From NAV to where?

[Peter Rogers]

New PC came with eTrust anti virus but I have read mixed reviews about
this. Kapersky Antivirus came out well in many reviews but seems
relatively unknown (to me anyway)

Anyone have good or bad stories on either of these products (or
recommendation of any other)?


Posting from Peter Rogers

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[NonDisputandum.com]

New PC came with eTrust anti virus but I have read mixed reviews about
this. Kapersky Antivirus came out well in many reviews but seems
relatively unknown (to me anyway)

Anyone have good or bad stories on either of these products (or
recommendation of any other)?


Posting from Peter Rogers

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Kaspersky is well known in Europe and a trustworthy antivirus.
But perhaps look at the entire security picture.
Do you want one brand to offer all or do you want the best security
software for each menace, no matter who writes/sells it.
Do you want to pay, or prefer free solutions?

 

[Joan Archer]

eTrust is a very good AV and runs on one of the XP boxes in my network,
another good one is NOD32. Both have a small footprint and are not
resource hogs and updates are frequent and easily downloaded and
installed.
Joan

 

[null]

New PC came with eTrust anti virus but I have read mixed reviews about
this. Kapersky Antivirus came out well in many reviews but seems
relatively unknown (to me anyway)

KAV is certainly not unknown to those who frequent the virus
newsgroups. It is top notch. A number of other products use its
scan engine .... including F-Secure, AVK and Microworld's Escan ...
to name a few.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[* * Chas]

eTrust is a very good AV and runs on one of the XP boxes in my network,
another good one is NOD32. Both have a small footprint and are not
resource hogs and updates are frequent and easily downloaded and
installed.
Joan

I agree, I've switched almost all of my PCs over to NOD32.

Chas.

 

[JRS]

NOD32 +trojanhunter is my preference.

Jon

KAV is certainly not unknown to those who frequent the virus
newsgroups. It is top notch. A number of other products use its
scan engine .... including F-Secure, AVK and Microworld's Escan ...
to name a few.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Joe Canuck]

New PC came with eTrust anti virus but I have read mixed reviews about
this. Kapersky Antivirus came out well in many reviews but seems
relatively unknown (to me anyway)

Anyone have good or bad stories on either of these products (or
recommendation of any other)?


Posting from Peter Rogers

Replace NOSPAM with ntlworld to reply

I am very pleased with avast! after having been a customer of both
McAfee and Norton. NOD looks very interesting, however it is payware and
after having those type of solutions for so long I'm avoiding them.

But, I also take other measures that protect my system...

-Unrecognized email is never opened. Mail from sources that I know never
send email, such as my bank, also doesn't get opened.
-I don't random surf, but rather tend to stick with sites I know and
trust. I avoid porn.
-I don't click on everything I see.
-Don't run Outlook or Internet Explorer, although I will occasionally
fire up IE to view a particular site that I know.

....and I don't have problems. avast! never suggests my system has been
infected. I verify avast! scans through the occasional online scan which
always turns up empty.

Good protection is often a matter of not only applications that provide
it but also good common sense when online.

 

[* * Chas]

I am very pleased with avast! after having been a customer of both
McAfee and Norton. NOD looks very interesting, however it is payware and
after having those type of solutions for so long I'm avoiding them.

But, I also take other measures that protect my system...

-Unrecognized email is never opened. Mail from sources that I know never
send email, such as my bank, also doesn't get opened.
-I don't random surf, but rather tend to stick with sites I know and
trust. I avoid porn.
-I don't click on everything I see.
-Don't run Outlook or Internet Explorer, although I will occasionally
fire up IE to view a particular site that I know.

...and I don't have problems. avast! never suggests my system has been
infected. I verify avast! scans through the occasional online scan which
always turns up empty.

Good protection is often a matter of not only applications that provide
it but also good common sense when online.

Practicing Safe Hex is always smart. I do a lot of technical searches
on engineering, material science and other scientific topics which
frequently takes me to Eastern European and Russian web sites. At
least once a week or sometimes once a day I encounter some kind of
malware that fortunately NOD32 and my other defensive software is able
to block.

I have another PC that I use for downloading legal music with.
Searching various music related web sites kicks up more junk than the
porn industry puts out! An average search will result in at least 1
hijack attempt!

I can understand how inexperienced/naive users run into problems.
Several years ago, I visited my niece the day after she got Comcast
cable. Her 7 year old daughter was surfing and the PC started acting
"funny".

I found 27 hijacker and spyware villains plus 128MBs of porn that had
been automatically downloaded. They were running an updated McAfee
suite that was supposed to prevent those problems.

