free bitmap to jpeg converter

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Man-wai Chang

Please recommend. Thanks in advance.

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Man-wai Chang

Man-wai Chang said:
Please recommend. Thanks in advance.
primary platform: Window$
secondary platform: Linux

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Man-wai Chang

Yes, MS-Paint is not so bad.

Windows 2000's paint doesn't have JPEG.

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Daniel Mandic

Man-wai Chang said:
Windows 2000's paint doesn't have JPEG.



Hmmm, are you fond of typing controverse?

You are quiet confusing.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
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Craig

Daniel said:
Man-wai Chang wrote:






Hmmm, are you fond of typing controverse?
Daniel;

I was wondering the same thing but...since I run win2k I checked.
Man-wai is referring to the "accessory" program that comes with MS
Windows 2000, entitled "Microsoft Paint v5.00." Indeed, this "paint"
doesn't do anything other than .bmp and .dib formats.

Paint.Net, otoh, will save/convert .bmp & .jpg formats.

hth,
-Craig
 
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Sietse Fliege

Craig said:
Daniel;

I was wondering the same thing but...since I run win2k I checked.
Man-wai is referring to the "accessory" program that comes with MS
Windows 2000, entitled "Microsoft Paint v5.00." Indeed, this "paint"
doesn't do anything other than .bmp and .dib formats.

By default, Microsoft Paint can only view .bmp files.
When you install a Microsoft program that provides filters for other
graphic file types, Microsoft Paint will use them.
E.g. Microsoft Word adds a variety of different filters that Microsoft
Paint will use.

See: http://www.jsifaq.com/SUBE/tip2300/rh2306.htm
And: http://www.jsifaq.com/subH/TIP3500/rh3550.htm (download filters)
Paint.Net, otoh, will save/convert .bmp & .jpg formats.

As do very many graphic editors/viewers.
Paint.Net has nothing to do with MSPaint or Microsoft (other than that
their developers get some support).
 
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Craig

Sietse said:
By default, Microsoft Paint can only view .bmp files.
...<stuff deleted>...
See: http://www.jsifaq.com/SUBE/tip2300/rh2306.htm

JSI is a great resource Sieste but its answer, as you paste, is
incomplete. By default, MS Paint *also* supports/views/whatever .dib
files. .Dib, or "device-independent bitmap" was a crossover from the
IBM-MS OS/2 days...circa 1992 and has been supported -by default- in MS
Paint since Windoze 3.x...at least through win2k.
Paint.Net has nothing to do with MSPaint or Microsoft (other than that
their developers get some support).

Rick Brewster, Tom Jackson & Dennis Dietrich, the *only* three to be
given credit for *any* work on Paint.Net 2.5 & 2.6, are all MS
employees. Rick Brewster, MS project lead for Paint.Net, writes: "Any
similarity between [MS Paint and Paint.Net] is on purpose, and is
neither accidental nor the fault of legacy code."

Paint.Net was "suggested" by Kerry Hammil, an employee of MS' Avalon
Group, to Washington State University's Comp Sci class in her role as
the class Project Mentor. According to Brewster, she suggested they
"update Paint."

Paint.Net is the successor to MS Paint (according to the MS employees
Hammil and Brewster). Paint.Net receives critical (not some) support
from MS in the form of developers, project leads, facilities and
equipment.

<shrugs>
-Craig

sources:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dngdi/html/msdn_dibs2.asp
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/transcripts/20050811PaintDotNETRBTranscript.aspx
http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/contact.html
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/39352.html
http://paintdotnet.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=489
 
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Daniel Mandic

Craig said:
Daniel;

I was wondering the same thing but...since I run win2k I checked.
Man-wai is referring to the "accessory" program that comes with MS
Windows 2000, entitled "Microsoft Paint v5.00." Indeed, this "paint"
doesn't do anything other than .bmp and .dib formats.

Paint.Net, otoh, will save/convert .bmp & .jpg formats.

hth,
-Craig


Hi Craig!


Sorry, Windows 2000 - Wrong Side. Not my case.



Paint on a plain Windows 95b (2.1 with USB) PC can load jpg's, and
bmp's so and so. So I was confused, bez XP's Paint behaves the same!?
Windows 2000 cannot do so?




Kind Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
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Craig

Daniel said:
Craig wrote:





Hi Craig!


Paint on a plain Windows 95b (2.1 with USB) PC can load jpg's, and
bmp's so and so. So I was confused, bez XP's Paint behaves the same!?
Windows 2000 cannot do so?

Hi Daniel;

Your right. The version of MS Paint on the Win2k's (sp4) I have access
to do not handle formats other than .bmp & .dib. Sieste has posted
information on how to /add/ file support for MS Paint. According to
this info, support is added automatically when a user installs other
applications from MS.

But, it sounds like your win95b is more advanced than my win2k. <grin>

-Craig
 
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Sietse Fliege

Indeed, this "paint" doesn't do anything other than .bmp and .dib
formats.

JSI is a great resource Sieste but its answer, as you paste, is
incomplete. By default, MS Paint *also* supports/views/whatever .dib
files. .Dib, or "device-independent bitmap" was a crossover from the
IBM-MS OS/2 days...circa 1992 and has been supported -by default- in
MS Paint since Windoze 3.x...at least through win2k.

