows you to install and
run either the 32-bit version or the 64-bit version on a single
computer. If you want to change from one version to another, you may
does so simply by removing the first and installing the second. If you
wish to transfer the license to an entirely different computer, you may
do so, after having removed the OS from the first computer. All of this
is quite clearly stated within the EULA, itself, by the way. You only
had to read it.


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[Bruce Chambers]

If it is vista retail you can install it on as many different computers or
hardware you want... no problem at all..

That's a lie. It may be installed only on one computer at a time.



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killed a great many philosophers.
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[Bruce Chambers]

this is NOT what the EULA says you MALINFORMER!

No, Andre, that isn't what the EULA says. The EULA makes absolutely no
mention of any specific component, whatsoever. Now, the Systems Builder
license does specify the motherboard.


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killed a great many philosophers.
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[DanS]

No, Andre, that isn't what the EULA says. The EULA makes
absolutely no
mention of any specific component, whatsoever. Now, the Systems
Builder license does specify the motherboard.

Does it also not say that it is up to the system builder to decide whether
or not the motherboard replacment was necessary ?

If you build your own system, and install an OEM version, ergo, you are the
system builder and can authorize replacement of the MB w/o invalidating
that OEM copy of Windows.

(At least that's what it said last time I read it.)