Chas.

 

[null]

Practicing Safe Hex is always smart. I do a lot of technical searches
on engineering, material science and other scientific topics which
frequently takes me to Eastern European and Russian web sites. At
least once a week or sometimes once a day I encounter some kind of
malware that fortunately NOD32 and my other defensive software is able
to block.

With a Gecko browser such as Moz, Firefox or K-Meleion??? Or do you
download stuff? If so, what kind of stuff and in what form?

Strikes me as very peculiar that researching technical subjects would
kead to malware-spyware problems using a decent browse. Certainly
I've never experienced that, and I browse all kinds of places,
including the dark side.

I have another PC that I use for downloading legal music with.
Searching various music related web sites kicks up more junk than the
porn industry puts out! An average search will result in at least 1
hijack attempt!

So do my wife and I. Never had any kind of problem at all.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[What's in a Name?]

Practicing Safe Hex is always smart. I do a lot of technical searches
on engineering, material science and other scientific topics which
frequently takes me to Eastern European and Russian web sites. At
least once a week or sometimes once a day I encounter some kind of
malware that fortunately NOD32 and my other defensive software is able
to block.

I have another PC that I use for downloading legal music with.
Searching various music related web sites kicks up more junk than the
porn industry puts out! An average search will result in at least 1
hijack attempt!

I can understand how inexperienced/naive users run into problems.
Several years ago, I visited my niece the day after she got Comcast
cable. Her 7 year old daughter was surfing and the PC started acting
"funny".

I found 27 hijacker and spyware villains plus 128MBs of porn that had
been automatically downloaded. They were running an updated McAfee
suite that was supposed to prevent those problems.

Chas.

Finding villains on a computer that has a "one size fits all"
defensive suite does not surprise me.
-max

 

[* * Chas]

With a Gecko browser such as Moz, Firefox or K-Meleion??? Or do you
download stuff? If so, what kind of stuff and in what form?

Strikes me as very peculiar that researching technical subjects would
kead to malware-spyware problems using a decent browse. Certainly
I've never experienced that, and I browse all kinds of places,
including the dark side.

<snip>

Today I needed to find information on Hand Held Die Filers for a
client - power tools for using special small Jeweler's Files for metal
finishing operations. I didn't catch the ".pl" for Poland in the URL of
one site that showed up in a Google search. It turned out to be a scam
site that wanted to install a tool bar.

The day before, I was researching K-Monel 500 Nickel-Copper Alloy and
didn't catch the ".ru" in the address. It was also a malware site. There
are a lot of sites that require IE and it's too much trouble switching
back and forth doing a technical search when I'm on the phone with a
customer/client.

Chas.

 

[kurt wismer]

* * Chas wrote:
[snip]

Today I needed to find information on Hand Held Die Filers for a
client - power tools for using special small Jeweler's Files for metal
finishing operations. I didn't catch the ".pl" for Poland in the URL of
one site that showed up in a Google search. It turned out to be a scam
site that wanted to install a tool bar.

The day before, I was researching K-Monel 500 Nickel-Copper Alloy and
didn't catch the ".ru" in the address. It was also a malware site. There
are a lot of sites that require IE and it's too much trouble switching
back and forth doing a technical search when I'm on the phone with a
customer/client.

the only thing IE can natively do that gecko based browsers can't
natively do is ActiveX... ActiveX is the means by which many instances
of web-based malware install themselves... you're essentially
rationalizing why you have to remain a wide open target...

there are plenty of people here who will attest to the fact that ActiveX
dependencies on the web are actually pretty rare... and of course you
have to figure it the cost of lost productivity during the inevitable
malware removal stage...

i wonder if switching browsers would really cost you more than your
limiting beliefs already do...

 

[Robert Baer]

<snip>

Today I needed to find information on Hand Held Die Filers for a
client - power tools for using special small Jeweler's Files for metal
finishing operations. I didn't catch the ".pl" for Poland in the URL of
one site that showed up in a Google search. It turned out to be a scam
site that wanted to install a tool bar.

The day before, I was researching K-Monel 500 Nickel-Copper Alloy and
didn't catch the ".ru" in the address. It was also a malware site. There
are a lot of sites that require IE and it's too much trouble switching
back and forth doing a technical search when I'm on the phone with a
customer/client.

Chas.

So, DO NOT USE IE!!!!
NEVER.
What could be more simple?
If your favorite browser cannot "see" certain sites, either you are
not up to date or the site should not be persued (and you cited *two*
cases that proves my point).

 

[Virus Guy]

So, DO NOT USE IE!!!!
NEVER.

