# Format headers when using StyleRef fields

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#### trj27

I am using a unicode font (Cardo) which supports Greek characters. However,
my publisher requires that I use TNR italics for the headers. TNR italics
(nor TNR for that matter) does not support the Greek font. So, when I have a
subheading that contains Greek text, it appears odd in the header because
Word inserts other fonts to come up with the letters TNR doesn't have.

When I try to change the formatting of only the Greek words in the headers,
Word overrides my formatting because of the StyleRef fields. Is it possible
to stop Word from overriding my formatting on only a few pages of the
document in the headers? This problem only occurs on 6 pages of a 263 page
document.

I thought of trying to use different sections, but that makes things very
difficult with regard to the headers!

Any help would be appreciated.

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#### Robert M. Franz [RMF]

Hello trj
I am using a unicode font (Cardo) which supports Greek characters. However,
my publisher requires that I use TNR italics for the headers. TNR italics
(nor TNR for that matter) does not support the Greek font. So, when I have a
subheading that contains Greek text, it appears odd in the header because
Word inserts other fonts to come up with the letters TNR doesn't have.

I am no typographical expert -- but I would inquire with the publisher
again whether he's sure about mixing two serif fonts like Cardo and TNR.
IMHO you need a pretty solid argument to try this even when all works
well technically ...

That said, what version of OS and Office/Word are you using? The TNR on
my system (which surely came from either Vista or Office 2007) is a
Unicode font, and it does have a "Greek and Coptic" as well as "Greek
extended" subset. Can you give me an example of a character that you
don't find in TNR?

When I try to change the formatting of only the Greek words in the headers,
Word overrides my formatting because of the StyleRef fields. Is it possible
to stop Word from overriding my formatting on only a few pages of the
document in the headers? This problem only occurs on 6 pages of a 263 page
document.

I thought of trying to use different sections, but that makes things very
difficult with regard to the headers!

I don't see an easy workaround if you're stuck with those two fonts and
need to use a character in one that isn't included in the other (when

HTH
Robert

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#### Peter T. Daniels

I thought I replied to this when it was first posted.

I don't know what Cardo is, but are you sure its Greek is coded
according to the Unicode Greek range, and not according to either the
Symbol font range (which was what mathematicians used to be stuck with
for writing Greek letters, though it can't handle the Greek language),
or the Latin-1 range (with alpha for A, beta for B, etc.)? (The Symbol
font is not supported by Unicode and is perhaps the most frequent
source of difficulty in older mathematical documents.)

When you type in Cardo, do you switch your keyboard to Greek input, or
do you just change the font and type on your regular keyboard?

If you use the Greek keyboard, then you are inputting Unicode
characters, and TNR will show them perfectly (including "italic"
versions, which don't really exist for Greek).

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#### Suzanne S. Barnhill

You did reply, and a long thread developed, though I'm not sure the OP was
involved (it may have been discussion among would-be helpers).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

I thought I replied to this when it was first posted.

I don't know what Cardo is, but are you sure its Greek is coded
according to the Unicode Greek range, and not according to either the
Symbol font range (which was what mathematicians used to be stuck with
for writing Greek letters, though it can't handle the Greek language),
or the Latin-1 range (with alpha for A, beta for B, etc.)? (The Symbol
font is not supported by Unicode and is perhaps the most frequent
source of difficulty in older mathematical documents.)

When you type in Cardo, do you switch your keyboard to Greek input, or
do you just change the font and type on your regular keyboard?

If you use the Greek keyboard, then you are inputting Unicode
characters, and TNR will show them perfectly (including "italic"
versions, which don't really exist for Greek).

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#### Peter T. Daniels

And only two weeks ago ... I think you got to chatting about StyleRef
and all that, rather than fonts.

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#### Suzanne S. Barnhill

Right. The issue is that a StyleRef field can't be formatted in more than
one font, which the OP seemed to think would be needed, but we were trying
to figure out how to keep everything in a single font (perhaps by using TNR
for all of it).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

And only two weeks ago ... I think you got to chatting about StyleRef
and all that, rather than fonts.