You're absolutely right, Craig.
It must have looked like I was correcting you (bmp only vs bmp and dib),
but I just pasted from the JSI page and then forgot that you actually
had mentioned the dib file.
B.t.w. I guess that JSI were sort of shortcutting on purpose, mentioning
only the format that the 'normal' user knows or cares about, as to not
unnecessarily complicate things.
Paint.Net has nothing to do with MSPaint or Microsoft (other than
that their developers get some support).

Rick Brewster, Tom Jackson & Dennis Dietrich, the *only* three to be
given credit for *any* work on Paint.Net 2.5 & 2.6, are all MS
employees. Rick Brewster, MS project lead for Paint.Net, writes:
"Any similarity between [MS Paint and Paint.Net] is on purpose, and is
neither accidental nor the fault of legacy code."

Paint.Net was "suggested" by Kerry Hammil, an employee of MS' Avalon
Group, to Washington State University's Comp Sci class in her role as
the class Project Mentor. According to Brewster, she suggested they
"update Paint."

Paint.Net is the successor to MS Paint (according to the MS employees
Hammil and Brewster). Paint.Net receives critical (not some) support
from MS in the form of developers, project leads, facilities and
equipment.

<shrugs>

I can understand your <shrugs> as I did not word this well.
So here I will try a bit better.

You mentioned only Paint.NET as the solution for the JPG problem, while
I expected e.g. Irfanview as a much more obvious candidate.
Basically any program will save in JPG and many also in GIF and PNG.
My impression is also that many freeware Paint 'replacements' have more
the look and feel of MS Paint than Paint.NET does. And do not require
the .NET Framework.
One reason for your suggestion could be that because the OP's problem
was with MS Paint a good suggestion would be the next version of MS
Paint, which supposedly would be Paint.NET and already available.
The program has been named *Microsoft* Paint.NET several times here.
So I thought that you might not understand what it actually is.
I wanted to make clear that it is not the next version of MS Paint and
that it basically is not even a Microsft program.
Must admit that making this point I have understated Microsofts support.

Now, to be sure, from the FAQ:
"Will Paint.NET ever replace Paint in Windows?
There are no plans to include Paint.NET with Windows"

So I don't quite understand how Kerry Hammil or Rick Brewster could have
called it the successor to MS Paint (and I also did not find that
description) as this would suggest it to be (to me at least) the next
version of MS Paint.
You do find terms like 'Paint update' and 'Paint replacement'.
I think it is just that, an extra freeware (and a fairly open project at
that) that you can download, like there are also a lot of freeware
'Notepad replacements', sometimes decribed as having the basic Notepad
capabilities, but 'updated' with new features.

Thanks for the links, Craig. :) Especially the interview.
 
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Sietse Fliege

Craig said:
Hi Daniel;

Your right. The version of MS Paint on the Win2k's (sp4) I have
access to do not handle formats other than .bmp & .dib. Sieste has
posted information on how to /add/ file support for MS Paint.
According to this info, support is added automatically when a user
installs other applications from MS.

But, it sounds like your win95b is more advanced than my win2k.
<grin>

I am still wondering about this, though.
I've always had the impression, but can also easily be dead wrong, that
some other MS application always is required.
Daniel, are you sure that is not the case. Maybe a now uninstalled
program but with left behind filters?
 
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Man-wai Chang

But, it sounds like your win95b is more advanced than my win2k. <grin>

That's funny. Maybe I could just copy the Paint from WinXP (if not
Win95) into Win2k... :)

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Craig

Sietse Fliege wrote:
.... said:
B.t.w. I guess that JSI were sort of shortcutting on purpose,
mentioning only the format that the 'normal' user knows or cares
about...

It's interesting Sietse...I forgot to document this <grin> but IIRC, the
JSI entry is a cut-n-paste of a singular article from MS
rather than a survey of what MS had to offer on the topic. Nine times
out of ten, I would normally used a "jsi" article as the final word. In
this instance though, I was feeling a tad <ahem> combative.

In the end, it reminds me the importance of verification and "source"
documents. Kind of akin to "beware the wikipedia."
You mentioned only Paint.NET as the solution for the JPG problem,
while I expected e.g. Irfanview as a much more obvious candidate.

Actually...<grin>...

My response was to a fork in the conversation. And that's where it
seems our misunderstanding started: I didn't respond to the OP's
question. You, however, did. If you've the inclination, check out the
exchange between Man-wai Chang & Daniel Mandic.

In a nutshell, Man-wai recommends "Paint," probably meaning Paint.Net.
Daniel seconds that opinion but alters the proggy's name to "MS-Paint."
Man-wai dutifully follows-up w/the fact that MS-Paint won't do jpeg.

At that point, I jump in and <cough> "clarify." You, seeing my errant
response, attempt to right the wrong and we're "off to the races," as we
say over here.
Thanks for the links, Craig. :) Especially the interview.

I'm embarrassed to admit how much it was my pleasure. Research is a...
passion.

Sietse, thank you for your response. Its clarity and civility
gave me the (opportunity|space|respite) to see what I had misunderstood
and to drop some ill-fitting righteousness.

best regards,
-Craig
 

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