At least don't use IE when you're looking for crack-ware, serial
numbers, hacks and other cracks for commercial software. What a
mine-field that is when your looking for that stuff.

 

[* * Chas]

* * Chas wrote:
[snip]
the only thing IE can natively do that gecko based browsers can't
natively do is ActiveX... ActiveX is the means by which many instances
of web-based malware install themselves... you're essentially
rationalizing why you have to remain a wide open target...

there are plenty of people here who will attest to the fact that ActiveX
dependencies on the web are actually pretty rare... and of course you
have to figure it the cost of lost productivity during the inevitable
malware removal stage...

i wonder if switching browsers would really cost you more than your
limiting beliefs already do...

I'm not getting malware - I'm ENCOUNTERING these problems and my
defenses protect me!

The comment was that there are a lot of sites in Eastern Europe that
proagate malware that I have innocently encountered!

Chas.

 

[kurt wismer]

* * Chas wrote:
[snip]
the only thing IE can natively do that gecko based browsers can't
natively do is ActiveX... ActiveX is the means by which many instances
of web-based malware install themselves... you're essentially
rationalizing why you have to remain a wide open target...

there are plenty of people here who will attest to the fact that
ActiveX
dependencies on the web are actually pretty rare... and of course you
have to figure it the cost of lost productivity during the inevitable
malware removal stage...

i wonder if switching browsers would really cost you more than your
limiting beliefs already do...

I'm not getting malware - I'm ENCOUNTERING these problems and my
defenses protect me!

are they perfect protection? are they infallible? or are you going to
visit one of these sites one day and get malware installed on your
machine because your defenses (like everyone else's) are not perfect...

The comment was that there are a lot of sites in Eastern Europe that
proagate malware that I have innocently encountered!

the point is that your argument boils down to 'i have to take these
risks because it *might* be required to find the information i need'...
firefox is safer and can render all standards compliant web content...
if someone really has their head so far up their rear that they continue
to make their site IE only through the use of ActiveX i'm quite certain
that whatever 'information' they have available can also be found
elsewhere (no site's information content is unique)...

 

[* * Chas]

* * Chas wrote:
[snip]

are they perfect protection? are they infallible? or are you going to
visit one of these sites one day and get malware installed on your
machine because your defenses (like everyone else's) are not

perfect...

What is perfection? Life is hard.... then you die!

the point is that your argument boils down to 'i have to take these
risks because it *might* be required to find the information i need'...
firefox is safer and can render all standards compliant web content...
if someone really has their head so far up their rear that they continue
to make their site IE only through the use of ActiveX i'm quite certain
that whatever 'information' they have available can also be found
elsewhere (no site's information content is unique)...

There are a number of site that I use regularly that are IE only or IE
and Netscape only. I DO HAVE Opera, Mozilla and FireFox installed on
several PCs. When someone is waiting on the phone for an answer, I don't
have time to switch around browsers, I don't have time to synchronize
URLs between browsers. I don't have time to figure which of about 50+
sites I access for information are ActiveX only.

I'm just reporting experiences!

Stop trying to preach to the choir! I'd be using Linux and Firefox if
they MET "MY" NEEDS!

Chas.

 

[kurt wismer]

There are a number of site that I use regularly that are IE only or IE
and Netscape only.

the only ones remotely relevant here would be the IE only ones, as
netscape *IS* mozilla...

I DO HAVE Opera, Mozilla and FireFox installed on
several PCs. When someone is waiting on the phone for an answer, I don't
have time to switch around browsers, I don't have time to synchronize
URLs between browsers. I don't have time to figure which of about 50+
sites I access for information are ActiveX only.

well, there is a mozilla extension to switch the rendering engine from
gecko to IE, in the event that a site really and truly needs IE... and
as an added bonus, you could get to see it without IE first to get an
idea if it's safe to use the IE rendering engine on it...

I'm just reporting experiences!

Stop trying to preach to the choir! I'd be using Linux and Firefox if
they MET "MY" NEEDS!

stop accepting crap and commit yourself to finding better solutions...
always be on the look out for better ways to do things... the status quo
(such as it is) will never change otherwise...

 

[Shane]

There are a number of site that I use regularly that are IE only or IE
and Netscape only. I DO HAVE Opera, Mozilla and FireFox installed on
several PCs. When someone is waiting on the phone for an answer, I don't
have time to switch around browsers, I don't have time to synchronize
URLs between browsers. I don't have time to figure which of about 50+
sites I access for information are ActiveX only.

You should get the Firefox View in IE plugin. Works great. R-click, select
View this page in IE. Also works for links.


Shane